Teddy Atlas

[holmcall]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

[holmcall]

It's pretty obvious from just hearing Teddy Atlas talk he knows his boxing.

No argument with that. He DOES have the passion.

[ElTerribleMorales]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial income

[holmcall]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial income

I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.

But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.

On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..

So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.

[ElTerribleMorales]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial income

I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.

But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.

On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..

So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.

i didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in poverty

[holmcall]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial income

I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.

But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.

On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..

So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.

i didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in poverty

You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.

Have a great night.

[ElTerribleMorales]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial income

I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.

But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.

On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..

So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.

i didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in poverty

You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.

Have a great night.

it's the same thing, it's been made clear that although Atlas' father was a doctor he did alot of his work for free, especially home visits, meaning the guy wasn't getting paid as well as you may think he was, so i fail to see the difference

[holmcall]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial income

I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.

But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.

On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..

So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.

i didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in poverty

You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.

Have a great night.

it's the same thing, it's been made clear that although Atlas' father was a doctor he did alot of his work for free, especially home visits, meaning the guy wasn't getting paid as well as you may think he was, so i fail to see the difference

Good God, give it a rest. I have given you my opinion. Take it or leave it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

For a guy whose dad was a Doctor, he makes it sem like he grew up in the gutter. Give me abreak here. He may well have been a spoiled little pratt when he was young. Staten Island is not exactly Bed-Sty or Newark. Also, that crap in his book about Sammy the Bull was bile-inducing garbage.

Could be he is a tough guy wannabe. But I do think he knows boxing and can break down a fight very well.

WTF! What would you know? It doesn't matter where you're from, if you rebel against that and you hang out in the gutter then you are in the gutter. He has 2 felonies on his record, his brother killed his grandmother in his own house, he has a GIANT scar on his face from being stabbed with a broken fucking bottle, I'd say he has gone through his fair share of shit.

Teddy isn't a fulltime trainer but he knows boxing really well and I really like him and there's a reason people hwo actually come across him in boxing always respect him. There is a method to his madness and he definitely knows what he is talking about.

Obviusly, I 'd know alot more than you. It does matter where you are from. WTF was he "rebellinhg" against? His old man's income as a doctot? His middle class upbrining? And f--k his scar and that broken bottle bullspily. I'd say he has gone through his fair share of self-induced bullshite.

his dad also did a lot of free work, so it's not like he was making tons of money, although i doubt that the family was broke, but it's pretty ridiculous to think that someone can't have a tough upbringing just because of their family's financial income

I disagree with all due respect. I have stated my opinion--and that's all it is--an opinion or viewpoint, but it's based on some degree of knowledge. To call it ridiculous means those who have an alternative view on Atlas,need to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's the way it should work.

But yes, it is possible to have a "tough upringing" despite financial comfort, but not very often to the point where you write a book about it and praise the likes of scumbag rat Sammy the Bull. Also, the thing about what he did to Tyson with the gun has taken on mythical stature. So has his scar which I am sure plastic surgery could remove. There is just too much tough guy stuff in his personna to convince me that he was and is a true tough guy. In my world, the real tough guys don't talk about it all the time.

On the other side of the ledger is the good stuff he has done for charities and for the way he worked with some of his lesser known fighters like The Shamrock Express and the Heat. That Teddy I respect. He also can be an inspirational speaker as he has for pro football teams..

So there is a balance here that I choose to look at. Again, he breaks down fights extremely well. He calls out a fighter's weakness very astutley, he is a solid trainer with documented success, and he has a true passion for boxing. That's why I watch FNF's.

i didn't mean only Atlas, i meant in general, it is pretty absurd and ignorant to think people can't have a tough upbringing despite not being in poverty

You have put new words in there. "tough upbringing despite not being in poverty" is diffrent from growing up as a doctor's son. I agree with your "new" statement, but not as it applys to Teddy.

Have a great night.

it's the same thing, it's been made clear that although Atlas' father was a doctor he did alot of his work for free, especially home visits, meaning the guy wasn't getting paid as well as you may think he was, so i fail to see the difference

Good God, give it a rest. I have given you my opinion. Take it or leave it.

i'm not the one getting worked up on it , seems that you're the one who can't take anyone elses opinion

[amat]

It's just holmcall you don't know the guy, yet Teddy is known by people who actually do know him that he's a bit crazy and will fight to the tooth and nail for his guys. Just saying there are things to criticize and things not to do, but he it just seems odd that you are criticizing him for his past and claiming he's fabricated it when that's really really doubtful. I don't get what plastic surgery covering up his scar means either.

[holmcall]

It's just holmcall you don't know the guy, yet Teddy is known by people who actually do know him that he's a bit crazy and will fight to the tooth and nail for his guys. Just saying there are things to criticize and things not to do, but he it just seems odd that you are criticizing him for his past and claiming he's fabricated it when that's really really doubtful. I don't get what plastic surgery covering up his scar means either.

Look, I am not accusing him of fabricating anything. Those are your words, not mine. All I am really trying to say here (and I obviously failed to do it) is that I think Teddy's a bit over the top with his tough guy persona. As for the scar, I think you know fully well what I mean. I have an ugly shrapnel scar on my right bicep that I could have fixed anytime I want to, but I won't because I like having it there. It allows me to tell people how I got it. BTW, I note that no one commented on his Sammy the Bulll bullshit. Now this is my last post because I am tired of trying to give abalnced viewpoint only to have it callled ignorant and absurd. I don't mind a good debate at all.That's what these forums are for. But I don't care for insults or flaming. Just not my styel. The thread asked for an opinion. I gave it. End of story.

[holmcall]

What do you guys really think of this guy?

Does he really deserve phrases such as a "great trainer"?

How many champions has he produce?

How much does he really know about boxing?

What do you guys think of the Moore Holyfield fight?

He is a solid trainer-- Not a A "GREAT" trainer. Steward aand Roach are "great" trainers.

One that I know about but maybe more. But he trained alot of very fine fighters.

More than most.

The Moore Holyfield was a case of great inspirational corner work as was the case of Moorer vs Botha, but not Moorer vs Foreman.

[generalbulldog]

It's just holmcall you don't know the guy, yet Teddy is known by people who actually do know him that he's a bit crazy and will fight to the tooth and nail for his guys. Just saying there are things to criticize and things not to do, but he it just seems odd that you are criticizing him for his past and claiming he's fabricated it when that's really really doubtful. I don't get what plastic surgery covering up his scar means either.

Look, I am not accusing him of fabricating anything. Those are your words, not mine. All I am really trying to say here (and I obviously failed to do it) is that I think Teddy's a bit over the top with his tough guy persona. As for the scar, I think you know fully well what I mean. I have an ugly shrapnel scar on my right bicep that I could have fixed anytime I want to, but I won't because I like having it there. It allows me to tell people how I got it. BTW, I note that no one commented on his Sammy the Bulll bullshit. Now this is my last post because I am tired of trying to give abalnced viewpoint only to have it callled ignorant and absurd. I don't mind a good debate at all.That's what these forums are for. But I don't care for insults or flaming. Just not my styel. The thread asked for an opinion. I gave it. End of story.

I agree, I also read the book too, Chris Nagel uploaded it here. Was Sammy the Bull the guy that threatened some comedian at the charity or whatever?

About Atlas I wouldn't say he had a tough upbringing, more like a rebellious kid that got in trouble. Atlas had a solid 2 parent home where his family's income was in the upper tax bracket. He just acted like a brat and ran with the wrong crowd because his dad didn't pay too much attention to him or whatever.

And I can see where some people won't feel sorry for this "tough" upbringing, I"m also 1 of them.

[amat]

Yea I don't get what you mind about the Sammy the Bull part. The comedian thing was funny, he was just a workout partner and then he trained his son who didn't have his heart into it and his comments weren't really jaded to much. I'm not flaming either just trying to dissect your opinion a bit. Maybe I confused what 'bullshyte' was it made me think you were saying that he was bullshitting like lying. Fair enough.

[Julius Rain]

What do you guys really think of this guy?

Does he really deserve phrases such as a "great trainer"?

How many champions has he produce?

How much does he really know about boxing?

What do you guys think of the Moore Holyfield fight?

He is a solid trainer-- Not a A "GREAT" trainer. Steward aand Roach are "great" trainers.

One that I know about but maybe more. But he trained alot of very fine fighters.

More than most.

The Moore Holyfield was a case of great inspirational corner work as was the case of Moorer vs Botha, but not Moorer vs Foreman.

Good post Holmcall.

This book of Teddy I have not read, I am not aware of who Sammy the Bull is.