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Call jesse jackson, jesus jackson whoever....such slander is illegal in this country. He knows marg was cheating ? Right after pac's riddiculous lawsuit, they should take up this stupid case as well...............anyhow the story is on fightnews. “I believe he knew,” WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao said today at the kickoff presser for his November 13 bout with Antonio Margarito, the rest on the site.
Just drumming up interest in a fight that's a bit of an anti-climax due to the Mayweather fight not happening. Nothing more, nothing less. Imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
He/Top Rank know what they are doing and he was definitely told to say that. Adds more publicity to a fight no one wanted to see.
I'm calling Al Sharton right now!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mar
YAWN. This fight is wrong on too many levels. No one wants to see it, and Margacheato shouldn't be getting the payday. This right here shows you why the UFC is taking over boxing's niche
not really, Sean Sherk was found to have used steroids, how was he punished? a suspension followed up with a title fight against BJ Penn :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I agree. It'll, maybe, sell the fight and if Pac hadn't mentioned it then it would have been the elephant in the room throughout the build up.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoJust drumming up interest in a fight that's a bit of an anti-climax due to the Mayweather fight not happening. Nothing more, nothing less. Imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Like Pac didn't know what was in the needles Freddie was sticking him with
They don't care about the morality. Arum knows the fight will reach 1M ppv buys.
Dunno why it would, Pacquiao is beating the guy who last seen on TV was getting destroyed by Shane Mosley, and then revealed for handwraps, and Mosley has already been beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
If anything this is gonna be a bigger waste of time then the Clottey fight. They will try to make Margarito's size and length a factor. And the build up to this fight has been as if they expect fans to forget Mosley wiped the floor with him.
this will only give margarito more determination to kick the little cross eyed midget's ass!
He had a bad night. It happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyDunno why it would, Pacquiao is beating the guy who last seen on TV was getting destroyed by Shane Mosley, and then revealed for handwraps, and Mosley has already been beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
If anything this is gonna be a bigger waste of time then the Clottey fight. They will try to make Margarito's size and length a factor. And the build up to this fight has been as if they expect fans to forget Mosley wiped the floor with him.
The only deteminaton he's got is to join the party...Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
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...and cash his paycheck.
Thats true, but to be fair, Penn kicked his sorry ass like a little kid ! He got what he deserved ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, Sean Sherk was found to have used steroids, how was he punished? a suspension followed up with a title fight against BJ Penn :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Paquiao really does make me fucking sick.
i want to see the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by koppas
yea but that's no different from what's going to happen to Margarito, only difference is that the UFC pays their fighters peanuts even in title fights (unless their high profile fighter, which Sherk isn't), and Margarito is gonna easily earn something in the 7 digits areaQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanThats true, but to be fair, Penn kicked his sorry ass like a little kid ! He got what he deserved ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, Sean Sherk was found to have used steroids, how was he punished? a suspension followed up with a title fight against BJ Penn :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea but that's no different from what's going to happen to Margarito, only difference is that the UFC pays their fighters peanuts even in title fights (unless their high profile fighter, which Sherk isn't), and Margarito is gonna easily earn something in the 7 digits areaQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanThats true, but to be fair, Penn kicked his sorry ass like a little kid ! He got what he deserved ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, Sean Sherk was found to have used steroids, how was he punished? a suspension followed up with a title fight against BJ Penn :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Yea, i agree with ya, unfortunately Margacheato will earn from this, but it will be relative to what he has always earned, same as the UFC fighters. Im just hoping he gets KTFO by Manny for the privilage of his purse.
Margarito wasn't earning anywhere close to what he's going to get against Pacquiao, this is going to be his biggest payday by quite a wide margin, that's what is so fucked up about the situation, the guy cheats in the worst way possible in a fight sport, gets a suspension, then rewarded with a career high payday, utter bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea but that's no different from what's going to happen to Margarito, only difference is that the UFC pays their fighters peanuts even in title fights (unless their high profile fighter, which Sherk isn't), and Margarito is gonna easily earn something in the 7 digits areaQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanThats true, but to be fair, Penn kicked his sorry ass like a little kid ! He got what he deserved ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really, Sean Sherk was found to have used steroids, how was he punished? a suspension followed up with a title fight against BJ Penn :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Yea, i agree with ya, unfortunately Margacheato will earn from this, but it will be relative to what he has always earned, same as the UFC fighters. Im just hoping he gets KTFO by Manny for the privilage of his purse.
He got you knocked up again ey?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Pacquiao or his dumb fuck fans CAN NOT take the moral high ground on any fighter or athlete. End of story.
Margarito does not deserve this pay day. He didn't look good in his last fight against a journeyman and Shane stopped him in the fight before. Not to mention, even giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I personally don't, he allows people on his team to wrap his hands with concrete. Moreover, has never said anything bad about Cepitillo. He just blames him. He should have come down a lot harder on him. Said it was bad for the sport and that he should be banned for life. It makes you wonder... If there is one person who doesn't deserve this fight, it's Margarito. The only reason Margarito is getting this fight is because he is a Top Rank fighter and the only well-known available Mexican fighter at or around that weight and Mexicans will buy the ppv and spend money on tickets in Texas. Berto and Bradley deserved it more, but they aren't Arum's fighters, and they aren't Mexican.
All that said, Margarito has a chance to spoil the Pac/Mayweather clash. He is much bigger than Pacquiao and has a much longer reach. He's coming in at a comfortable weight for him - he'll probably outweigh Manny by 15-20 pounds at the time of the fight. Plus, Manny is not a strong puncher at that weight. I can see Pacquiao not being able to keep Margarito off him for twelve rounds.
This is a the toughest test for Pac north of Super Featherweight. And Someone said this will be worse than the Clottey fight. NO WAY. Marg throws twice as many punches. Pac will get hit too, it's just a matter of what he can handle.
I still don't see Marg winning this in any way unless it's an earlier knockout. I say that, but Marg comes on pretty strong down the stretch in his fights.
I don't think it's a publicity stunt for him to say "he knew...". Is it not possible this is just what Pac thinks, and it's ONE person's opinion? I' am glad he stepped up and confronted the issue. But he doesn't care about the drama, as long as the playing field is equal.
I'm not upset about the matchup at all. I think it will be an action fight.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Margo is getting the fight because Arum promotes him. Last 2 pac fights Arum didn't have to split the profit. Pac can fight anyone right now and do good numbers.
i see margarito pressuring pacquiao like he's never been pressured before, and it's going to play into margarito's hands. so anyone who thinks this is a gimme fight for pacquiao is sadly mistaken to say the least. whether margarito deserves this fight nor now, it's a done deal so get over it. margarito served his one year suspension and deserves this fight because the state of texas has licensed him.
[QUOTE=milmascaras1;900328]i see margarito pressuring pacquiao like he's never been pressured before, and it's going to play into margarito's hands. so anyone who thinks this is a gimme fight for pacquiao is sadly mistaken to say the least. whether margarito deserves this fight nor now, it's a done deal so get over it. margarito served his one year suspension and deserves this fight because the state of texas has licensed him.[/QUOTE]
even not considering his questionable behavior, he is allowed to fight because Texas licensed him, but he doesn't deserve the fight. he lost to shane, was suspended for a year, and he looked garbage against a journeyman. and now he has the chance to fight the top fighter in the game? how does that make sense?
and to the wrapping scandal, margarito's story that he didn't know what his trainer was doing would have been lot more believeable if he had shown surprise and then anger toward the trainer. but, he didn't show any anger. and it seemed like he fired him only so he could continue his career. that doesn't show the proper respect for the sport at least not from an innocent man. he didn't ask the trainer if the trainer had done it in his past fights or anyting. he tried to sweep it under the rug. no remorse. .
Mil that's fine you feel that this fight is fine but I hope you never bother coming down hard on a fighter for picking and choosing opponents, especially ones who just don't deserve the chance. Margarito doesn't deserve the chance. This fight is a crime against the sport, the fact that he fought anywhere outside of California is terrible much less against the top fighter in the sport.
look, nobody knows if margarito was lying or not. WE WEREN'T THERE! and the reason margarito is getting this fight is because he sells tickets because of the large hispanic population in texas! boxing's a business so this fight was made. look, we can cry and stomp our feet all we want but the fact is this, margarito is going to fight pacquiao and has a great chance of beating pacquiao. if joshua clottey marked up pacquiao without throwing many punches, margarito is going to be an absolute nightmare for pacquiao. that's why pacquiao's fans are against this fight because margarito is a clear and present danger.
the only reason Margarito is selling tickets for this fight is due to the controversy of him being a cheat, people want to see him get his ass stomped, and well 9 times out of 10 that's whats gonna happen against Pacquiao, if Mosley who doesn't throw as much nor has the speed, movement, or stamina of Pacquiao was able to overwhelm and keep Margarito at bay and confused, well Pacquiao is going to have a field day, Clottey might throw one punch at a time yet even he has better speed than MargaritoQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
they're both cheating bastards. who gives a fuck.
It doesn't matter if Margarito sells tickets (he does btw, he is largely responsible for the biggest crowd in Staples history) nor does it matter if he knew or not. It also doesn't matter if Capitello was secretly putting the loaded pads on him, it's Margarito's responsibility. Ultimately the buck stops with him, there needs to be a sense of personal accountability. He doesn't need to go into the work he did with cancer patients when asked about the wraps. If he didn't know and that's the truth (doubtful but whatever), then say so and THEN be a man and say you were ultimately responsible. Only after that take the initiative to put the pressure on your trainer to find out if it had been done in the past. It really comes down to that, don't make people forget about. That's how a grown man should handle his tribulations, if he feels he is being persecuted then it's on him to explain himself adequately. We ALL know that he had those pads on versus Cotto and probably versus a host of other opponents. If not then you are being naiive.
Now you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
you know what gets me? it's all these cotto fans having fits, stomping their feet like little children, because margarito got his license to fight in the u.s.. i truly believe that they cannot accept the fact that margarito absolutely ruined an undefeated cotto and made him QUIT. i'm willing to bet that if cotto had beaten margarito, this margarito/pacquiao fight wouldn't be very much an issue to them. these are fans who cannot accept margarito destroying their fighter. simple as that!
Margarito should have been banned for life for what he did, no way he deserves this payday. Arum should be hung, drawn and quartered too.
I'm a Cotto fan (as I was a Margarito fan) but yeah if you think it is 'simple as that' then you are ridiculous. Did you read any of my post beside the Cotto part? That was the biggest win of his career, was just using it to illustrate a point. Honestly, I thought that on the night of the fight, it should have been canceled. I don't believe he should have been able to step in the ring and take any sort of money from fighting Mosley. So yeah, win or lose versus Cotto, I think everyone is owed an explanation. Just wondering, I'd like to know where I'm wrong beyond speculating that if he was had the pads on his hand 'without knowing' for a fight he was a 4/1 favorite in, how do we know the inverse, that he didn't have the pads in. Shouldn't he be going out of his way to clear his name?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
hahaha i was one of the original guys on here defending Margarito, but the facts don't lie, there is no way in hell that Margarito didn't know what was on his hands, and even if he didn't (which i really doubt) he SHOULD have, it's his responsibility to know damned well what is being put onto his hands, same thing goes for Mosley's weak excuse that he didn't know that he was taking steroids, if you don't take my word for it backtrack and look for the threads from when Margarito was first being accusedQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
it's obvious, he committed the worst crime that you can in ANY fight sport, he put the life/lives of his opponent/s in jeopardy and then just gets a slap on the wrist (the year ban) and then is rewarded with an undeserved title shot and career high payday
and milmascaras, i don't get why you defend him so much yet go on to bash and complain about another cheater in Rodel Mayol
compared to Margarito...Mayol looks like a saint...
Then you have to say that pacquioa has used steroids against all past opponants If not then you are being naiive not to mention hippocriticalQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
There is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNow you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I think this sums up why the person I'm most angry with is Pacquiao. I expected this from the likes of Arum, Koncz and Margarito, even Roach to an extent as he tends to look out for his fighter's interests and he obviously doesn't see Margarito as a threat. But, despite all the PED bollocks, I did believe that Manny would have the integrity to not give this guy a payday. This is the only time I'm really planning to discuss this fight, as I won't be buying it or staying up to watch it and I don't want to even give it my time to think about. It's just a joke that this bastard has lucked into such a big payday after what he tried against Shane.
If that's the case wouldn't he have stopped Williams? Unless you think he only started wrapping them that way after the Williams fight. But some people say he only beat Cintron twice. So why do these cement wraps knock some people out while not stop others? They say it's the reason he beat Cotto and Cintron twice but offer no reason as to why they didn't stop Williams. You'd think if he was using them as consistently as that he'd have been knocking everyone out or at least roughing up their faces badly wouldn't he? So why were they so potent in the fight's with Cotto and Cintron, yet completely docile against Williams and Clottey?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThere is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNow you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat