Sauerland appeal succesful Froch v Abraham now for the vacant WBC Belt

Does this make much of a difference now that it is not the Semi Final?

it adds something yeah

the fight has the potential to be fight of the year, the winner will deserve a world title

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it adds something yeah

the fight has the potential to be fight of the year, the winner will deserve a world title

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Yes I think you are right to be honest, I was pissed at first the WBC were giving the title to the Dirrell/Ward fight, as I thought the fact both semi final winners coming into the final would have a world title, but now not being semi's and the potential of Johnson getting into the semis bit different but deffo worthy of a world title this fight.

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it adds something yeah

the fight has the potential to be fight of the year, the winner will deserve a world title

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Yes I think you are right to be honest, I was pissed at first the WBC were giving the title to the Dirrell/Ward fight, as I thought the fact both semi final winners coming into the final would have a world title, but now not being semi's and the potential of Johnson getting into the semis bit different but deffo worthy of a world title this fight.

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originally i thought it was daft having johnson in and keeping green, but now ive thought about it it does keep the competition open for something different

ideally id like to see ward beat dirrell and johnson Ko green and froch beat abraham, ward, froch, abraham and johnson in the semis

i think theres a good chance too :)

fantastic news

froch has the right to fight for the very title he was robbed of against kessler, the only reason kess isnt fighting in this super6 anymore is because he realises how badly he fought against carl and completely overwhelmed on the night

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fantastic news

froch has the right to fight for the very title he was robbed of against kessler, the only reason kess isnt fighting in this super6 anymore is because he realises how badly he fought against carl and completely overwhelmed on the night

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some dudes might think your crazy dude but i think you have a point

he was soundly beaten in his first two fights and got away with it very luckily

he looked lost against froch for all but a couple of rounds, i thnk he realised his carear couldnt take another 3 fights at that level

It's good news in one way and that is i'm glad for Carl having his chance to get his title back, BUT IMO Ward is the SMW champ so really it's just another alphabet title until someone beats him.

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It's good news in one way and that is i'm glad for Carl having his chance to get his title back, BUT IMO Ward is the SMW champ so really it's just another alphabet title until someone beats him.

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int the WBC the big one tho?

and as ward has never won it doesnt that mean he isnt the main dude?

im not saying he isnt like im just saying

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It's good news in one way and that is i'm glad for Carl having his chance to get his title back, BUT IMO Ward is the SMW champ so really it's just another alphabet title until someone beats him.

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int the WBC the big one tho?

and as ward has never won it doesnt that mean he isnt the main dude?

im not saying he isnt like im just saying

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None of the belts are the "big one" anymore. If your going back to the original belts that the likes of Marciano, Robinson etc held it's the WBA, but to me now The Ring belts are the ones that really matter!

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Does this make much of a difference now that it is not the Semi Final?

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No issues with it really, it does seem a bit iffy that two fighters coming off losses get the shot rather then the two fighters coming off wins, but i guess it adds more that when the winners of these two fights face each other it will be for two belts. So from a business standpoint I understand it.

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It's good news in one way and that is i'm glad for Carl having his chance to get his title back, BUT IMO Ward is the SMW champ so really it's just another alphabet title until someone beats him.

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int the WBC the big one tho?

and as ward has never won it doesnt that mean he isnt the main dude?

im not saying he isnt like im just saying

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None of the belts are the "big one" anymore. If your going back to the original belts that the likes of Marciano, Robinson etc held it's the WBA, but to me now The Ring belts are the ones that really matter!

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naaa i dont agree with that

the ring belts are as stupid as some of the alphabet belts, just confuse matters even more, its just someone trying to fix something that isnt broken and braking it

as far as i am lead to believe (correct me if im wrong) the ordering of the belts go something like

WBC
WBA = IFB
WBO

none other matter

Good Frach can win a title again.

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It's good news in one way and that is i'm glad for Carl having his chance to get his title back, BUT IMO Ward is the SMW champ so really it's just another alphabet title until someone beats him.

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int the WBC the big one tho?

and as ward has never won it doesnt that mean he isnt the main dude?

im not saying he isnt like im just saying

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None of the belts are the "big one" anymore. If your going back to the original belts that the likes of Marciano, Robinson etc held it's the WBA, but to me now The Ring belts are the ones that really matter!

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naaa i dont agree with that

the ring belts are as stupid as some of the alphabet belts, just confuse matters even more, its just someone trying to fix something that isnt broken and braking it

as far as i am lead to believe (correct me if im wrong) the ordering of the belts go something like

WBC
WBA = IFB
WBO

none other matter

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Well the WBA, WBC and IBF to me are on a par. They all have greedy arseholes in charge and are corrupt as hell. But all 3 tend to be regarded as important as each other, but I quite often talk to the older boxing fans in my local and they still regard the WBA as the top one due to it being the first one and the one you can trace back to the old timers. I try to tell them I regard the Ring belt holder highest but they just say it's not a real belt.

As far as the WBO, they have come on in leaps and bounds but they are not one of the big ones really.

The alphabet's titles are all garbage now

WBA-intentionally has 3 titles in every division
WBC-the most openly fraudulent, with the most ridiculous president
IBF- probably the most integrity of the alphabets;however, they strip belts way too often
WBO- is like a mini WBC: they love interim titles

The Ring Magazine title is the only one where, the champion is usually regarded by the general public as THE CHAMPION. However, I must admit that I dont like the idea of the magazine being owned by a promotional company.

Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you know but i honestly think froch battered Kessler from pillar to post and should have won a wide decision, i cannot see how anyone could have kessler winning the fight never mind by the scores a couple of the judges had it

it is a bit worrying that that could happen again

but i also think that AA got nowhere near Dirrell and his performance against Taylor was good but was taylor really at the races? i think taylor looked jaded from his recent KO losses

how good is AA? who has he fought at middleweight, edison mirranda? an old howard eastman?

i think he will have to show some steel to come through the fight and (aside from taylor) i dont think he has been in with anyone anywhere near as good as froch (queue the froch haters)

a level playing field i would put my house on a froch UD

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you know but i honestly think froch battered Kessler from pillar to post and should have won a wide decision, i cannot see how anyone could have kessler winning the fight never mind by the scores a couple of the judges had it

it is a bit worrying that that could happen again

but i also think that AA got nowhere near Dirrell and his performance against Taylor was good but was taylor really at the races? i think taylor looked jaded from his recent KO losses

how good is AA? who has he fought at middleweight, edison mirranda? an old howard eastman?

i think he will have to show some steel to come through the fight and (aside from taylor) i dont think he has been in with anyone anywhere near as good as froch (queue the froch haters)

a level playing field i would put my house on a froch UD

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Like you say everyone is entitled to there opinion on the Kessler fight, now he did not beat him from piller to post, that's why Kessler was forcing th fight on the front foot for the whole 12 rounds :rolleyes:, surely if that as the case Froch would of stopped him taking the centre of the ring?

Anyway thats gone we move on, my problem with that fight was Froch got beat ( or if you want was in a close fight ) with a fighter who looked a shadow of his former self, Kessler looked old against Ward and just as bad against Froch when I say that I compare this to the Kessler we saw stand Andrade on his head and the one who was sharp against Calzaghe.

Froch pre Kessler I have him beating AA, now I lean towards AA. Froch looked a change fighter in there for me his usually great engine went missing in the middle rounds and in the later rounds was fighting with heart and a second wind.

I think the last two years might have caught up with Froch he has been in 4 back to back full 12 rounds with very very good opponents he is now 33 years old, I want Froch to win and he deffo has a chance but I do have my doubts which I hope are wrong.

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Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you know but i honestly think froch battered Kessler from pillar to post and should have won a wide decision, i cannot see how anyone could have kessler winning the fight never mind by the scores a couple of the judges had it

it is a bit worrying that that could happen again

but i also think that AA got nowhere near Dirrell and his performance against Taylor was good but was taylor really at the races? i think taylor looked jaded from his recent KO losses

how good is AA? who has he fought at middleweight, edison mirranda? an old howard eastman?

i think he will have to show some steel to come through the fight and (aside from taylor) i dont think he has been in with anyone anywhere near as good as froch (queue the froch haters)

a level playing field i would put my house on a froch UD

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Like you say everyone is entitled to there opinion on the Kessler fight, now he did not beat him from piller to post, that's why Kessler was forcing th fight on the front foot for the whole 12 rounds :rolleyes:, surely if that as the case Froch would of stopped him taking the centre of the ring?

Anyway thats gone we move on, my problem with that fight was Froch got beat ( or if you want was in a close fight ) with a fighter who looked a shadow of his former self, Kessler looked old against Ward and just as bad against Froch when I say that I compare this to the Kessler we saw stand Andrade on his head and the one who was sharp against Calzaghe.

Froch pre Kessler I have him beating AA, now I lean towards AA. Froch looked a change fighter in there for me his usually great engine went missing in the middle rounds and in the later rounds was fighting with heart and a second wind.

I think the last two years might have caught up with Froch he has been in 4 back to back full 12 rounds with very very good opponents he is now 33 years old, I want Froch to win and he deffo has a chance but I do have my doubts which I hope are wrong.

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see all people ever say is kes was forcing the fight, on the front foot, and on the front foot is all i can give him, but he hardly landed any punches, i dont think he lands a punch of any note till the 6th

yep 6, 7 and 8 are kesslers best rounds but 9, 10 and 11 froch wins clearly so i dont think he engine failed him

i think on a level playing field the worry for me is froch does take too many punches in some fights and AA seems to have a dig, especially late on

and putting my house on it was a bit over the top, it could well be frochs hardest fight so far

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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mate it wasnt close and there were no real close rounds either

kessler got beat up for 10 of the 12rounds and won a decision in his hometown, that tells you all you need to know

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you know but i honestly think froch battered Kessler from pillar to post and should have won a wide decision, i cannot see how anyone could have kessler winning the fight never mind by the scores a couple of the judges had it

it is a bit worrying that that could happen again

but i also think that AA got nowhere near Dirrell and his performance against Taylor was good but was taylor really at the races? i think taylor looked jaded from his recent KO losses

how good is AA? who has he fought at middleweight, edison mirranda? an old howard eastman?

i think he will have to show some steel to come through the fight and (aside from taylor) i dont think he has been in with anyone anywhere near as good as froch (queue the froch haters)

a level playing field i would put my house on a froch UD

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Like you say everyone is entitled to there opinion on the Kessler fight, now he did not beat him from piller to post, that's why Kessler was forcing th fight on the front foot for the whole 12 rounds :rolleyes:, surely if that as the case Froch would of stopped him taking the centre of the ring?

Anyway thats gone we move on, my problem with that fight was Froch got beat ( or if you want was in a close fight ) with a fighter who looked a shadow of his former self, Kessler looked old against Ward and just as bad against Froch when I say that I compare this to the Kessler we saw stand Andrade on his head and the one who was sharp against Calzaghe.

Froch pre Kessler I have him beating AA, now I lean towards AA. Froch looked a change fighter in there for me his usually great engine went missing in the middle rounds and in the later rounds was fighting with heart and a second wind.

I think the last two years might have caught up with Froch he has been in 4 back to back full 12 rounds with very very good opponents he is now 33 years old, I want Froch to win and he deffo has a chance but I do have my doubts which I hope are wrong.

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see all people ever say is kes was forcing the fight, on the front foot, and on the front foot is all i can give him, but he hardly landed any punches, i dont think he lands a punch of any note till the 6th

yep 6, 7 and 8 are kesslers best rounds but 9, 10 and 11 froch wins clearly so i dont think he engine failed him

i think on a level playing field the worry for me is froch does take too many punches in some fights and AA seems to have a dig, especially late on

and putting my house on it was a bit over the top, it could well be frochs hardest fight so far

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Punch stats say differently.

Kessler landed more punches and had the better percentage according to the stats.

Kessler - Total Thrown: 765, Total Connects: 147 (19%)
Froch - Total Thrown: 546, Total Connects: 98 (18%)

Kesslers accuracy in this fight is exactly my point, he is usually a pin point crisp puncher with great accuracy and in this fight he was slow and didn't land as much as he usually does and that against a guy in Froch whose defense is his jaw.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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mate it wasnt close and there were no real close rounds either

kessler got beat up for 10 of the 12rounds and won a decision in his hometown, that tells you all you need to know

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Come on mate do you really think I would take your opinion on a fight involving a Brit if I had not seen the fight. I have watched the fight now plenty scored it. Close could of gone either way imo, but I have no problem with Kessler winning it.

I mean Steve fucking Bunce who is more bias than you when it comes to British fighters you no the guy who calls Tyson Fury the white Larry Holmes had Kessler winning. ;)

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Maybe I am looking to deep into this, but does this worry any Froch fans? Sauerland again seems to be taking control of this promotion and while Fat Mick is probably at KFC.

The Kessler fight for me was fair enough close fight hard to judge, Kessler was pressing the action and him winning the close rounds was fair enough, but If Sauerland is having this much influence with the WBC ( I don't blame the guy, getting every advantage possible for his fighter ) I just fucking hope we don't see that bent fat ugly cunt as a judge Tilleman.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you know but i honestly think froch battered Kessler from pillar to post and should have won a wide decision, i cannot see how anyone could have kessler winning the fight never mind by the scores a couple of the judges had it

it is a bit worrying that that could happen again

but i also think that AA got nowhere near Dirrell and his performance against Taylor was good but was taylor really at the races? i think taylor looked jaded from his recent KO losses

how good is AA? who has he fought at middleweight, edison mirranda? an old howard eastman?

i think he will have to show some steel to come through the fight and (aside from taylor) i dont think he has been in with anyone anywhere near as good as froch (queue the froch haters)

a level playing field i would put my house on a froch UD

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Like you say everyone is entitled to there opinion on the Kessler fight, now he did not beat him from piller to post, that's why Kessler was forcing th fight on the front foot for the whole 12 rounds :rolleyes:, surely if that as the case Froch would of stopped him taking the centre of the ring?

Anyway thats gone we move on, my problem with that fight was Froch got beat ( or if you want was in a close fight ) with a fighter who looked a shadow of his former self, Kessler looked old against Ward and just as bad against Froch when I say that I compare this to the Kessler we saw stand Andrade on his head and the one who was sharp against Calzaghe.

Froch pre Kessler I have him beating AA, now I lean towards AA. Froch looked a change fighter in there for me his usually great engine went missing in the middle rounds and in the later rounds was fighting with heart and a second wind.

I think the last two years might have caught up with Froch he has been in 4 back to back full 12 rounds with very very good opponents he is now 33 years old, I want Froch to win and he deffo has a chance but I do have my doubts which I hope are wrong.

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see all people ever say is kes was forcing the fight, on the front foot, and on the front foot is all i can give him, but he hardly landed any punches, i dont think he lands a punch of any note till the 6th

yep 6, 7 and 8 are kesslers best rounds but 9, 10 and 11 froch wins clearly so i dont think he engine failed him

i think on a level playing field the worry for me is froch does take too many punches in some fights and AA seems to have a dig, especially late on

and putting my house on it was a bit over the top, it could well be frochs hardest fight so far

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Punch stats say differently.

Kessler landed more punches and had the better percentage according to the stats.

Kessler - Total Thrown: 765, Total Connects: 147 (19%)
Froch - Total Thrown: 546, Total Connects: 98 (18%)

Kesslers accuracy in this fight is exactly my point, he is usually a pin point crisp puncher with great accuracy and in this fight he was slow and didn't land as much as he usually does and that against a guy in Froch whose defense is his jaw.

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i am shocked at those stats, from what i can see they must be talking about any tap as a punch

Kessler - Total Thrown: 765, Total Connects: 147 (19%)
Froch - Total Thrown: 546, Total Connects: 98 (18%)


blatant bollocks right there

froch threw twice as many punches as kessler did, especially early doors

stats have obviously been created by someone dyslexic working for sauerland

i cant see it

but im gonna stop going on about it coz im bored of listening to myself

lets hope froch does a number on abraham and then wins the comp

and lets hope dirrell doesnt get to the semis, and then retires because of a rare cock desease

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i cant see it

but im gonna stop going on about it coz im bored of listening to myself

lets hope froch does a number on abraham and then wins the comp

and lets hope dirrell doesnt get to the semis, and then retires because of a rare cock desease

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haha, lol

ward-dirrell promises to be the worst fight of the year, froch-abraham will be a classic

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i cant see it

but im gonna stop going on about it coz im bored of listening to myself

lets hope froch does a number on abraham and then wins the comp

and lets hope dirrell doesnt get to the semis, and then retires because of a rare cock desease

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haha, lol

ward-dirrell promises to be the worst fight of the year, froch-abraham will be a classic

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i watched the ward green fight recently, a repeat on eurosport and it was utter crap

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i cant see it

but im gonna stop going on about it coz im bored of listening to myself

lets hope froch does a number on abraham and then wins the comp

and lets hope dirrell doesnt get to the semis, and then retires because of a rare cock desease

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haha, lol

ward-dirrell promises to be the worst fight of the year, froch-abraham will be a classic

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i watched the ward green fight recently, a repeat on eurosport and it was utter crap

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So did I and it is mainly Dirrell who makes it shite.

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i cant see it

but im gonna stop going on about it coz im bored of listening to myself

lets hope froch does a number on abraham and then wins the comp

and lets hope dirrell doesnt get to the semis, and then retires because of a rare cock desease

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haha, lol

ward-dirrell promises to be the worst fight of the year, froch-abraham will be a classic

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Now that I can agree with. I DO think Kessler won the fight vs Froch BUT Abraham Froch has to be the potential FOTY. I'm just a little worried for Froch though, how long can his chin keep holding out with the amount he takes? Arthur is a big puncher too.