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Thanks for posting this. dam thats a big weight difference. I cant wait to see it though.
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wait a minute, pacquiao asked for this weight so he's the only one to blame if he happens to lose!
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I'd be concern if he weigh-in more than that. 144ish is just about right. They're right on target. He'll prolly show up exactly 150 tomorrow.
Another case of SIZE vs SPEED.
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Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 28 KOs) weighed in at 144.6, 9.4lbs under the division limit, for Saturday’s highly anticipated PPV showdown against Antonio Margarito (38-6, 27 KOs), who scaled in at 150, which was the contract weight for the bout. Pacman will be going for a world title in a record eighth different weight division with the vacant WBC super welterweight title on the line.
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So how the hell is this a light middleweight fight if Pacquiao isnt even a full blown welterweight? So if for example, Bernard Hopkins wanted to challenge David Haye for the Wba heavyweight title, could he weigh in a 180lbs - and if he won, would he be considered a heavyweight champ. To me , Pacman should be obligated to weigh in , at the light middle weight boundaries
Who really cares about paper titles. This isn't even for the real LMW championship. Just a trinket.
And it has happen throughout boxing history where 1 fighter doesn't even meet the weight's class minimum limit.
Sugar Ray Robinson fought Joey Maxim for the LHW championship and he only weighed 157, not even a full MW.
Henry Armstrong fought for the WW title numerous times when he came in below the LW limit, Armstrong even fought for the MW title when he wasn't even a full blown WW years later against Ceferino Garcia.
And you know what? Who cares.
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I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.
I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?
I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.
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There is nothing wrong with Manny coming in under the limit. It's coming in over the limit that is the problem. My own issue is with catchweights. I just don't think they are neccessary and just detract from a fight. If you want it at JMW then have it at 154. If you still want to come in lighter then fair enough, but it's wrong to limit the other guy to a catchweight IMO.
I also think the whole being a champ in a million different divisions is a bit of a hoax too. Pac doesn't clean out divisions, always enforces catchweights and even then doesn't always fight the best in the division. He's a great fighter, but there is a degree of smoke and mirrors at play with all the headlines about it being for how many weight titles it now is.
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I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.
I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?
I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.
Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.
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It will be a joke if they make it for the light middleweight title when Pac isnt a light middleweight . He was closer to jnr welter.
If we ignore all the talk of divisional titles and look at the fight for what it is. Pac has given away weight to a guy who used to have a reputation for being a dangerous fighter. Could it play a part? Its only a few pounds. David Haye gave away 100lbs when he fought Valuev and that was an easy fight. 7 stone is significant. I only think the weight in this fight would be significant if both guys were on an equal playing field skillwise but thats not the case. Pac is in his prime whereas Marg got blown away by a washed up 38 year old a couple years ago. There can only be one winner but weve seen bigger upsets I suppose.
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Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 28 KOs) weighed in at 144.6, 9.4lbs under the division limit, for Saturday’s highly anticipated PPV showdown against Antonio Margarito (38-6, 27 KOs), who scaled in at 150, which was the contract weight for the bout. Pacman will be going for a world title in a record eighth different weight division with the vacant WBC super welterweight title on the line.
Boxing - Fightnews
So how the hell is this a light middleweight fight if Pacquiao isnt even a full blown welterweight? So if for example, Bernard Hopkins wanted to challenge David Haye for the Wba heavyweight title, could he weigh in a 180lbs - and if he won, would he be considered a heavyweight champ. To me , Pacman should be obligated to weigh in , at the light middle weight boundaries
The third Duran Leonard fight had both boxers weighing in at Middleweight even though they fought for the Super middleweight title.
And Leonard and Lalonde fought for the Light Heavyweight title even though they both weighed in under the Super Middleweight limit, which they also boxed for.
The more serious question about this fight should be "What did Margerito do to earn his high ranking with the WBC?"
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They said in the 24/7 that Manny had eased off on the strength training as he felt it slowed him down. I am not sure if I am inclined to believe that as it just might be another way of provoking Tony to come in and fight reckless, but honestly the guy knows no other way to fight.
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Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 28 KOs) weighed in at 144.6, 9.4lbs under the division limit, for Saturday’s highly anticipated PPV showdown against Antonio Margarito (38-6, 27 KOs), who scaled in at 150, which was the contract weight for the bout. Pacman will be going for a world title in a record eighth different weight division with the vacant WBC super welterweight title on the line.
Boxing - Fightnews
So how the hell is this a light middleweight fight if Pacquiao isnt even a full blown welterweight? So if for example, Bernard Hopkins wanted to challenge David Haye for the Wba heavyweight title, could he weigh in a 180lbs - and if he won, would he be considered a heavyweight champ. To me , Pacman should be obligated to weigh in , at the light middle weight boundaries
The third Duran Leonard fight had both boxers weighing in at Middleweight even though they fought for the Super middleweight title.
And Leonard and Lalonde fought for the Light Heavyweight title even though they both weighed in under the Super Middleweight limit, which they also boxed for.
The more serious question about this fight should be "
What did Margerito do to earn his high ranking with the WBC?"
Be under Bob Arum ...... maybe?
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and what did pacquiao do to earn his high ranking?
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My opinion is that by weighing 144 Pac is trying to maximize his speed, his most important asset against Margarito. Maybe Roach and Ariza have realized that weighing more than around 145 detracts from Pac's advantages in speed.
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and what did pacquiao do to earn his high ranking?
Be under Bob Arum !!!
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I've just watched the weigh in, Marg did not look weight drained in the slightest and looked in better shape than Manny. I wad very impressed with how well Conditioned Margarito looked.
The size difference was blatant as well. This is going to be a very difficult fight for Pac, I think Marg has trained harder for this fight than any in his life.
I might put a cheeky few quid on Pac getting stopped.
Yes Marg does look in great shape, this does appear to be dangerous.
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Yes Marg does look in great shape, this does appear to be dangerous.
I just think you cheat and then you have that advantage taken away from you then you're going to feel the effects of it in a negative way. Think about it something that used to be such a certainty like Margarito being able to stand and trade with anyone and his pressure melting the will of his opponent being turned into a question mark like can Tony still hit hard with regular gloves and wraps? Did he NEED those wraps? And Margarito WILL ask himself those questions it may not be the first time he hits Manny but he'll ask himself if he's truly good enough and IMO the answer will come back the same as it did vs Mosley, NO he's not.
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I personally am disgusted by catch weights. If you are fighting for 154 pound title...then don't limit your opponent to kill himself to try to come in at 150...it cheapens the whole thing. YES...the opponent ultimately agrees to the catch weight...but man up and fight people at the natural weight. Otherwise...i don't see how you fight for and call yourself a 154 pound titlist...when you fought someone at a 150 pound limit?!! I am not a Tony fan at all...he is a cheat, no question. But i hope he wins this fight. Roach and Pac need to have their bubble burst. It's not going to happen...but i am hoping for the upset.
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I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.
I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?
I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.
Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.
Well, the examples cited contradict your narrative, no? If Roach wants to drain Margarito, why let him weight in the night before at 150? Wouldn't it be better to fight at welter (147) and demand a weigh-in the day of the fight?
And why avoid Williams? He's bigger and therefore more susceptible to being drained. Make Williams come down to Welter (he's willing) and also demand a same-dayer (entirely justified requirement).
PacMan will be fighting a Margarito who's likely to weigh 160+ in the ring while Pac will be 146ish. That's pretty brave any way you cut it. Margarito's fought at 147 for all his big bouts. Now he gets 3lbs more of leeway.
Therefore Roach isn't really draining Margarito of energy, he's filling him up.
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Manju
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Manju
I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.
I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?
I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.
Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.
Well, the examples cited contradict your narrative, no? If Roach wants to drain Margarito, why let him weight in the night before at 150? Wouldn't it be better to fight at welter (147) and demand a weigh-in the day of the fight?
And why avoid Williams? He's bigger and therefore more susceptible to being drained. Make Williams come down to Welter (he's willing) and also demand a same-dayer (entirely justified requirement).
PacMan will be fighting a Margarito who's likely to weigh 160+ in the ring while Pac will be 146ish. That's pretty brave any way you cut it. Margarito's fought at 147 for all his big bouts. Now he gets 3lbs more of leeway.
Therefore Roach isn't really draining Margarito of energy, he's filling him up.
I agree, all this draining talks about pacman vs margarito is nonsense because margo is really used to fight at 147 limit. So being at 150lbs is really very very advantageous to him. People who likes to follow strict weight limits (which is just invented anyway by some so called experts) would argue but really anyway you see it, this 151-lb proposed day before fight limit is in Margarito's advantage.
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Manju
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Manju
I didn't know this was for JrMW Championship. That does make things more interesting though its diminished a tad by the fact that Margarito must make 150. Its not as bad as SRL demanding Lalonde fight at 1671bs only to turn around and claim the LHW title, but these weight demands are getting tedious.
I don't mind one fighter fighting below a divisional weight though. If they want to take the risk, so be it. Its hard to frame that as an advantage, speed notwithstanding. If the speed produced by low weight really cancels out the power and size advantages of a heavier boxer, then why have divisions at all?
I do wonder why Pac is willing to fight Margaito at JrMW but not Mosley or Williams at Welter? If he's willing to go all the way up to JrMW, why not just fight the biggest Welters out there? I know Williams is 6' 1" but Pac could just demand he weigh in on the day of the fight. That would be fairer, and probably more effective, than demanding a lowering of the divisional weight limit.
Guy this has been uncovered already. Roach likes to drain fighters just enough to give Manny the edge to win.
Well, the examples cited contradict your narrative, no? If Roach wants to drain Margarito, why let him weight in the night before at 150? Wouldn't it be better to fight at welter (147) and demand a weigh-in the day of the fight?
And why avoid Williams? He's bigger and therefore more susceptible to being drained. Make Williams come down to Welter (he's willing) and also demand a same-dayer (entirely justified requirement).
PacMan will be fighting a Margarito who's likely to weigh 160+ in the ring while Pac will be 146ish. That's pretty brave any way you cut it. Margarito's fought at 147 for all his big bouts. Now he gets 3lbs more of leeway.
Therefore Roach isn't really draining Margarito of energy, he's filling him up.
That's fair, but Marg was out for a year and possibly couldn't make 147 anymore. If its okay to fight him at 150 why not just allow him to weigh in at 154? They're both within the limit. Same as Roach was willing to face Cotto at 144 but wanted shane to go to 142. Same as facing oscar at 147 but not cotto. If he were to face PW it would be t something like 154 which would ask, why not face Marg at 154? Look man either face the guys at their optimal weight or stop with the bullshit. Those guys trying to make weight does more damage than pac coming in in top form.
