Froch-Abraham - Nobody gives a monkeys? Fact.

There is not one thread about this fight (apart from a joint venture) on this board.

In the week of Haye-Harrison there were a billion threads per day started. No-one in Britain, apart from the hardcore, even knows this fight is happening, but it says a lot when the hardcore themselves were more interested in the Haye-Harrison "event" :-\

For the record - Abraham wins by KO. Although Froch has a chance to bust him up early if he can get through the guard. Either way it should be a great fight.

Thoughts?

I think it's because everyone knows what to expect from the fight, it's gonna be a tear-up.

But that means people are less interested in great fights.

As you said, this looks a gauranteed tear-up, Haye-Harrison looked a guaranteed mismatch, yet Haye-Harrison had a billion times the attention on this forum. And this is a hardcore boxing forum. Just goes to shows....:-\

Yeah I agree, no real favorite in this fight, both guys can really bring it and I think this has a chance to be not only FOTY but could be one of the better fights we've seen in the last few years!!! I'm really looking forward to it.

Been looking forward to this one for a while now, expecting a war, fifty fifty fight for me, is Froch shop warn after Kessler n Pascal fights and can Abraham start fast enough and not just rely on a strong finish, can Carl take Arthurs best shots, does Arthur take Carls.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

But that means people are less interested in great fights.

As you said, this looks a gauranteed tear-up, Haye-Harrison looked a guaranteed mismatch, yet Haye-Harrison had a billion times the attention on this forum. And this is a hardcore boxing forum. Just goes to shows....:-\

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The amount of attention the Haye fight got was a massive joke for what it ended up being, I know what your saying man. I think Froch VS Abraham is more for hardcore fans than casual, it's not been in the media over here. It actually angers me that Froch gets no mention in the news, he's been fighting a string of top opposition but gets no credit or exposure for it, at least over here.

A combination of Froch's defense being his face and Abraham being able to hit incredibly hard makes me think Abraham gets the stoppage around round 7. Though Froch is more than capable of winning, especially if he can get through that guard regularly, or if he can get to the body often it could wear Abraham down

I am very interested in this fight and think it could be classic. Honestly, I cannot wait. We have a great weekend of boxing coming up.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

But that means people are less interested in great fights.

As you said, this looks a gauranteed tear-up, Haye-Harrison looked a guaranteed mismatch, yet Haye-Harrison had a billion times the attention on this forum. And this is a hardcore boxing forum. Just goes to shows....:-\

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The amount of attention the Haye fight got was a massive joke for what it ended up being, I know what your saying man. I think Froch VS Abraham is more for hardcore fans than casual, it's not been in the media over here. It actually angers me that Froch gets no mention in the news, he's been fighting a string of top opposition but gets no credit or exposure for it, at least over here.

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Yeah, and screw the goddamn media. They play it's part in getting a fight put on the map and when it comes to fights like this there is no attention. Harrison/Haye was a shit fight from the go and anyone with an ounce of sense saw it, so for it to be hyped up was a joke. This on the other hand is a top fight between two very good pros. We don't know the result, and yet the coverage for boxing suddenly vanishes.

It shows you that Brits are often a bit thick when it comes to their boxing. Anyone that knows boxing appreciates this fight for what it is.

It's being talked about on other boards. Froch is a good fighter and the guy has faced a lot of great opposition already. Maybe it's the way he's promoted that's the problem?

Anyways should be a good fight.

Abraham ko for me. 8th round.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

It's being talked about on other boards. Froch is a good fighter and the guy has faced a lot of great opposition already. Maybe it's the way he's promoted that's the problem?

Anyways should be a good fight.

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Froch gives the most brilliant interviews out of any British boxer. I don't understand why he isn't more talked about. Khan, Haye, Harrison? None of these people fight the fighters that Froch does nor gives an interview with the same level entertainment.

Honestly, I don't understand why those other muppets get more attention. Froch is the real deal, whereas they are all hype jobs and frauds. Why can't the focus be on something real for once?

Definitely with you in this motion Fenster.
I've known this fight was coming and for some reason I'm not even interested.
I'll watch it and it could well be a fantastic, but I'm just not anticipating it in any way.

I'm really looking forward to this fight, I hope Froch can pull it off. It should be an epic fight!

I thought it was next weekend until the threads appeared, but I also forget birthdays and things, so dates not my speciality.

For some reason I just begrudge Showtime. Don't know why.

Now you mention it, it is daft that I'll happily pay to watch Haye vs Harrison which I knew would be farcical, yet dislike Showtime enough to watch this on a stream.

He's just not very fashionable.

Don't really know why, he loves a brawl

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

It's being talked about on other boards. Froch is a good fighter and the guy has faced a lot of great opposition already. Maybe it's the way he's promoted that's the problem?

Anyways should be a good fight.

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Froch gives the most brilliant interviews out of any British boxer. I don't understand why he isn't more talked about. Khan, Haye, Harrison? None of these people fight the fighters that Froch does nor gives an interview with the same level entertainment.

Honestly, I don't understand why those other muppets get more attention. Froch is the real deal, whereas they are all hype jobs and frauds. Why can't the focus be on something real for once?

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Watching Froch is just too bizarre, what in the world is he thinking about in the ring?

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Originally Posted by miles

Froch gives the most brilliant interviews out of any British boxer. I don't understand why he isn't more talked about. Khan, Haye, Harrison? None of these people fight the fighters that Froch does nor gives an interview with the same level entertainment.

Honestly, I don't understand why those other muppets get more attention. Froch is the real deal, whereas they are all hype jobs and frauds. Why can't the focus be on something real for once?

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Mick Hennessy is completely inept and has messed it up terribly. I even read a while ago that for this fight Froch's brother was selling the tickets, and to get them you had to phone him on his mobile phone. Unsure how true this is, but either way the lack of exposure and gratification Froch has gotten is a joke. Many people could do a better job promoting a fight on twitter than Hennessy has done.
He may not be the best fighter out there or have the personality many others do, but he's faced quality opposition and had some great fights with a lot of controversy, excitement and drama. In reference to the main post, that's just the thing, everyone wanted to see Audley finally get put down and as the media and casual/non boxing fans had an eye on it it became more relevant, whereas from Froch there's little to no exposure and we all know to expect a great fight.

I'm expecting Froch on points or Abraham KO. Hard to predict as Froch is such a dodgy fighter :p, low hands but solid chin.
This fight then JMM Katsidis later on. Should be a great night.

I remember there being a lot of talk about this fight a while ago, but it does seem strange that no one is talking about it now that it is looming. Most people seem to think Abraham winning is a foregone conclusion, but I think Froch's workrate and power could win him the fight early. Abraham's just so goddamn lazy in the early rounds that if Froch can penetrate his guard while AA just stands there with him arms up, he could hurt him.

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Originally Posted by miles

Froch gives the most brilliant interviews out of any British boxer. I don't understand why he isn't more talked about. Khan, Haye, Harrison? None of these people fight the fighters that Froch does nor gives an interview with the same level entertainment.

Honestly, I don't understand why those other muppets get more attention. Froch is the real deal, whereas they are all hype jobs and frauds. Why can't the focus be on something real for once?

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Mick Hennessy is completely inept and has messed it up terribly. I even read a while ago that for this fight Froch's brother was selling the tickets, and to get them you had to phone him on his mobile phone. Unsure how true this is, but either way the lack of exposure and gratification Froch has gotten is a joke. Many people could do a better job promoting a fight on twitter than Hennessy has done.
He may not be the best fighter out there or have the personality many others do, but he's faced quality opposition and had some great fights with a lot of controversy, excitement and drama. In reference to the main post, that's just the thing, everyone wanted to see Audley finally get put down and as the media and casual/non boxing fans had an eye on it it became more relevant, whereas from Froch there's little to no exposure and we all know to expect a great fight.

I'm expecting Froch on points or Abraham KO. Hard to predict as Froch is such a dodgy fighter :p, low hands but solid chin.
This fight then JMM Katsidis later on. Should be a great night.

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Froch really should be a much higher-profile fighter. He'll fight anyone, he's almost always exciting, and he has power and is constantly looking for the KO. He should be huge.

And I still think he beat Kessler.

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Originally Posted by Dean Duke

Been looking forward to this one for a while now, expecting a war, fifty fifty fight for me, is Froch shop warn after Kessler n Pascal fights and can Abraham start fast enough and not just rely on a strong finish, can Carl take Arthurs best shots, does Arthur take Carls.

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The problem is Froch takes a shit load of shots everytime he fights a world class fighter, I mean I'm still amazed at how he won the fight against Taylor. But thats what makes this fight so special IMO, you've got Abraham who has great power as shown vs Taylor and he also has a good solid defence due to his quite long forearms. He reminds me of Winky Wright for this, he had the long forearms and it made his opponents struggle to hit him to head or body. This will make it hard for Carl to land often which to me he needs to do to break Abraham down.

On the other side of the coin you have Froch who despite his lack of true classy technical skill has a will to win like not many others in the game today. He has a good solid chin but even when that does crack (and it has been) his heart takes over and pushes him to move on and survive. This cannot be taught, it is something you either have or don't. The problem though for me is everybody has a limit to how much punishment they can take before their body starts wilting under pressure and I'm not sure now how much more Froch can take, his style is not one that makes for a long career at the top of boxing and I think Abraham might just be the one to exploit this fact. One thing I will say though is Carl has the power if he lands enough, I'm just not sure he will.

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Originally Posted by Dean Duke

Been looking forward to this one for a while now, expecting a war, fifty fifty fight for me, is Froch shop warn after Kessler n Pascal fights and can Abraham start fast enough and not just rely on a strong finish, can Carl take Arthurs best shots, does Arthur take Carls.

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The problem is Froch takes a shit load of shots everytime he fights a world class fighter, I mean I'm still amazed at how he won the fight against Taylor. But thats what makes this fight so special IMO, you've got Abraham who has great power as shown vs Taylor and he also has a good solid defence due to his quite long forearms. He reminds me of Winky Wright for this, he had the long forearms and it made his opponents struggle to hit him to head or body. This will make it hard for Carl to land often which to me he needs to do to break Abraham down.

On the other side of the coin you have Froch who despite his lack of true classy technical skill has a will to win like not many others in the game today. He has a good solid chin but even when that does crack (and it has been) his heart takes over and pushes him to move on and survive. This cannot be taught, it is something you either have or don't. The problem though for me is everybody has a limit to how much punishment they can take before their body starts wilting under pressure and I'm not sure now how much more Froch can take, his style is not one that makes for a long career at the top of boxing and I think Abraham might just be the one to exploit this fact. One thing I will say though is Carl has the power if he lands enough, I'm just not sure he will.

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I agree with you. Froch is almost guaranteed to take some heavy shots in every fight hes in, and AA has some serious one punch KO power. Dirrell got past AAs gaurd because he was switching up angles all the time and I do not think Froch will do that.

I think it's down to Froch not being a great self promoter maybe. There isn't anything about his personality that really resonates good or bad.

When you look at some of our more popular fighters, they had divisive or strong personalities, and people WANT to see them either win big or get smashed up.

Look at Amir Khan and Audley Harrison, both figures with a lot of hate. Ricky Hatton had his grating man of the people act that many people adored and he was a popular personality, as were Frank Bruno, Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank before them.

Joe Calzaghe meanwhile was never really a massive household name until he smashed up Jeff Lacy about 24 years into his world title reign. He didn't have the abrasive or controversial personality of the others to make him famous for a long long time.

Froch is like that. An ordinary white boy. Fighters need some colour, in every sense, to make people care about them one way or the other imo.

He will only get start to get a big name if he wins the Super Six.

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I think it's down to Froch not being a great self promoter maybe. There isn't anything about his personality that really resonates good or bad.

When you look at some of our more popular fighters, they had divisive or strong personalities, and people WANT to see them either win big or get smashed up.

Look at Amir Khan and Audley Harrison, both figures with a lot of hate. Ricky Hatton had his grating man of the people act that many people adored and he was a popular personality, as were Frank Bruno, Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank before them.

Joe Calzaghe meanwhile was never really a massive household name until he smashed up Jeff Lacy about 24 years into his world title reign. He didn't have the abrasive or controversial personality of the others to make him famous for a long long time.

Froch is like that. An ordinary white boy. Fighters need some colour, in every sense, to make people care about them one way or the other imo.

He will only get start to get a big name if he wins the Super Six.

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Needs color??? How many great fighters are out there right now that are white? not too many. In my opinion there needs to be more white fighters that are household names.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

There is not one thread about this fight (apart from a joint venture) on this board.

In the week of Haye-Harrison there were a billion threads per day started. No-one in Britain, apart from the hardcore, even knows this fight is happening, but it says a lot when the hardcore themselves were more interested in the Haye-Harrison "event" :-\

For the record - Abraham wins by KO. Although Froch has a chance to bust him up early if he can get through the guard. Either way it should be a great fight.

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I just posted up some channels that are showing it but the lack of TV exposure is shocking.

Gotta feel for Froch really... he's an honest fighter and genuine World Class.

He always comes to fight unlike some other fighters we could mention ;)

Abrahams power could give him real problems but remember Froch has a tough chin and has obvious physical advantages.

Can see this being a belter and once again the UK armchair fans will miss out on another great fight.

You'd have thought someone (Sky/ITV) would have got right behind him after the Pascal fight which was a great scrap.

I've always been shocked at how little respect Froch is given by some fans. It may be because they don't like him personally or whatever.

The man's fought Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, and now Abraham all back to back...then either Johnson or Ward in the next round.

How many fighters today have the balls to do that :cool:

Though I am not a huge Froch fan, you can't hate the guy that much, he fought some of the best available and gives normally a decent show in the ring. I simply think that he's matched with the wrong promoter. Thus said, I am fairly sure Abraham will get the win but it doesn't mean that Froch ain't a good boxer and a fierce warrior.

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Though I am not a huge Froch fan, you can't hate the guy that much, he fought some of the best available and gives normally a decent show in the ring. I simply think that he's matched with the wrong promoter. Thus said, I am fairly sure Abraham will get the win but it doesn't mean that Froch ain't a good boxer and a fierce warrior.

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Exactly, the guy is matched with the wrong promoter. It's a shame that the guy is not even a big star in his country. His resume blows away Haye and Khan when it comes to level of opposition. Froch is a guy that seems to willing to fight anyone out there.

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Though I am not a huge Froch fan, you can't hate the guy that much, he fought some of the best available and gives normally a decent show in the ring. I simply think that he's matched with the wrong promoter. Thus said, I am fairly sure Abraham will get the win but it doesn't mean that Froch ain't a good boxer and a fierce warrior.

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Exactly, the guy is matched with the wrong promoter. It's a shame that the guy is not even a big star in his country. His resume blows away Haye and Khan when it comes to level of opposition. Froch is a guy that seems to willing to fight anyone out there.

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Too right. He fights decent opposition fight in fight out and gives it his all every time. We can say he is just a bit too boring to be given any attention, but the truth is he interviews very well, and compared to that inbred Amir Khan, is as articulate as Oscar Wilde. He is extremely entertaining both inside and outside of the ring.

I don't think we can just blame the promoter with this, though it has played it's part. I really do think it is down to an ignorance on the part of people who 'follow' boxing and they are ignorant because the media has refused to take part. Froch has come up the hard way with no Olympic medals and so the media has simply not covered him in any great depth. They've missed the ball and never tried to play catch up, and like I say it is a travesty really. Froch should be much more well known.

You just have to look at the way the media covers music. Haye and Khan are the X factor muppets getting all the coverage because they were on the TV. Froch meanwhile is the edgy significant alternative artist that always produces interesting stuff, but the media ignores it. Which records sell? There you go.

its true there is a lack of interest

its a pitty because it has all the make up for a fantastic fight

who wins? abraham is over rated, couple of wins against mirranda, a win against taylor and a win against eastman by far his best, and most of his carear at middleweight, i think froch wins by KO

It's a shame he never got picked up by Sky, otherwise he could have been a big name here by now. I just picked up the December issue of Boxing Monthly today and there's no mention of this fight whatsoever. So I flicked through the last two issues, thinking it might just be because they'd already previewed it. No mention in either the October or November issues either. When such an even, interesting world title fight can't even get a mention in a boxing magazine it's a sad situation.

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Originally Posted by Cressa121

It's a shame he never got picked up by Sky, otherwise he could have been a big name here by now. I just picked up the December issue of Boxing Monthly today and there's no mention of this fight whatsoever. So I flicked through the last two issues, thinking it might just be because they'd already previewed it. No mention in either the October or November issues either. When such an even, interesting world title fight can't even get a mention in a boxing magazine it's a sad situation.

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What it means is what we already knew. The media is a setup.

Now what you should do is never buy that magazine again. You should tell all your friends too, and most importantly spread the news about the ineptness of that magazine far and wide on the internet.

If they do not have the decency to be an effective news provider then they suck. Tell everyone and hopefully they will go bankrupt.

In the meanwhile do what I do and tell the truth about each and every one of Khan's or Haye's future opponents. I exist for the sole reason of telling people what I believe is the truth. If everybody else did that, then we wouldn't have people defending crap like Harrison/Haye.

I hope Abraham wins. I hate Carl Froch. To see him get Ko'ed would make me happy..... Not that I'll see him get Ko'ed no one is televising the fight. Cuz no one cares. lol

I'm excited for it. Hook nose could pull off the upset. He is one tough bastard and he hits hard himself, tho Abraham is the more skilled of the two. And has the better defense.

Fights need promoting by the fighters themselves heavily, which is absolutely not what Froch does. Hence, the lack of any column inches in a paper.

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to this one. In the words of the imprisoned Charles Bronson, Hold On To Your Fuckin Fillings. I say this will be a war. Can't wait....

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I'm excited for it. Hook nose could pull off the upset. He is one tough bastard and he hits hard himself, tho Abraham is the more skilled of the two. And has the better defense.

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I have to disagree with Abraham being more skilled than Froch, but he does have the better defense. Which might decide the fight, as Froch doesn't have a very good defense, and AA is a guy who you need to show a good defense against, otherwise he'll be taking heads.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

I hope Abraham wins. I hate Carl Froch. To see him get Ko'ed would make me happy..... Not that I'll see him get Ko'ed no one is televising the fight. Cuz no one cares. lol

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my thoughts spot on mate cant stand him

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Originally Posted by Cressa121

It's a shame he never got picked up by Sky, otherwise he could have been a big name here by now. I just picked up the December issue of Boxing Monthly today and there's no mention of this fight whatsoever. So I flicked through the last two issues, thinking it might just be because they'd already previewed it. No mention in either the October or November issues either. When such an even, interesting world title fight can't even get a mention in a boxing magazine it's a sad situation.

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What it means is what we already knew. The media is a setup.

Now what you should do is never buy that magazine again. You should tell all your friends too, and most importantly spread the news about the ineptness of that magazine far and wide on the internet.

If they do not have the decency to be an effective news provider then they suck. Tell everyone and hopefully they will go bankrupt.

In the meanwhile do what I do and tell the truth about each and every one of Khan's or Haye's future opponents. I exist for the sole reason of telling people what I believe is the truth. If everybody else did that, then we wouldn't have people defending crap like Harrison/Haye.

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Funny post ;D

This fight was postponed from it's orignal Sept/Oct date, that's why it's probably not previewed in the December Boxing Monthly ;)

A Froch KO and Matt and One Direction getting voted off the x factor (in this weeks double eviction) would make it the perfect saturday night

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Originally Posted by Cressa121

It's a shame he never got picked up by Sky, otherwise he could have been a big name here by now. I just picked up the December issue of Boxing Monthly today and there's no mention of this fight whatsoever. So I flicked through the last two issues, thinking it might just be because they'd already previewed it. No mention in either the October or November issues either. When such an even, interesting world title fight can't even get a mention in a boxing magazine it's a sad situation.

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What it means is what we already knew. The media is a setup.

Now what you should do is never buy that magazine again. You should tell all your friends too, and most importantly spread the news about the ineptness of that magazine far and wide on the internet.

If they do not have the decency to be an effective news provider then they suck. Tell everyone and hopefully they will go bankrupt.

In the meanwhile do what I do and tell the truth about each and every one of Khan's or Haye's future opponents. I exist for the sole reason of telling people what I believe is the truth. If everybody else did that, then we wouldn't have people defending crap like Harrison/Haye.

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Funny post ;D

This fight was postponed from it's orignal Sept/Oct date, that's why it's probably not previewed in the December Boxing Monthly ;)

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One of my more earnest and philosophical moments. :p

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Originally Posted by Cressa121

It's a shame he never got picked up by Sky, otherwise he could have been a big name here by now. I just picked up the December issue of Boxing Monthly today and there's no mention of this fight whatsoever. So I flicked through the last two issues, thinking it might just be because they'd already previewed it. No mention in either the October or November issues either. When such an even, interesting world title fight can't even get a mention in a boxing magazine it's a sad situation.

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What it means is what we already knew. The media is a setup.

Now what you should do is never buy that magazine again. You should tell all your friends too, and most importantly spread the news about the ineptness of that magazine far and wide on the internet.

If they do not have the decency to be an effective news provider then they suck. Tell everyone and hopefully they will go bankrupt.

In the meanwhile do what I do and tell the truth about each and every one of Khan's or Haye's future opponents. I exist for the sole reason of telling people what I believe is the truth. If everybody else did that, then we wouldn't have people defending crap like Harrison/Haye.

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Funny post ;D

This fight was postponed from it's orignal Sept/Oct date, that's why it's probably not previewed in the December Boxing Monthly ;)

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Good point I never thought about the postponement when I flicked through the last few issues. I better look a bit further back then ;D