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It's not easy moving up in weight, and yet still finding an opponent that belongs two weight class below you but Nonito and his team managed it with aplomb this weekend.
Credit to his promotional team for finding an entertaining dwarf who even came in with a cape like a fighter from the South American midget wrestling league.
He seems to be on a crash course to destroy all of Snow White's pal's, can't be many of the seven left now.
Respect.
donaire needs to stop fighting these midgets! there is no question he has incredible skills. last night i was like "wow, this guy has it all", and he does, but he needs to step up to the plate and stop living off his upset win over darchinyan three years ago.
right now, i've got the montiel/donaire matchup a tossup. this is a true battle between the clash of the mini-titans.
Nonito is obviously sizeable, too quick and powerful for his current division. If he fails to fight Montiel or Darchinyan in early 2011, I think he should move up to 126. I think he can take on Chris John. I really do.
Bilbo,
I agree that beating Sidorenko still does not make Donaire worthy of his lofty position atop the Ring Magazine's p4p list, but I was impressed by the way he dispatched him. It was a complete and utter domination. It made me look forward to the fight with Montiel even more. I can't wait for that one. At this point, I believe Montiel may not be big enough.
What do Vic, Sidorenko, and Montiel all have in common? They're all under 5'5.
Nonito is 5'7" and I believe he already fought once as 122.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
For those who didn't see the fight in english...
TopRank edition
part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDT5gCx9TEA
part 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCugIiX3hQ
It's a bizarre thing how big Donaire manages to look against everyone. I reckon he must able to hover over the scales or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I agree bilbs, Nonito needs to stop fighting lesser oppenent. I too am getting tired of him not being in big fights. Hopefully Montiel is next so atleast he would be fighting somebody with a better resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Eventually I think Nonito will be a featherweight. Lots of option for him and he needs to gain the peoples respect by getting the big fights.
On the other hand, Bilbo, if you put aside his inflated ranking, his career is finally moving in the right direction. You should give him some respite if he beats Montiel in February.
if donaire were to beat montiel, which is possible, the one fight i'd like to see is abner mares/nonito donaire. i think this would be a barnburner.
He's picking a huge fight in which he wont be able to have it all his way and relaxe for the first time in many. I think Montiels height actually works for him accompinied with quick hands,left hook as Donaire comes in,punching down. Yeh he beats who he's supposed to and how he's supposed to Montiel aint no Vic with two left feet or some of these other lilliputians he's been fighting.
Everyone feels the same way. Most knowledgeable boxing fans already know Donaire possess the skills to be a p4p top 10 fighter, but he sorely lacks the competition. Anything less than a fight with Montiel and fans would be sorely disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I agree bilbs, Nonito needs to stop fighting lesser oppenent. I too am getting tired of him not being in big fights. Hopefully Montiel is next so atleast he would be fighting somebody with a better resume.
Eventually I think Nonito will be a featherweight. Lots of option for him and he needs to gain the peoples respect by getting the big fights.
Yes he looked very impressive beating his undersized, 34 year old opponent, who had been inactive and couldn't hurt him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yes Donaire. Way to go. And no Donaire. Beating Jorge Arce will not make you a Super Star and does not mean more than beat Montiel. Doesn't matter if there the same age. And who cares how he looks on the 18th. Jorge Arce is finished as a fighter. Stick to the Montiel fight. Stop trying to coward out yet again. (Donaire interviewed by Telemundo after the fight talking about if Montiel fight don't come about than he wants Jorge Arce)
What still can we ask for?
Sydorenko is a former titlist at Bantamweight with 6 defenses. If that is not a credible opponent prior to facing Montiel then who is worthy?
The Montiel Clash is already scheduled even before the Sydorenko fight took place.
Knowing Donaire's history, something will come up and there will be no fight with MOntiel. Donaire then continues to fight bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
No doubt. He's already stated he would be open to facing Jorge Arce if the Montiel fight don't come about.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogKnowing Donaire's history, something will come up and there will be no fight with MOntiel. Donaire then continues to fight bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Already looking for a way out
Is that really possible, Arce? Thats sick. If that happens someone should be arrested.
I just hope both fighters( Donairre and Montiel ) doesnt have any accidents or injuries.
Montiel has proven himself to be a warrior. Nonito has shown what he has to offer.
This is a great fight. I dont see why people needs to be pessimistic about this fight.
No one is pessimistic if the fight happens. What quite a few people are pessimistic about is that when Doniare is about to fight some good opposition mysterious things happen and the fight isn't made.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
And I have a feeling it will be the same and he won't fight Montiel because of something.
His last great win was against Darchinyan and that was 3 1/2 years ago.
My thoughts exactly. Montiel has proven he's more than ready to back his big talk when went into Japan and stopped it's great champion. All Donaire has done through out the years is pull out of big fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogNo one is pessimistic if the fight happens. What quite a few people are pessimistic about is that when Doniare is about to fight some good opposition mysterious things happen and the fight isn't made.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
And I have a feeling it will be the same and he won't fight Montiel because of something.
His last great win was against Darchinyan and that was 3 1/2 years ago.
there is no doubt nonito donaire has the skills to be a truly great fighter but since his upset win vs. darchinyan, he's been one of the most protected fighters in boxing. i mean, the guy continues to fight opponents much smaller than him it isn't even funny anymore. he needs to man up or shut the hell up. also, i find it very comical and outrageous when he beat manuel vargas, a jr. flyweight much smaller than him, he ran across the ring jumping with joy as if he just beat a great fighter.
The big fighta lined up for Donairre were the Japanese champions who are not interested in meeting Donairre because they dont recognize the IBF. No mystery in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Im not aware of these mysterious things that had happened. Please educate me.
I just hope that no fighter will have anymore vehicular accidents.
Found it quite hilarious that he refused to give up his IBF title and travel to Japan. But had no problem giving it up to face the 13-3 Rafael Concepcion.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langThe big fighta lined up for Donairre were the Japanese champions who are not interested in meeting Donairre because they dont recognize the IBF. No mystery in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Im not aware of these mysterious things that had happened. Please educate me.
I just hope that no fighter will have anymore vehicular accidents.
NOt only that but the money is quite good from Japan fighting there. I forgot where I read it, but Montiel got something like 500k for fighting Hasegawa and this is a 118 pound fight. You ain't getting that kind of money fighting in the US on HBO or Showtime for the lower weights that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFound it quite hilarious that he refused to give up his IBF title and travel to Japan. But had no problem giving it up to face the 13-3 Rafael Concepcion.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langThe big fighta lined up for Donairre were the Japanese champions who are not interested in meeting Donairre because they dont recognize the IBF. No mystery in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Im not aware of these mysterious things that had happened. Please educate me.
I just hope that no fighter will have anymore vehicular accidents.
So in trying to keep the useless IBF trinket Donaire also cost himself lucrative paydays and being able to get in with good competition.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Maybe you missed something or you're completely unaware when these things were taking place.
Nonito Donairre's Team was the one who offered the fight to the two Japanese champions thinking of unifying Flyweight . And the Japanese straight up told them that they wont fight him. I dont think the situation is hard to analyze mate.
Of course the Japanese would refuse it. The JBC doesn't recognize the IBF or WBO. So according to them it's not a unification match. And does it really matter about these meaningless trinkets? It's the fight itself that's important.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langLOLQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Maybe you missed something or you're completely unaware when these things were taking place.
Nonito Donairre's Team was the one who offered the fight to the two Japanese champions thinking of unifying Flyweight . And the Japanese straight up told them that they wont fight him. I dont think the situation is hard to analyze mate.
Either way you want to spin it, Donaire only has himself to blame for not fighting any good opposition in the last 3 1/2 years after beating Darchinyan.
Just watched, he ain't fighting Montiel in February. Something will come up from Donaire's side.
If having a dispute with your promoter is considered a fault then yes its his fault. IBF Belt or not the Japanese aint fighting Donairre they made it very clear thats a solid duck from the JapsQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
We dont have forum points e-money to bet on here so i think i'll just say it will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Donaire is too geeky to be p4p. :ears:
Donaire and Montiel opted out of the Showtime tournament because the pay to fight eachother made it worth it. I'm confident they'll make this fight. The best boxers at that weight are all in the tournament (Mares, Agbecko, Yonnhy, Vic) so there really aren't that many good options besides eachother.
if Donaire/Montiel happens i'll be ecstatic, i've been calling for this fight for a long time, and well me and PSL already agreed to a bet on the fight if it was to happen, but honestly i wouldn't hold my breathe, i think Donaire is happy fighting smaller guys and racking up easy wins for good pay than actually having meaningful fights, if the fight doesn't happen we know that Montiel isn't the one to blame
Yep. 3 months sig bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Looks like it's going to be on Feb. Donaire insists Montiel easy to hit . Donaire said he won’t stay away from the gym too long and will work extra hard for his showdown with Montiel in February.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2YSivZB7lo&feature=channel
February 19!
fuck that biatch donaire's wife, she's trying to say montiel might make excuses to fight nonito. is she stupid or what? who in the fuck traveled to japan and KO'd hasegawa, while donaire has been fighting midgets for the last 3 years? this ugly hoe must be high on something.
at boxingscene.com, there is an article about montiel saying he hopes donaire doesn't back out of their february fight because he's been trying to fight donaire for the last three years and everytime, donaire backs out, like he usually does.
Still
As i understand it, People in this thread are talking about how the fighters might back out of the fight? :p
The Fight is a done deal and is scheduled for February, Some of the people here might learn more if knowledgeable people would discuss the fight and not speculations on fighters canceling or backing out. ;)
BTW
Donairre's chin is untested as Vic failed to land his money left on him (or any other fighter). If Montiel can land his bread and butter left hook its possible that Donairre gets kayoed like Hasegawa but Feather fisted Z Gorres pretty much outboxes Montiel in the first half of their match. I think Nonito does better and either gets a UD or a KO late.
If Donaire Destroys Montiel are they going to give him credit?
If Donaire backs out you gonna make excuses for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
pavlik,
credit for what? winning a fight? of course we're going to give him his props but even if donaire does beat montiel, he'll probably revert to fighting used up midgets again. the bantamweight division has some really good fighters like abner mares, agbeko, yonnhy perez, anselmo moreno, koki kameda, and even vic darchinyan. let him beat some of these cats then we can call him fantastic.
definitely not, i for one noticed he's fighting midgets:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf Donaire backs out you gonna make excuses for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Guess who already signed the contract?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf Donaire backs out you gonna make excuses for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
If Montiel backs out, and there are signs that he will as was the issue in the past, numb skulls will find a way to blame it on Donaire regardless of documentation nor legit publication to state otherwise, I can even see them go as far as make it look like it is Nonito who had problems summoning courage to make the fight.
The silver lining to this is.....we have a short supply of these slugs, and their low number will never pose a problem in contaminating sane and healthy discussions here!
That said, I really hope this fight happens and that these two men settle once and for all who the superior one really is and who really is only on a "pretend mode".
Stay tuned then for February 19, 2011!
kanan,
pretend mode? whether montiel loses this fight or not, he's a proven champion in three weight divisions. his resume is much superior to donaire's. just look at their records and see who has fought the better competition! :rolleyes:
Dont we have a bet for this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf Donaire backs out you gonna make excuses for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik