Pacquiao-Mosley done deal

I honestly think this is the most competitive fight Manny will have fought since Marquez, and I am really hoping I can get tickets to this fight. I really think Mosley can make this a pretty competitive fight stylewise, and if not then Manny cements himself as the best guy in sport in my eyes, but I can't see that happening with everything Mosley brings to the table. He hits harder, he has a great chin, he is the most mobile opponent Manny has fought p4p ever, not to mention the fastest. Also Manny likes to trade, and he doesn't shut an opponent's offense down the way FLoyd does. I think Mosley will truly put Manny to the test, and this is the first fight I can't say manny should win for sure in a long time.

Regardless of the styles both guys bring to the table, the public (ESPECIALLY the posters on this forum) will see Shane's last two performances and think this is a pointless fight. Personally, I wanted to see him and Marquez fight for a third time but there are very few challenges left for Manny besides the obvious, Mayweather.

Shane will have to outsmart Manny. He's gotta be fast on his feet to win. He'll have to hurt Manny in early rounds.

Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

Also, what's your source that this is a "done deal"?

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Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

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Baed on what we have seen in the last two fights, I would have to agree and I am a Mosley fan. I am getting tired of Manny fighting guys who are coming off of lacklustre/downright awful/devastating knockout loss performances.

I'm not into Berto, but it wouldn't hurt to see Manny at least in there with fighters on the up and are not fading at the back end of their careers. Heck, stick him in there with Bradley at 140. That's a fight.

But another old man who hasn't shown all that much in recent times. Sure way to test the best fighter on the planet.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

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Baed on what we have seen in the last two fights, I would have to agree and I am a Mosley fan. I am getting tired of Manny fighting guys who are coming off of lacklustre/downright awful/devastating knockout loss performances.

I'm not into Berto, but it wouldn't hurt to see Manny at least in there with fighters on the up and are not fading at the back end of their careers. Heck, stick him in there with Bradley at 140. That's a fight.

But another old man who hasn't shown all that much in recent times. Sure way to test the best fighter on the planet.

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Mosley looked stellar against Margarito, but gassed after three rounds with Mayweather, got caught doing a rinse and repeat a looked old against Mora, and looked like he was getting outboxed by Mayorga, be interesting to see how the scorecards would have looked if he went to a neutral corner (per the rules)

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

Also, what's your source that this is a "done deal"?

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Shane Mosley has agreed to fight Manny Pacquiao in May - ESPN

It's already on ESPN.com

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

Also, what's your source that this is a "done deal"?

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Shane Mosley has agreed to fight Manny Pacquiao in May - ESPN

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Ah well, I'm sure I'll buy it anyway. Don't anyone fool yourself though (Taeth) this will be an absolute blowout.

Fightnews just caught up.
http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/pacq...ley-done-70964

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Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

Also, what's your source that this is a "done deal"?

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Shane Mosley has agreed to fight Manny Pacquiao in May - ESPN

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Ah well, I'm sure I'll buy it anyway. Don't anyone fool yourself though (Taeth) this will be an absolute blowout.

Fightnews just caught up.
Boxing - Pacquiao-Mosley is on for May 7

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I fear for Shane's life, I really do. The only other time I felt that way was when Holyfield fought Tyson the 1st time, but in this case I don't think Shane is going to shock the world.

The face to face HBO interview will probably go something like this:

Mosley to Roach: Manny has never been in with someone as strong and fast as me, how are you guys going to counter that?

Roach to Mosley: I saw your last 2 fights.


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Mosley has a shot. Aging athletes lose consistency but can often turn back the clock. Without PBF's strict PED-enforcement regiment, he could always find a mothers little helper too. Lets face it, PEDs are ubiquitous in sports and Mosely's been caught once, so speculation is fair game.

A bit of a lose lose for PacMan though. He continuous to fight boxers who PBF already dismantled. He does it in more spectacular fashion but at the end of the day he's fighting guys that look considerably less formidable than they did pre-PBF.

Indeed, Mosely has taken quite a fall...going from a 1b-4-lber, the WW no one wanted a piece of, the man who dismantled Margorita, to over the hill.

JMM desreved a 3rd fight. Pac gave up chance to clear up his one blemish.

This is going to be a horrible fight. We seen what Floyd's speed did to Mosley, he was hesitating to throw punches, and never had any answer for the speed. Now Mosley is going to fight a guy with the same speed, and he's aged even more. As usaul, we will hear from Arum and the boys how great Mosley is, and how much of a warrior he is in the ring. Not buying this ppv.

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Mosley has a shot. Aging athletes lose consistency but can often turn back the clock. Without PBF's strict PED-enforcement regiment, he could always find a mothers little helper too. Lets face it, PEDs are ubiquitous in sports and Mosely's been caught once, so speculation is fair game.

A bit of a lose lose for PacMan though. He continuous to fight boxers who PBF already dismantled. He does it in more spectacular fashion but at the end of the day he's fighting guys that look considerably less formidable than they did pre-PBF.

Indeed, Mosely has taken quite a fall...going from a 1b-4-lber, the WW no one wanted a piece of, the man who dismantled Margorita, to over the hill.

JMM desreved a 3rd fight. Pac gave up chance to clear up his one blemish.

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I disagree. A fighter turning back the clock after 40 is the exception rather than the norm and more so against the PFP number one fighter in the world. Sure Mosley has a chance, but I think it is now a slim one. I will be hoping and praying that he puts up a good showing or even shocks the world, but like GB I worry about Mosley. I don't want to see an old legend go out with a pounding. He seems to lack stamina and output and isn't the sharpest defensively. Pac is going to be turning the buzzsaw on him. Suggesting that he take illegal supplements is no way to validate the fight either.

A Marquez fight would have been better, but I see no way to justify Marquez fighting him at 147. Regardless, we now have the fight we have been given. :-\

This was a no brainer in the making with HBO and GBP at forefront. Mayweather has painted himself into corner and once again the division is passing him by. Seems these two just take turns fighting each others left overs ???

Style wise. I seriously give Mosley a clean punchers chance. Manny can be drawn in and while much was made of Tonys size, Mosley is there as well having been 154 although in thicker fashion. Speed and long boxing kills Mosley but he's planted, retains hand speed and compared to Margarito, Clottey and crew...he can crack far more to get Mannys attention. He can dig ribs too and if Tony bothers Manny for a minute...Mosley will too. Hell...I like this fight, all possibility's considered.

A shocking fight, Shane Mosely is a has been and this is just going to be used to keep Manny ticking over untill Mayweather gets his act together.

Terrible fight. Mosley is shot to bits. I wasn't enthusiastic about a 3rd JMM fight, but it would have been way better than this shit.

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Regardless of the styles both guys bring to the table, the public (ESPECIALLY the posters on this forum) will see Shane's last two performances and think this is a pointless fight. Personally, I wanted to see him and Marquez fight for a third time but there are very few challenges left for Manny besides the obvious, Mayweather.

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What do you mean by that? Mosley hasn't looked impressive in several years and he was godawful against a mediocre opponent in his last fight. I've become a huge Pacquiao fan over the last couple of years, but I'm very unhappy with this fight.

I really don't buy it Taeth... This would have been a great clash of styles if Mosley were a good five years younger, sure. Look past the fact that Margarito had a perfect style for Mosley to exploit, and the guy has looked like an elite fighter for ONE round against Mayweather in the last several years, otherwise being visibly worse in every fight(also barring the Margarito fight, I grant you). It would be a huge upset if Mosley were to pull this off, he'd need to completely turn back the clock.

This fight is good for boxing in the sense that, we can stop suggesting who he should fight. And we should stop thinking of when and or ever is Pacman ever going to fight Mayweather.

Now instead of going back and forth on how this fight outcome is going to be, I can think of more possible fights that don't involve Pacman.

1. If Bradley defeat Alexander . . .
Bradley vs JMM or
Bradley vs Berto
2. If Alexander defeat Bradley
Alexander vs Khan
3. Berto vs Alvarez
Berto vs Clottey
4. Cotto vs Cintron
Cotto vs Williams
Cotto vs Vanes
5. K9 vs Williams
K9 vs Angulo
6. JMM vs Soto
vs Berto
7. Jcc Jr vs Williams
8. Martinez vs (they all scared)



O, by the way, did Mosley look shot or was in, with a great Mayweather and a track star in Mora?
Naz is licking at his chops right now to defeat Roach and Manny. The gameplan is in the works. One more question. By signing this fight with 6 months to go, is it possible Manny is hoping Mosley will over train like he said he did with the Mayweather fight?

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Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

Also, what's your source that this is a "done deal"?

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Pacquiao has proven he's the best? How? Almost everyone in boxing thinks Mayweather beats Pacquiao in a fight. That would mean Mayweather is the better fighter.

People are talking about the fact that Margarito had a perfect style for Mosley to look good agianst, well Pacquiao's last 6 opponents have been picked to make him look good. He has strategically fought guys that have stood there and allowed him to throw huge combinations ring circles around them.

That's why I am really surprised by them taking Mosley, especially after Margarito was able to hurt Manny to the body and actually made Pacquiao feel quite beat up physically after the fight. Mosley is way faster than Margarito or anyone Manny has foughten lately, and he won't be weight drained like De La Hoya, he has a way better chin than Cotto and Hatton. He's stronger, faster, and can punch harder than anyone Pacquiao has faced. Also he's way more mobile than Manny recent opponents. THis is going to be a really tough fight for him, especially how Mosley goes to the body.

Manny might win most of the rounds, but he is going to get hit a lot and very hard. An upset could happen here. Whereas I didn't think it was really possible before.

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Shane doesn't have a chance here. Let's be honest. And Pacquiao has already proven he's the best in the sport, not in a hypothetical way like Mayweather, but in a very real way.

Also, what's your source that this is a "done deal"?

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Pacquiao has proven he's the best? How? Almost everyone in boxing thinks Mayweather beats Pacquiao in a fight. That would mean Mayweather is the better fighter.

People are talking about the fact that Margarito had a perfect style for Mosley to look good agianst, well Pacquiao's last 6 opponents have been picked to make him look good. He has strategically fought guys that have stood there and allowed him to throw huge combinations ring circles around them.

That's why I am really surprised by them taking Mosley, especially after Margarito was able to hurt Manny to the body and actually made Pacquiao feel quite beat up physically after the fight. Mosley is way faster than Margarito or anyone Manny has foughten lately, and he won't be weight drained like De La Hoya, he has a way better chin than Cotto and Hatton. He's stronger, faster, and can punch harder than anyone Pacquiao has faced. Also he's way more mobile than Manny recent opponents. THis is going to be a really tough fight for him, especially how Mosley goes to the body.

Manny might win most of the rounds, but he is going to get hit a lot and very hard. An upset could happen here. Whereas I didn't think it was really possible before.

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A fighter can look old in a blink of an eye. Is Mosley a sterner test than Margerito...of course...Tony is a one dimensional bum. But Shane has looked his age in his recent fights. I just have an issue with Pac/Roach going after an aging former champ instead of taking on much more competitive/compelling fights. Especially considering that the last few Pac opponents where either past it or where tailor made for his style (or both). This will be another case of Manny beating an over matched opponent (in this case because of age) and all of us having to hear how it's another example of why he is such a great fighter. I, for one, will not be buying into the hype of this fight.

I know and it's stupid to think Manny is either afraid/scared or 2nd guessing himself to face someone he's beaten on paper twice...

But I have to say this is a really interesting choice...
This choice for me tells me he's more interested in other things and not what makes most boxing sense.

and I have to note that this has me a bit puzzled and I quote;

"... Pacquiao chose the bout because Mosley is the most accomplished and famous boxer in the field of candidates, which included Juan Manuel Marquez and welterweight champion Andre Berto..."

If Pac genuinely feels that, I can respect his opinion however as I said previously your only as good as your last performance.
SSM is coming off a draw where he looked horrible and rocking PBF in the 2nd rd that is it...
SSM has been more in the spotlight and is def. more famous but if that is what Pac is basing his future opponents on then here's the line up.
After SSM there's B-Hop at 175 and then the winner of Haye-Wladdy. As a farwell Holyfield is still around and we all know how "famous" he is.

If Pac had been fed the oppostion I'd to a certain extent would understand but to read that he chose the opponent I gotta say it's a bit disappointing.

Mosely isnt in his prime thats for sure, but I'm not gonna say shot yet. I mean if he got the nod against Mora(which most think he won) would people be so hard on him? He did look flat against Mayweather, but thats Mayweather. Dont forget he had Floyd in some serious trouble in the second but let em off the hook. I'd say that was one very few times you can say Floyd was rocked.

What will the catchweight be then?:rolleyes:

Roach will already have an idea of how many pounds to ask for to hurt Shane

Surely this is just a gimme/keeping busy type of fight? A big name fight to keep the $$$'s rolling in??

I think half the problem with anyone Manny faces is that it will always be a disappointment until he faces PBF. I too wanted him to settle the score with Marquez but let's be honest, a blown up 147lb 37 year old Marquez has less of a chance than Mosley. Mosley may be old but at least he's still quick and can dig, it can still be competitive. Berto is a non starter purely down to marketing so Shane makes good sense financially.

The fight will be at welter weight limit of 147lbs, and pacman will most likely put his WBO belt on the line.

Im just wondering if Mosley ever suffered a knock down before. ANyone?

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The fight will be at welter weight limit of 147lbs, and pacman will most likely put his WBO belt on the line.

Im just wondering if Mosley ever suffered a knock down before. ANyone?

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Vernon Forrest knocked him down.

Cotto - Mayorga

Pacquiao - Mosley

2011 is shaping up to be the best year in boxing history.

I'm glad the Marquez fight didn't get made. This fight seems to be the plausable massacre.

I think for the first 4 rounds and some hairy moments with Mosley's power it will be the most competitive fight for Pac outside Mayweather and where he still makes his giant wad of cash....

After that though, Mosley is going to look super super super old, and everyone is going to say, yet another past it fighter who's tailor made for Pac... fight someone young, hungry, and dangerous...

If Mayweather outworks Mosley, Pac steamrolls him, complete with intestines getting squeezed out the ass...

Sorry, as the good old Roach says, "Mosley should retire" well, that's still correct no matter what he says now to hype this "entree" fight. Which is all it is..

Seriously, I spend all the time leading up to Pac fights defending the bastard against someone like Milmascara,,, then he pulls sh!t like this and I wonder why I wasted so much breath...

Great, he beats Mosley, who looks dangerous at certain times, and utterly useless the rest... Does nothing for me past that.. I love watching Pac fight, but this would be about 10th on my list of fights I really want him to fight...

Mosley is a shot fighter, this is a money making fight. End of discussion.

Pac has gone down in my estimations from taking this fight, very similar to Haye fighting Audley IMO.

Not ideal fight would have preferred Berto as a better challenger.

Really didn't want this fight happening. Shane dangerous for first round and then thats it - he will be on end of a mauling and will be pulled out around the 9th.

Have to admit I would be disappointed with any match up thats not Pac v Floyd though :-\

If Pacman can KO Mosley, no matter how old Mosley looked in his past 2 fights, that will be impressive. Only Forrest got him off his feet. I can't remember Shane even being hurt on shaky legs. Mayorga was throwing bombs. DLH was hitting him with his famous left hook. Winky snap his neck for 24 rounds. And Mayweather step on the gas against him. None could finish him!!! Again, If Manny can do so, that will be IMPRESSIVE.

On the other hand, when Shane is losing with no hope, he tend to get frustrated and load up with all power punches. If he do that, Manny can take him apart. Just like Mayweather did. But that Mayweather fight will help him win this fight. He have to stay disipline and stick to the game plan.

Mosley by KO by round 9

I think people that feel the division is passing Mayweather by, I think its more or less standing still. Like I said Pacquiao taking all these fights isn't going to be good for him as he won't be as fresh when the Mayweather fight does happen.

But worse could happen, what if Mayweather fights the Bradley vs Alexander winner? or fights Andre Berto next? Then it makes Pacquiao look bad. And if Mayweather doesn't stay active he remains fresh while Pacquiao takes these gimmie fights and even takes punishment in them he doesn't have to, and going through training camps. If by the time they fight Mayweather has had two training camps and two fights and Mayweather has had 4 in the same amount of time nearing the end of his career and focus on politics, it's not going to be good for him. Pacquiao should just tell Arum to stop with the "im the guy Mayweather's ducking" fights to try to make extra money because when the fight actually happens he'll be at a disadvantage mentally and physically.

I can't wait to see the media hype this fight as competitive. The two highlights they'll show is Mosley rocking Mayweather and stopping Margarito, over and over again. And who can wait for the 24/7?

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Regardless of the styles both guys bring to the table, the public (ESPECIALLY the posters on this forum) will see Shane's last two performances and think this is a pointless fight. Personally, I wanted to see him and Marquez fight for a third time but there are very few challenges left for Manny besides the obvious, Mayweather.

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What do you mean by that? Mosley hasn't looked impressive in several years and he was godawful against a mediocre opponent in his last fight. I've become a huge Pacquiao fan over the last couple of years, but I'm very unhappy with this fight.

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I mean that the posters on this forum are going to hate that this fight got made and talk more trash about Pacquiao.

After seeing Hopkins vs Pascal, (and it was a good fight) I'm sure there are a lot of people seeing Pacquiao vs Mosley a better fight than Pac vs ____, since his fight with Marquez. I would expect this fight to sell out very quickly.

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Surely this is just a gimme/keeping busy type of fight? A big name fight to keep the $$$'s rolling in??

I think half the problem with anyone Manny faces is that it will always be a disappointment until he faces PBF. I too wanted him to settle the score with Marquez but let's be honest, a blown up 147lb 37 year old Marquez has less of a chance than Mosley. Mosley may be old but at least he's still quick and can dig, it can still be competitive. Berto is a non starter purely down to marketing so Shane makes good sense financially.

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Dan Rafael of ESPN and Kevin Iole of Yahoo are upset about this fight:

Manny Pacquiao-Shane Mosley a bad fight for boxing - ESPN

Arum's spin on Pacquiao-Mosley is pure garbage - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

I found it interesting what Arum said after the Mosley-Mora fight:

"What I've read is not very supportive to make any Mosley-Pacquiao bout. Look, he's going to be 40 and he's in the lighter weights where speed is so important. He's on a show with guys -- example, 20-year-old Saul Canelo Alvarez -- old enough to be his son."

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Bob Arum says Shane Mosley not likely to land Manny Pacquiao showdown - SI.com - Boxing

I agree with Taeth that Mosley will be competitive, but the difference in our opinions is that I believe this level of competition won't last very long. I see Pacquiao pulling away after four rounds and maybe stopping Mosley late by TKO. The only hope for a different outcome is that Shane just has trouble with defensive counter-punchers and that was why his performances against PBF and Mora were disappointing, but he was impressive against Margarito. Pacquiao isn't a counter-puncher so maybe Shane won't have as much trouble with him.

I see Mosely stationary on his feet,... just jittering his hands, not throwing a lot of punches.