Yup, 36 year old Randall Bailey.
No mention of it on here.
Looks like it's happening.
And he wonders why he has no fans and no one big name wants to fight him...
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Yup, 36 year old Randall Bailey.
No mention of it on here.
Looks like it's happening.
And he wonders why he has no fans and no one big name wants to fight him...
I love Randall Bailey, what a great guy, just hope he doesn't go picking Berto up and dropping him over the top turnbuckle like Macho Man Randy Savage.
I guess aside from Collazo, Berto ain't faced anybody with much of a beat. Randall can beat for sure I think, just been outclassed when at the top, and I dont think Berto is "Top" personally.
You know. I believe Bailey is one of the purest straight right hand hitters in the business. Concussive. This may be more about Bertos Psyche then adding huge name but all respects if he walks thru and beats him sound...and with speed and Baileys rickety wooden legs and stamina he should. BUT...if Bailey lands his best right and Berto takes it....I'll trip over my jaw in amazement :-X
Thought that poor guy Bailey went Jimmy fly Snooka on in last match would get rematch though ???
Dangerous and exciting fight, it would be nice to see Bailey drop Berto just to see how Andre reacts to adversity.
I like that idea Lyle. I'd say if Bailey lands well, like Spicoli said, I'd say that Berto will taste canvas.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Its the straight thru the guard I think he's most susceptible too. I wouldn't be totally shocked if this one didn't happen. Never knowQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianI like that idea Lyle. I'd say if Bailey lands well, like Spicoli said, I'd say that Berto will taste canvas.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Bailey will most likely get jumped on and over whelmed in the first round but here's hopin he lands that sledge hammer right hand !
Come on Bailey !
Hardest pure right hand puncher in boxing today.
Bailey does tend to get on his bike when he's hurt and he's been hurt easily but hopefully for entertainment's sake he can draw first blood.
Can't stand Berto. Have you seen his latest twitter postings at Sugar Shane?
It's kind of hilarious he's like Kid Thunder or something, just really embarrassing in his comments whilst Shane always responds with humour.
He posted a picture of Shane Mosley up with grey hair and beard looking really ancient saying 'I'm going to take a dump whilst looking at pictures of this old man'.
Shane just replied, 'by the time you fight anyone of note we'll all be old' :D
I hope Shane does well against Manny and then closes out his career by knocking this douche out.
Thats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Berto will demolish him. Stupid fight.
Bailey always has the punchers chance I guess but seriously, how has Berto gone from signing to fight Sugar Shane at the start of 2010, to fighting Freddy Hernandez at the back end of the year and now a possible fight against an old 140 fighter? I thought when he fought Collazo he was on the right path, and the Quintana fight was a decent opponent, but ffs, it is surely time to fight at a different level than this.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Brilliant from Mosley, Berto is the Us version of Kell Brook things he is someone special without actually doing much.
I agree with that, although i do think Berto would beat Brook fairly easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Brilliant from Mosley, Berto is the Us version of Kell Brook things he is someone special without actually doing much.
Name some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Collazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratName some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Joshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCollazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratName some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Berto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratJoshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCollazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratName some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.
Good points. You convinced me. Clottey may make the most sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBerto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratJoshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCollazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratName some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.
Bailey not dangerous?!?!? He can KO damn near anyone with that right cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBerto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratJoshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCollazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratName some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.
He has not beat anyone of note add to that he is an old man, hey Urango beat him this is not the sort of fight that Berto should be taking but there is not much else out there to be honest,Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBailey not dangerous?!?!? He can KO damn near anyone with that right cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBerto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratJoshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCollazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratName some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.
Understood but if Bailey connects with a similar right that he put Urango down with I HIGHLY doubt Berto gets up from that.....ergo he's plenty dangerous. Though Andre will probably jump on him early and get him running.
I see Andre Berto out-maneuvering but never out-classing Bailey throughout the fight. Andre tends to get "bully" as he begins to think his opponent has lost any chance against him and has underestimated old boxers in the past. I think Berto will get knocked down if the fight goes into the later rounds by a counter-right hand from Bailey. But unlike his fight with Cosme Rivera (who schooled Bert with a textbook, perfectly executed counter hook), Berto won't get up/ will get put down again/ won't be the same for the rest of the fight.
Pretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yeah - it would be kinda cold not to cut Berto some slack on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
ESPN.com's division-by-division rankings - ESPN
7. Selcuk Aydin (20-0)
Turkey's Aydin is Berto's mandatory challenger, and the fight is way overdue. If the sides don't make a deal, there will be a purse bid Jan. 11 -- although Berto could give up the belt and pursue a different fight.
Next: TBA.
This is ESPN'S Dan Rafael's scoop in his ranking at Welter, I respect Dan's info and credentials and is preety in the Know how , thats why I posted this info.
The only other named fighter that wasnt busy seemed to be Joshua Clottey, and since someone must have told him he couldnt punch Manny Pac more than 10 times in their fight or he would have been fired by Top Rank ;D So I think they see the Hobo who got hired off the highway to work as the Cavaliers announcer more worthy of a title shot than Clottey
I'd say kook not because he opted out but rather his running on at Mosley, a level he's not began to touch aside from yet to realized potential. Bit of an arm chair quarter back feel to me. Man knows tragedy as do we and others fighters, fair enough. But here I'm looking as a boxing fan before a humanitarian. Some fighters wait an entire career for a mega break out shot like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I bet they could still make the fight - I know Shane's getting old, but he's still a respectable challenge for Berto.
Losing half your family in a national tragedy or fighting Shane Mosley with an unclear mind where you could lose because of it and then your family still suffers and the effort is ungiven. I think him going to help was a better decision then trying not to let it bother him and fighting Shane because had he lost, he would have lost a lot more. Let's be honest, Berto has that fight whenever because he is a champion and his name is out there. Some fighters may wait an entire career for a break out shot like that, but they also aren't world champions with their names out there already. Berto was. So when it comes down to helping his family and the area through a national tragedy instead of fighting, I can't hold that against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'd say kook not because he opted out but rather his running on at Mosley, a level he's not began to touch aside from yet to realized potential. Bit of an arm chair quarter back feel to me. Man knows tragedy as do we and others fighters, fair enough. But here I'm looking as a boxing fan before a humanitarian. Some fighters wait an entire career for a mega break out shot like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
By the way he tweeted that he isn't fighting Bailey and that it is just a rumor.
The man put his conscious and personal responsibility ahead of his financial and career interest. That says something no matter your profession. All the power to him and his close ones involved were fortunate to have him as a man and family member.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyLosing half your family in a national tragedy or fighting Shane Mosley with an unclear mind where you could lose because of it and then your family still suffers and the effort is ungiven. I think him going to help was a better decision then trying not to let it bother him and fighting Shane because had he lost, he would have lost a lot more. Let's be honest, Berto has that fight whenever because he is a champion and his name is out there. Some fighters may wait an entire career for a break out shot like that, but they also aren't world champions with their names out there already. Berto was. So when it comes down to helping his family and the area through a national tragedy instead of fighting, I can't hold that against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI'd say kook not because he opted out but rather his running on at Mosley, a level he's not began to touch aside from yet to realized potential. Bit of an arm chair quarter back feel to me. Man knows tragedy as do we and others fighters, fair enough. But here I'm looking as a boxing fan before a humanitarian. Some fighters wait an entire career for a mega break out shot like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
By the way he tweeted that he isn't fighting Bailey and that it is just a rumor.
Thing is that same old man he didn't fight is set to have met the two top world premier fighters in this sport and frankly Berto is left in a career stasis lock...he's dormant right now and is in dire need of making his mark in a huge way. I don't think he's guaranteed anything at all. Certainly not others 'needing' him to call themselves champion. Clinging to a trinket and blowing out the likes of Freddy whateverhisnameis is worlds removed from kicking in the door and making an impression vs the best so others sit up and take note.
Clottey would be a good opponent for Berto. Clottey called him out before. I think after the Judah fight. And Berto can always try to beat Clottey worse then Pacman did.
My pick at this moment would be a very big 140lber in Ortiz. Ortiz came into the fight against Peterson weighting about 155-160. Although, I'm not sold on Ortiz, he has a star potential name and a good fan base.
Andre can only fight who is in front of him.. I heard people suggesting he fight 154 opponents. As a welterweight trinket holder I don't think it should be held against him if he dosent.
There is really no one out there at the moment.. Shane at this point in his career is just a guy living off his name and is an illusional threat to PAC. Just like if Berto beat him he would get 0 credit because he is old.
Clottey dosent deserve to be cleaning lady at Cowboys stadium let alone a 3rd straight title shot.. I was high on Clottey but he is the 147 version of Rocky Juarez.
I would agree with Colazzo but I believe he is on the back of a l
Milk carton. Even if he signed against Berto do you even think it would be competitive given the lack of activity and competition for
Colazzo?
Where is your source for this ?Quote:
Originally Posted by koppas
I read on The Ring online yesterday that Berto's next opponent is either the winner of Mike Jones vs. Jesus Soto Kariss OR a rematch with Collazo.
Is Selcuk Aydin Berto's mandatory? Anybody?
He is yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Berto would beat the crap out of bailey and do aydin even worse. Berto is no big world beater type of threat but he's good at what he does. He's lightning quick, pretty strong and had got the hug and maul game down pretty good.
Cintron and Clottey are better challenges than a 36 year old Bailey moving up in weight. Your Clottey point is the wrong angle. As fans we don't deserve to see another gimme Berto fight. Clottey would be a good yardstick to see where Berto stands because Clottey has been in with Pacquiao/Cotto/Margarito. Other than in his Pacquiao fight, he gave them all hell. And frankly, set aside the Pacquiao fight, and he isn't all that boring. His Cotto fight was entertaining as was his Margarito fight at least to an extent. It's better than Randal IMO. Cintron is the best option out there. If he was willing to go to 154 for a Cotto fight, why not Cintron?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
On the other hand, I hear your point. if he's a welterweight, then it makes sense for him to remain there. Still, unifying the titles at 147 makes more sense than fighting Bailey.
I disagree, the guy would have had 3 straight world title fights and the last quarter of the fight with Cotto and the entire bout with Pacquiao he did nothing.. He essentialy quits for those 2 fights.. So what, give him a 3rd straight title fight so Bero can fire 5-6 punch combos into his high guard all night:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratCintron and Clottey are better challenges than a 36 year old Bailey moving up in weight. Your Clottey point is the wrong angle. As fans we don't deserve to see another gimme Berto fight. Clottey would be a good yardstick to see where Berto stands because Clottey has been in with Pacquiao/Cotto/Margarito. Other than in his Pacquiao fight, he gave them all hell. And frankly, set aside the Pacquiao fight, and he isn't all that boring. His Cotto fight was entertaining as was his Margarito fight at least to an extent. It's better than Randal IMO. Cintron is the best option out there. If he was willing to go to 154 for a Cotto fight, why not Cintron?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
On the other hand, I hear your point. if he's a welterweight, then it makes sense for him to remain there. Still, unifying the titles at 147 makes more sense than fighting Bailey.
Good then all you guys will complain he picked a punching bag of an opponent and knew what the result was going to be all along because of his last 2 opponents:rolleyes:
There is a good reason Roach and Arum picked Clottey
A) Money stays in house
B) Clottey was a PERCEIVED risk without the chops to go for the kill
At least Bailey will punch and fight
He may have stamina issues or issues with fast fighters, but he's never been stopped, he has been in with tough opposition, and he has good defense. Clottey was in a very close fight with Cotto and Cotto at that time was a champion. That he took the last third of the fight off is irrelevant. Bottom line: I would give Berto more credit for beating Clottey or Cintron than Bailey. We can agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI disagree, the guy would have had 3 straight world title fights and the last quarter of the fight with Cotto and the entire bout with Pacquiao he did nothing.. He essentialy quits for those 2 fights.. So what, give him a 3rd straight title fight so Bero can fire 5-6 punch combos into his high guard all night:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratCintron and Clottey are better challenges than a 36 year old Bailey moving up in weight. Your Clottey point is the wrong angle. As fans we don't deserve to see another gimme Berto fight. Clottey would be a good yardstick to see where Berto stands because Clottey has been in with Pacquiao/Cotto/Margarito. Other than in his Pacquiao fight, he gave them all hell. And frankly, set aside the Pacquiao fight, and he isn't all that boring. His Cotto fight was entertaining as was his Margarito fight at least to an extent. It's better than Randal IMO. Cintron is the best option out there. If he was willing to go to 154 for a Cotto fight, why not Cintron?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
On the other hand, I hear your point. if he's a welterweight, then it makes sense for him to remain there. Still, unifying the titles at 147 makes more sense than fighting Bailey.
Good then all you guys will complain he picked a punching bag of an opponent and knew what the result was going to be all along because of his last 2 opponents:rolleyes:
There is a good reason Roach and Arum picked Clottey
A) Money stays in house
B) Clottey was a PERCEIVED risk without the chops to go for the kill
At least Bailey will punch and fight
I just believe it comes down to be realistic. What fighter has gotten 3 straight cracks at a title whilst crapping the bed in his previous 2 trys? Not to mention how much money should Clottey get paid in a fight pairing 2 guys that don't exactly fill seats? There isn't enough money in the pot. Bailey would come at a dented can price.
The irony In your statement is, he Has trouble with fast fighters.. Berto has arguably the fastest hands in the sport, which again validate my point of people would use that as an excuse to denigrate the outcome.