Andre Berto vs Randall Bailey

[bzkfn]

Bailey always has the punchers chance I guess but seriously, how has Berto gone from signing to fight Sugar Shane at the start of 2010, to fighting Freddy Hernandez at the back end of the year and now a possible fight against an old 140 fighter? I thought when he fought Collazo he was on the right path, and the Quintana fight was a decent opponent, but ffs, it is surely time to fight at a different level than this.

Name some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?

Collazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?

[Rantcatrat]

Bailey always has the punchers chance I guess but seriously, how has Berto gone from signing to fight Sugar Shane at the start of 2010, to fighting Freddy Hernandez at the back end of the year and now a possible fight against an old 140 fighter? I thought when he fought Collazo he was on the right path, and the Quintana fight was a decent opponent, but ffs, it is surely time to fight at a different level than this.

Name some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?

Collazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?

Joshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.

[bzkfn]

Bailey always has the punchers chance I guess but seriously, how has Berto gone from signing to fight Sugar Shane at the start of 2010, to fighting Freddy Hernandez at the back end of the year and now a possible fight against an old 140 fighter? I thought when he fought Collazo he was on the right path, and the Quintana fight was a decent opponent, but ffs, it is surely time to fight at a different level than this.

Name some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?

Collazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?

Joshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.

Berto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.

The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.

[Rantcatrat]

Bailey always has the punchers chance I guess but seriously, how has Berto gone from signing to fight Sugar Shane at the start of 2010, to fighting Freddy Hernandez at the back end of the year and now a possible fight against an old 140 fighter? I thought when he fought Collazo he was on the right path, and the Quintana fight was a decent opponent, but ffs, it is surely time to fight at a different level than this.

Name some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?

Collazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?

Joshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.

Berto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.

The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.

Good points. You convinced me. Clottey may make the most sense.

[El Kabong]

Bailey always has the punchers chance I guess but seriously, how has Berto gone from signing to fight Sugar Shane at the start of 2010, to fighting Freddy Hernandez at the back end of the year and now a possible fight against an old 140 fighter? I thought when he fought Collazo he was on the right path, and the Quintana fight was a decent opponent, but ffs, it is surely time to fight at a different level than this.

Name some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?

Collazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?

Joshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.

Berto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.

The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.

Bailey not dangerous?!?!? He can KO damn near anyone with that right cross.

[skel1983]

Bailey always has the punchers chance I guess but seriously, how has Berto gone from signing to fight Sugar Shane at the start of 2010, to fighting Freddy Hernandez at the back end of the year and now a possible fight against an old 140 fighter? I thought when he fought Collazo he was on the right path, and the Quintana fight was a decent opponent, but ffs, it is surely time to fight at a different level than this.

Name some better options. The main one I can think of is Kermit Cintron. Other than Cintron though?

Collazo rematch (most feel it was warranted), Joshua Clottey (The main one I'd like to see), Judah, Senchenko or Zaveck for unification purposes, Saul Alvarez, Mike Jones, Soto-Karrass, Aydin maybe?

Joshua Clottey moved up to 154 though, right? Judah is down at 140. Saul Alvarez isn't ready. Senchenko or Zaveck aren't bad calls, but no one here knows them. Mike Jones and Soto-Karrass and Aydin make some sense. I'm not sure Randal Baily is all that much worse than them though.

Berto made alot of noise saying he'd move up to 154 for Cotto, why not Clottey? I'd bet good money that if offered the fight at 147 Clottey would take it in a heartbeat and Cintron has been campaigning at 154 too. While I know Senchenko and Zavack are unknowns, unifying the division will make a bigger statement than beating Randall Bailey.

The reason I brough up the likes of Aydin & Mike Jones, is that both of them had been in negotiations with Berto in the last year. Both are dangerous risks. I'm not sure Bailey is that dangerous a risk.

Bailey not dangerous?!?!? He can KO damn near anyone with that right cross.

He has not beat anyone of note add to that he is an old man, hey Urango beat him this is not the sort of fight that Berto should be taking but there is not much else out there to be honest,

[El Kabong]

Understood but if Bailey connects with a similar right that he put Urango down with I HIGHLY doubt Berto gets up from that.....ergo he's plenty dangerous. Though Andre will probably jump on him early and get him running.

[JazzWolf]

I see Andre Berto out-maneuvering but never out-classing Bailey throughout the fight. Andre tends to get "bully" as he begins to think his opponent has lost any chance against him and has underestimated old boxers in the past. I think Berto will get knocked down if the fight goes into the later rounds by a counter-right hand from Bailey. But unlike his fight with Cosme Rivera (who schooled Bert with a textbook, perfectly executed counter hook), Berto won't get up/ will get put down again/ won't be the same for the rest of the fight.

[JT Rock]

Can't stand Berto. Have you seen his latest twitter postings at Sugar Shane?

It's kind of hilarious he's like Kid Thunder or something, just really embarrassing in his comments whilst Shane always responds with humour.

He posted a picture of Shane Mosley up with grey hair and beard looking really ancient saying 'I'm going to take a dump whilst looking at pictures of this old man'.

Shane just replied, 'by the time you fight anyone of note we'll all be old'
I hope Shane does well against Manny and then closes out his career by knocking this douche out.

Thats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.

Pretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..

[bcollins]

Can't stand Berto. Have you seen his latest twitter postings at Sugar Shane?

It's kind of hilarious he's like Kid Thunder or something, just really embarrassing in his comments whilst Shane always responds with humour.

He posted a picture of Shane Mosley up with grey hair and beard looking really ancient saying 'I'm going to take a dump whilst looking at pictures of this old man'.

Shane just replied, 'by the time you fight anyone of note we'll all be old'
I hope Shane does well against Manny and then closes out his career by knocking this douche out.

Thats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.

Pretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..

Yeah - it would be kinda cold not to cut Berto some slack on that one.

[JT Rock]

ESPN.com's division-by-division rankings - ESPN

7. Selcuk Aydin (20-0)

Turkey's Aydin is Berto's mandatory challenger, and the fight is way overdue. If the sides don't make a deal, there will be a purse bid Jan. 11 -- although Berto could give up the belt and pursue a different fight.
Next: TBA.

This is ESPN'S Dan Rafael's scoop in his ranking at Welter, I respect Dan's info and credentials and is preety in the Know how , thats why I posted this info.

The only other named fighter that wasnt busy seemed to be Joshua Clottey, and since someone must have told him he couldnt punch Manny Pac more than 10 times in their fight or he would have been fired by Top Rank So I think they see the Hobo who got hired off the highway to work as the Cavaliers announcer more worthy of a title shot than Clottey

[Spicoli]

Can't stand Berto. Have you seen his latest twitter postings at Sugar Shane?

It's kind of hilarious he's like Kid Thunder or something, just really embarrassing in his comments whilst Shane always responds with humour.

He posted a picture of Shane Mosley up with grey hair and beard looking really ancient saying 'I'm going to take a dump whilst looking at pictures of this old man'.

Shane just replied, 'by the time you fight anyone of note we'll all be old'
I hope Shane does well against Manny and then closes out his career by knocking this douche out.

Thats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.

Pretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..

I'd say kook not because he opted out but rather his running on at Mosley, a level he's not began to touch aside from yet to realized potential. Bit of an arm chair quarter back feel to me. Man knows tragedy as do we and others fighters, fair enough. But here I'm looking as a boxing fan before a humanitarian. Some fighters wait an entire career for a mega break out shot like that.

[bcollins]

I bet they could still make the fight - I know Shane's getting old, but he's still a respectable challenge for Berto.

[Majesty]

Can't stand Berto. Have you seen his latest twitter postings at Sugar Shane?

It's kind of hilarious he's like Kid Thunder or something, just really embarrassing in his comments whilst Shane always responds with humour.

He posted a picture of Shane Mosley up with grey hair and beard looking really ancient saying 'I'm going to take a dump whilst looking at pictures of this old man'.

Shane just replied, 'by the time you fight anyone of note we'll all be old'
I hope Shane does well against Manny and then closes out his career by knocking this douche out.

Thats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.

Pretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..

I'd say kook not because he opted out but rather his running on at Mosley, a level he's not began to touch aside from yet to realized potential. Bit of an arm chair quarter back feel to me. Man knows tragedy as do we and others fighters, fair enough. But here I'm looking as a boxing fan before a humanitarian. Some fighters wait an entire career for a mega break out shot like that.

Losing half your family in a national tragedy or fighting Shane Mosley with an unclear mind where you could lose because of it and then your family still suffers and the effort is ungiven. I think him going to help was a better decision then trying not to let it bother him and fighting Shane because had he lost, he would have lost a lot more. Let's be honest, Berto has that fight whenever because he is a champion and his name is out there. Some fighters may wait an entire career for a break out shot like that, but they also aren't world champions with their names out there already. Berto was. So when it comes down to helping his family and the area through a national tragedy instead of fighting, I can't hold that against him.

By the way he tweeted that he isn't fighting Bailey and that it is just a rumor.

[Spicoli]

Can't stand Berto. Have you seen his latest twitter postings at Sugar Shane?

It's kind of hilarious he's like Kid Thunder or something, just really embarrassing in his comments whilst Shane always responds with humour.

He posted a picture of Shane Mosley up with grey hair and beard looking really ancient saying 'I'm going to take a dump whilst looking at pictures of this old man'.

Shane just replied, 'by the time you fight anyone of note we'll all be old'
I hope Shane does well against Manny and then closes out his career by knocking this douche out.

Thats funny. Shanes to classy to call him on it but regardless of excuse, Berto needs to check himself considering he opted out of a made fight with Mosley. What a kook.

Pretty harsh seeing 1/4 to 1/2 of his family was wiped out in one of the most catastrophic natural disasters in modern mans history, and he help spear head relief efforts..

I'd say kook not because he opted out but rather his running on at Mosley, a level he's not began to touch aside from yet to realized potential. Bit of an arm chair quarter back feel to me. Man knows tragedy as do we and others fighters, fair enough. But here I'm looking as a boxing fan before a humanitarian. Some fighters wait an entire career for a mega break out shot like that.

Losing half your family in a national tragedy or fighting Shane Mosley with an unclear mind where you could lose because of it and then your family still suffers and the effort is ungiven. I think him going to help was a better decision then trying not to let it bother him and fighting Shane because had he lost, he would have lost a lot more. Let's be honest, Berto has that fight whenever because he is a champion and his name is out there. Some fighters may wait an entire career for a break out shot like that, but they also aren't world champions with their names out there already. Berto was. So when it comes down to helping his family and the area through a national tragedy instead of fighting, I can't hold that against him.

By the way he tweeted that he isn't fighting Bailey and that it is just a rumor.

The man put his conscious and personal responsibility ahead of his financial and career interest. That says something no matter your profession. All the power to him and his close ones involved were fortunate to have him as a man and family member.

Thing is that same old man he didn't fight is set to have met the two top world premier fighters in this sport and frankly Berto is left in a career stasis lock...he's dormant right now and is in dire need of making his mark in a huge way. I don't think he's guaranteed anything at all. Certainly not others 'needing' him to call themselves champion. Clinging to a trinket and blowing out the likes of Freddy whateverhisnameis is worlds removed from kicking in the door and making an impression vs the best so others sit up and take note.