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Why the heavyweight boxing scene is on life support?
Sure, Denis Boytsov and Robert Helenius have fine and undefeated records, but who have they fought? Fighting against the likes of Vinny Maddalone, Robert Hawkins, Mike Sheppard, Attila Levin (!), and a shot and half-blind Lamon Brewster—not to mention the other usual suspects and unknowns—does little to console me that the division has much of a future. And one week before Solis is dispatched, another so-called “Cuban sensation” by the name of Glendy Hernandez fights in Florida. Puleeeezzzze.:mad:
But when all the hype and dust is cleared away, only three men (David Haye and the Klitschko brothers) really generate any excitement and really count in the current heavyweight scene. The rest are churning in a downward swirl (if not spiral). Names like Austin, Johnson, Solis, Povetkin, Chagaev, Thompson, David Rodriguez (with his dismal Lamar Clark record), Gomez, Chambers, Valuev, and Dimitrenko keep on popping up but when they are given their chance, they fail miserably. Too short David Tua is getting too long in the tooth to provide any meaningful competition and his 2010 draw with aging Monte Barrett does little to argue with that conclusion. Now Chisora will take his turn at getting savaged, but at least he offers some excitement with his unique brand of biting, butting, and kissing.;D And it does look like Povetkin has finally gotten up enough gumption to take on one of the big three. Look, these guys are simply not compelling. Maybe Arreola (if he is in better shape) and Adamek can ignite some competition, because both come to fight, but regrettably, it is what it is and it’s simply not very much to get excited about.
Yes, the heavyweight boxing scene is on life support. :o
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Going by the rest of this forum its because Bruce Lee is apparently dead! :eek:
Really though,They are big men these days but they are a soft bunch compared with the old school. It had to happen mate,there just isnt a killer amongst them, non of them have that ':mad: fuk you your going to die in here with me' attitude, that has lead to a whole line of mediocre performances and big men who go in playing it safe.
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I hate how haye has talked his way into being one of the big three at heavy, really??? He has a title that should belong to wlad since chagaev was stripped of it before the klit fight. There is no big three just the big two the klits, below that you have haye and adamek, below them povetkin on good days. The rest are either to lazy, washed up or to inexperienced.
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There's no "big 3" its #1 Wlad and #2 Vitali and everyone else is a chump.....FACT
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Heavies have always been short on skill; a 'great' heavy typically exhibits moves that are nothing special among the lighter weights. I think this becomes more pronounced as heavyweights get bigger.
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it's not on life support. don't you know foreman is making a comeback in June?
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There are no "BIG 3". There are 2 great heavies (the brothers), 3-4 good heavies (Povetkin, Haye, Adamek, Chambers) and some really good prospects like Boytsov and Glazkov. What is making the division look crap, is the lack of good match ups (great and good heavies don't want to fight each other). Still though Heavyweights are better than cruiserweights :)
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greynotsoold
Heavies have always been short on skill; a 'great' heavy typically exhibits moves that are nothing special among the lighter weights. I think this becomes more pronounced as heavyweights get bigger.
But not during the Golden Age of the '70's! :o
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USA needs a bout of depression that forces them to get out of other crap sports and have hunger in their bellies to feed their kids and family. Here's to a stock market crash tomorrow.
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Its been dead since the late 90's IMO.
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it's not on life support. don't you know foreman is making a comeback in June?
Yes... he's fighting someone by the name of Larry Holmes.
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Heavyweights are overrated.
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HW boxing is on life support because the K brothers are... well, they are brothers. They can't fight each other. Plus they're not Americans.
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USA needs a bout of depression that forces them to get out of other crap sports and have hunger in their bellies to feed their kids and family. Here's to a stock market crash tomorrow.
Please, not that way!! :o :o
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I don't see it as dead at all, I think the Klitschko's would dominated any era without Lennox Lewis in it. They are way too big and athletic for the 80's or 70's. I think there are good guys out there, maybe on average not as high as some points in history, but they are way better than when Holmes reigned.
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Taeth
I don't see it as dead at all, I think the Klitschko's would dominated any era without Lennox Lewis in it. They are way too big and athletic for the 80's or 70's. I think there are good guys out there, maybe on average not as high as some points in history, but they are way better than when Holmes reigned.
Not a fucking chance. They would have been massacred by the top men of the 70's and the likes of Tyson, Evander, Bowe and Lewis would have smashed both Klits all day long. Like Lennox said, at my worst I beat Vitali at his best. Say no more. And as for the 70's crop, as David Haye said on Ringside the other week "I'd like to think I could live with that era, but they were just too hard and boxers today are just softer".
Lamon Brewster, Ross Purrity and Corrie Sanders?? Are all them to big and athletic for the men of the 70's too??
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i know everyone pretty much hates David Haye, but for me he isthe only way in the nex 5 - 10 years get some interest back in the heavyweight devision for the boxing world, ( and im not a haye lover or hater)these fighters need to resolve there prblems and sign on the dotted line!!
sorry ive been awy so long guys in the marines now, but always come on to read, ill try get back involved
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gally
i know everyone pretty much hates David Haye, but for me he isthe only way in the nex 5 - 10 years get some interest back in the heavyweight devision for the boxing world, ( and im not a haye lover or hater)these fighters need to resolve there prblems and sign on the dotted line!!
sorry ive been awy so long guys in the marines now, but always come on to read, ill try get back involved
Well first off thanks for your service.
Secondly I don't think the division is any better or worse than the one Lennox Lewis reigned because you've got Wlad and Vitali who are so dominant right now it's almost impossible to think any of the current contenders could even trouble them and then you've got contenders some too old, some too young, some just not talented enough.
The good news for US fans is that we're starting to develop some prospects and we can only hope they turn out: Deontay Wilder, Joe Hanks, Seth Mitchell (I think it's Mitchell, but either way I hear he's good) those guys are big, they are being moved along a little slow, but I think they'll start to grab some headlines before too long...I think their best bet is to wait out the reign of the Klitschko's though because those guys don't look like they are slowing down.
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El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
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El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
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El Kabong
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Memphis
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El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.
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rjj tszyu
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El Kabong
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Memphis
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El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.
At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
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Taeth
I don't see it as dead at all, I think the Klitschko's would dominated any era without Lennox Lewis in it. They are way too big and athletic for the 80's or 70's. I think there are good guys out there, maybe on average not as high as some points in history, but they are way better than when Holmes reigned.
Who are they? Other than Haye, I can't find any. :confused:
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El Kabong
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.
At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.
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El Kabong
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Memphis
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El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
Wilder has been worked very very slow indeed if this is his kinda opposition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI...?v=gUlfI5VlZuY
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El Kabong
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rjj tszyu
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.
At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.
Its got to be a wide range because #1 He's young and #2 he hasn't been tested so other than "he's very raw" you can't tell much about him. Thee's not a good judge on power yet, or chin or stamina and he hasn't fought anyone I've heard of he's just got a huge frame and only when he finally steps up will we know anything about him.
Not all of his opponents are Butterbean-esque...who knew Wilder had already fought "The White James Toney"???
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gally
i know everyone pretty much hates David Haye, but for me he isthe only way in the nex 5 - 10 years get some interest back in the heavyweight devision for the boxing world, ( and im not a haye lover or hater)these fighters need to resolve there prblems and sign on the dotted line!!
sorry ive been awy so long guys in the marines now, but always come on to read, ill try get back involved
Welcome back!! ;D
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holmcall
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El Kabong
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
He looks very raw your right Lyle. I've been watching him too. I think he needs to be brought on very very slowly though. I feel that if he gets thrown in with anyone in the current top 10 (Povetkin, Arreloa, Chambers, Chagaev etc.) he will come unstuck. But fight the likes of Monte Barrett and that kind of level and he could learn a few things over the next couple of years. I feel in my gut that he doesn't have the natural talent to be very good but I hope I'm wrong.
At the very best he's Lennox Lewis and the worst he's Malcom Tann...that's the range I give him so there could be a spot between Riddick Bowe and Julius Long he could occupy and IMO it wouldn't be a total waste. This division needs stepping stones like any other.
As big and as lanky as the guy is I think you're right he needs to move slow because I don't feel like the lankier fighters develop great hand eye coordination as fast as the smaller fighters. Plus he's been fighting in the south up til now so I think he needs to move his base to LA, Vegas, New York, Atlatic City to really develop.
I've heard Seth Mitchel is more polished, but I haven't seen the guy
Seth is pretty good for a guy who crossed over fromm College Football (Michigan State) He is coming along pretty darn well. I must say, your ranges are quite wide. Tann to Lewis and/or Bowe to long is almost as good as THe Jewish Hammer to Tim Withersppon.
I've seen Seth once on ESPN FNF's I think and I thought he too was very raw but had potential. In fact that could be a fight to watch for over the next couple of years. Wilder vs Mitchell. I never see either man being as good as a Lennox Lewis class fighter though!
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Deontay needs to swing at guys with pulses! Freakish height and thin frame combined with being marketed on power and ko numbers and a 99.5% untested chin is a recipe for disaster. They need to keep him off air and fight a toughie....If he crashes and burns it will serve him better then beating any 10 pizza delivery guys in co main events.
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El Kabong
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Memphis
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El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
Wilder has been worked very very slow indeed if this is his kinda opposition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY
That slob he fought is 4-4 and all fights have ended by stoppage. He has fought as high as 421. Holy shite. :o
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TheMacMagician
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Deontay Wilder
Dee...ontay? Is that how its pronounced? He cant be any good with a name like a female R'n'B singer.
He's very raw, but he's 15 (15 KO)-0-0, he's 6'7 has recently weighed around the 220 mark(imagine that a heavyweight that could stand to add a few pounds) and has a wingspan of 84" and he's being trained by Mark Breland (last I heard). He's young (25) and hasn't fought anyone of note yet, but I think he'll start getting tested this year. Like I said, he's a prospect.
Wilder has been worked very very slow indeed if this is his kinda opposition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY
That slob he fought is 4-4 and all fights have ended by stoppage. He has fought as high as 421. Holy shite. :o
All the Kings horses and all the Kings men....
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The obesity is sickening. :confused:
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The obesity is sickening. :confused:
Precisely! That's why all the arguments about why the division isn't any worse off today than it was in the past, fall on deaf ears.
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greynotsoold
Heavies have always been short on skill; a 'great' heavy typically exhibits moves that are nothing special among the lighter weights. I think this becomes more pronounced as heavyweights get bigger.
But not during the Golden Age of the '70's! :o
Or the other unoffical golden age of the 90s.;)
