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Don't recall this dream matchup ever being discussed -- what do you think? It comes down to whether or not we, alive now in these modern times, believe that the current strongmen could standup to the withering assault of the old-time strongmen in punching power, stamina, will to win, and ability to absorb punishment.
I know Lewis would have a bad time trying to tolerate the Brown Bomber's missiles to the point of the chin.
Joe Louis was an inside fighter plus alot smaller than Lennox Lewis, unless Lennox Lewis get's sloppy i see him having too much range and size for Joe Louis. And i see him stopping Joe Louis in about 9 or 10 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Lewis' size alone makes this a mismatch, but it's almost impossible to compare fighters from two completely different eras.
I like Joe Louis alot he was a fine boxer and a better person, however he has no chance at all at beating Lennox Lewis , the size is just to much , yes Joe had power but his chin was not rock solid , Lennox would hit the target early and it is good night.
Lewis KO2
I think with Lennox history of getting caught with one shot knockouts, you gotta give Louis the punchers chance. I think its around a 60/40 odds of Lewis winning. Also are they gonna do 15 rounds? ;D The size is 6'2 215 vs 6'5 245 not insurmountable. 76 reach vs 84 though.
Those one shot losses were both to an out of shape Lewis who underestaimated both McCall and Rahman because he took harder shots then those that stopped him and stood up to them.....Size is the biggest factor here and the fact Lewis knew how to use his range and height would make it hard for Joe to get inside and be effective.....I won't pick a winner though because it is just too subjective and the era difference makes for large style differencesQuote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Lewis inside of 5 rounds
Probably a finish similar to Tyson (though 3 rounds earlier of course)
Both top 10 of all time imo. In terms of 'Greatness' I'd have Louis a lot higher than Lews, but head to head I'd pick Lewis!
First of all Lewis would have about 35lbs on Louis who fought in his prime at 200-203lb, having said that, i believe the lumbering Lennox Lewis would find the power of Joe Louis on the inside to much for him. Tyson in his prime would KO Lewis and so would Joe Frazier, i see no reason why Joe Louis wouldn't do the same. Lennox Lewis was a lazy fighter, he got hit often and nailed twice... badly. Lennox Lewis is no Joe Louis!!
Lewis was never outboxed or beaten down by anybody. He got knocked out my 2 punches that would've floored any heavyweight in history imo. Without a doubt NOBODY could've stood up to the Rahman punch. Apart from Mercer and Vitali, nobody ever came close to beating him. I don't think those 2 KOs were as damaging as if he had've been beat down and outclassed for 12 rounds by somebody. All those KOs told us was that Lewis was occasionally lazy, unprepared and poor definsively. I think he absolutely belongs in the same breath as Joe LouisQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Larry Holmes took a harder punch off Earnie Shavers, and was up at the count of 4. There's plenty of fighters who could of took that shot and got up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HLewis was never outboxed or beaten down by anybody. He got knocked out my 2 punches that would've floored any heavyweight in history imo. Without a doubt NOBODY could've stood up to the Rahman punch. Apart from Mercer and Vitali, nobody ever came close to beating him. I don't think those 2 KOs were as damaging as if he had've been beat down and outclassed for 12 rounds by somebody. All those KOs told us was that Lewis was occasionally lazy, unprepared and poor definsively. I think he absolutely belongs in the same breath as Joe LouisQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Marion Wilson
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Oliver McCall
Ray Mercer
Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
ETC.
You make out like it was most devastating shot in Heavyweight history, Lennox Lewis was also caught plenty by Shannon Briggs, Ray Mercer. I always thought he was lazy in alot of his fights. Its just he invited Hasim Rahman to hit him with his hands down.
That's all subjective mate, nobody can know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLarry Holmes took a harder punch off Earnie Shavers, and was up at the count of 4. There's plenty of fighters who could of took that shot and got up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HLewis was never outboxed or beaten down by anybody. He got knocked out my 2 punches that would've floored any heavyweight in history imo. Without a doubt NOBODY could've stood up to the Rahman punch. Apart from Mercer and Vitali, nobody ever came close to beating him. I don't think those 2 KOs were as damaging as if he had've been beat down and outclassed for 12 rounds by somebody. All those KOs told us was that Lewis was occasionally lazy, unprepared and poor definsively. I think he absolutely belongs in the same breath as Joe LouisQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Marion Wilson
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Oliver McCall
Ray Mercer
Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
ETC.
You make out like it was most devastating shot in Heavyweight history, Lennox Lewis was also caught plenty by Shannon Briggs, Ray Mercer. I always thought he was lazy in alot of his fights. Its just he invited Hasim Rahman to hit him with his hands down.
Yeh he was caught plenty, but didn't go down. I said that I don't think anybody would've 'stood up' to the Rahman punch and I stick by that. Somebody may have got back up from it, but I doubt it.
How Holmes got up and survived against Shavers is beyond me. He can't have been human ;D
Journeymen that become survival experts doesn't mean they have a granite chin. It's silly to add Wilson to that list. Might as well put Johnny Nelson on there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBLarry Holmes took a harder punch off Earnie Shavers, and was up at the count of 4. There's plenty of fighters who could of took that shot and got up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HLewis was never outboxed or beaten down by anybody. He got knocked out my 2 punches that would've floored any heavyweight in history imo. Without a doubt NOBODY could've stood up to the Rahman punch. Apart from Mercer and Vitali, nobody ever came close to beating him. I don't think those 2 KOs were as damaging as if he had've been beat down and outclassed for 12 rounds by somebody. All those KOs told us was that Lewis was occasionally lazy, unprepared and poor definsively. I think he absolutely belongs in the same breath as Joe LouisQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Marion Wilson
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Oliver McCall
Ray Mercer
Rocky Marciano
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
ETC.
You make out like it was most devastating shot in Heavyweight history, Lennox Lewis was also caught plenty by Shannon Briggs, Ray Mercer. I always thought he was lazy in alot of his fights. Its just he invited Hasim Rahman to hit him with his hands down.
Of all the fighters you've listed - I would bet only Oliver McCall would not go down from that punch. It not only landed right on the button he also didn't see it coming. The worst punch possible to take.
Joe Loius would be too small for Lennox. I see Lewis Ko'ing him late but Joe having some good moments also
Lennox Lewis would destroy Joe Louis.
To much size. A light heavy vs a big true heavy. To compare really not far. Different era. Vitali Klits would have beat Joe simply because of size. Cant compare.
Lennox lewis would smash Louis i mean lets be real here size advantage alone is alot.
Louis can punch and hurt Lennox so Lennox will have to keep his distance but if he made Lewis could be KOed.
So Lewis would have won because he is bigger? Louis wasn't much smaller than Holyfield- a true blown up light heavy- and Lewis didn't blow him out. And Holyfield is eons behind Louis in everything- boxing skill, boxing intelligence, punching ability, punching power, all of it. Louis would outjab Lewis- there is much more to out-jabbinbg somebody than poking them from further away than he can poke you- back him up and knock him out.
Tell you truth grey Holyfeild would shit on Louis as well, Louis couldn't deal with counter punchers that well and when Holyfeild was at his best he was one hell of a boxer.
2 of the greatest ever no doubt. But I feel that Louis may well have been too tough for Lennox. He had dynamite in his hands even as a small HW and his will to win combined with that power was like nothing Lennox faced. It would be like a combination of Tyson and Holyfield and I feel that would have been too much for Lennox as I think even a past his prime Evander got a draw against a prime Lennox in the rematch. I think the results of the Lennox vs Evander fights were right, just the order they came in were wrong.
Lewis is not necessarily known for having an iron chin/jaw either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
But I can see Lewis doing what he did to David Tua. Just keeping him on a safe distance using his reach.
Tony Galento floored Louis , he has no chance.Lewis would ko him in a walk over in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoLewis is not necessarily known for having an iron chin/jaw either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
But I can see Lewis doing what he did to David Tua. Just keeping him on a safe distance using his reach.
Other then his 2 KO losses by two hard punchers he came in under tarined for when was Lennox dented? Tua landed monstor shots and LL stood up to them as did Mercer...Holyfield landed several hard shots, Vitali did as well and LL came in undertrained for that fight too....Not the best jaw but not soft either I can name 10 past hwt champions who fell to lesser shots then LLQuote:
Originally Posted by ChinoLewis is not necessarily known for having an iron chin/jaw either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
But I can see Lewis doing what he did to David Tua. Just keeping him on a safe distance using his reach.
Yeah I've reached the stage where you just have to say its impossible to compare eras. In sport or anything.
If you're the best of your era you've done the job and nothing more can be asked - Fury can still reach this goal.
Had some clown in the pub the other day telling me how Brazil team of 1970 would murder the current Man City side...:-\
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Originally Posted by Mark TKO
See why I post side by side to expose lunatics who just speak without comparing side by side, of course a guy looks great vs guys of his own era or watching
highlights which don't show everything,
so i match them up side by side full rounds and see how obsolete/outdated they are when a person can see every angle/tech/timing/defense between each era
The 70s were very dated compared to the 80s let alone the 90s in most sports
Most on yt don't match up side by side full rounds like me cause it hurts to see the truth of how novice like the louis era was/Dempsey era no one even made mid card fighting exactly like those guys in the 70s-'90s
https://youtu.be/a27vtfAuSyI?si=BGAirVUy_WdqMjjd looks like novices compared to 70s-90sQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
And lennox even in his first top pro 10 matches was way more even than the 70s let alone the novice like era louis fought in so why was this named prime vs prime
Anybody who gave louis any chance or wins is a lunatic