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Released Fbi, ufo files
So the FBI have been declassifying alleged UFO documents on their official website recently. It seems like their following what alot of other countries have already done. I've read a few and there very interesting, apparently Roswell was true etc. I'm not saying I believe it all to the letter, it's very intriging tho. I've heard alot of talk from people that their trying to prepare us for final disclosure on the matter or it could all be a smoke screen for something else. Anyhow I thought it would make for an interesting debate.
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Years ago i thought anybody who believed in ufos were Loops. Now ive joined the club ;D. There are to many reputable people coming out Thousands of them. Seti and such are anti, the reason being they would lose there 30 million a year grant, for looking for something that is already Here ;D. Simply do you believe the industrial, military, banking cartels. Or Honest scientists, who have nothing to gain, but everything to lose. Who through there lifetime have told the truth.
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Maybe the Yeti's are from the UFO's. ;D
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I personally do believe it's a very real phenomanon. Of course there r alot of hoaxes out there, but I believe alot of it is true. Like scrap said alot of credible people have come out the woodwork and said it's real, ex military pilots, astronauts, government officials. It is hard to argue against the evidence
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If you have the time to look, its pretty impressive. Theres lots of disimformation out there, its annoying, as they say you can speak to people with wooden legs, but you cant speak to people with wooden Heads ;D.
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Wasn't there a video floating about the Mexican government released from their military planes of some pretty mad air crafts they couldn't identify?
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I'd like their literature on experiments with frequencies,dimension and Merkaba fields made public, I think there maybe a link between all this stuff.
LAw of attraction and all that stuff.
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On 4/13 and 4/14 the CoasttoCoastam radio programs will be focusing on aliens and the ufos...don't know if that would be available online but the website is Home - Coast to Coast AM I'm pretty sure that, once there, one could find audio easily, for some one other than myself, who still owns and listen to an am radio.:)
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I find it fascinating how god also created aliens, but kept this knowledge hidden in the Bible. God is the ultimate trickster. Always working within the shadows and never fully revealing himself.
I think some of these reports must have some credibility. I would really like to meet an alien in my lifetime and maybe hitch a ride.
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I find it fascinating how god also created aliens, but kept this knowledge hidden in the Bible. God is the ultimate trickster. Always working within the shadows and never fully revealing himself.
I think some of these reports must have some credibility. I would really like to meet an alien in my lifetime and maybe hitch a ride.
There are actually numerous parts in the Bible which have been interpreted as referring to aliens.
And an alien would get sick of your bitching and abandon you somewhere near Saturn :).
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I find it fascinating how god also created aliens, but kept this knowledge hidden in the Bible. God is the ultimate trickster. Always working within the shadows and never fully revealing himself.
I think some of these reports must have some credibility. I would really like to meet an alien in my lifetime and maybe hitch a ride.
There are actually numerous parts in the Bible which have been interpreted as referring to aliens.
And an alien would get sick of your bitching and abandon you somewhere near Saturn :).
All of this is true (especially the second part)
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On 4/13 and 4/14 the CoasttoCoastam radio programs will be focusing on aliens and the ufos...don't know if that would be available online but the website is
Home - Coast to Coast AM I'm pretty sure that, once there, one could find audio easily, for some one other than myself,
who still owns and listen to an am radio.:)
All I listen to is am radio... :) Just don't like that music the kids are listening to you these days! :-\
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I find it fascinating how god also created aliens, but kept this knowledge hidden in the Bible. God is the ultimate trickster. Always working within the shadows and never fully revealing himself.
I think some of these reports must have some credibility. I would really like to meet an alien in my lifetime and maybe hitch a ride.
There are actually numerous parts in the Bible which have been interpreted as referring to aliens.
And an alien would get sick of your bitching and abandon you somewhere near Saturn :).
Interpreted though. I refuse to believe that angels are oblique references to aliens. I'm just not having it.
Everyone is being mean to me here. I don't think I am human anyway. I think I was actually left here by aliens and that they have simply forgotten about me. I am stranded much like ET was. Take me back you bastards!
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Growing up I had a huge interest in UFO's and aliens but after reading up everything on the subject the evidence for them is virtually non existant imo.
It's amazing to me how much less evidence people require to believe in aliens or evolution than they do the Bible. When it comes to God and the Bible people will look for every possible inconsistency, the most extrarranous of challenges from the most incredulous sources etc, but with aliens and evolution one need only to announce a thing and it is accepted as fact.
But aliens and little green men, about as credible as the Loch Ness Monster based on current evidence.
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As with Yeti's I believe they exist.
Dont see how people could be so naive to believe we are the only lifeform to exist in this universe. Considering it's ever increasing, and the amount of galaxies out there, are we really to believe we are the only lifeform :confused:
Anyway, our existence on this planet is only an experiment by another lifeform. We were put here to see how the human race would evolve, and eventually destroy the planet they put us on. Every now and then they pop down to check on us and perform experiments on us. Simples
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Growing up I had a huge interest in UFO's and aliens but after reading up everything on the subject the evidence for them is virtually non existant imo.
It's amazing to me how much less evidence people require to believe in aliens or evolution than they do the Bible. When it comes to God and the Bible people will look for every possible inconsistency, the most extrarranous of challenges from the most incredulous sources etc, but with aliens and evolution one need only to announce a thing and it is accepted as fact.
But aliens and little green men, about as credible as the Loch Ness Monster based on current evidence.
The thing with aliens though is that we are at least seeing lights and things buzzing around the skies, god doesn't seem to even bother with any of that....unless it is god playing games with all the funny lights.
Either way I have never seen a UFO and I have never met an alien, so until that time I will remain quite sceptical.
I am sceptical about most things really, I was being unusually optimistic in my earlier post in this thread.
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Bilbo
Growing up I had a huge interest in UFO's and aliens but after reading up everything on the subject the evidence for them is virtually non existant imo.
It's amazing to me how much less evidence people require to believe in aliens or evolution than they do the Bible. When it comes to God and the Bible people will look for every possible inconsistency, the most extrarranous of challenges from the most incredulous sources etc, but with aliens and evolution one need only to announce a thing and it is accepted as fact.
But aliens and little green men, about as credible as the Loch Ness Monster based on current evidence.
The thing with aliens though is that we are at least seeing lights and things buzzing around the skies, god doesn't seem to even bother with any of that....unless it is god playing games with all the funny lights.
Either way I have never seen a UFO and I have never met an alien, so until that time I will remain quite sceptical.
I am sceptical about most things really, I was being unusually optimistic in my earlier post in this thread.
I'm glad you are still sceptical as belief in aliens and evolution tend to go hand in hand.
As people are now conditioned to think that life can spontaneously appear out of nothing they see the vast scale of the universe and assume it must be out there.
Indeed, if life does just randomly create when conditions are right it must be.
But as we have so far found zilch, nada, nothing at all.
It's quite weird really. I mean with evolution being true you would expect many forms of highly intelligent lifeforms, but man is the only species, and with life just randomly creating you would presume the universe to be teeming with life after all these billions of years.
But it's a resounding no in both cases.
Of course for me this makes sense. Man is special and unique because God made us so, in His image. And the universe is lifeless because life just doesn't pop when conditions are right, it requires creating.
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
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Wow! very interesting......
NOT! Don't you guys get it? It's all about selling books. Coast to Coast and the like are one big infomercial.
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Did you guys see the latest UFO footage? It's pretty real looking if you ask me I dont see how they could have faked this one.
http://tinyurl.com/y8b6rtr
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No doubt about it. Rick Astley is one of the lizard people.
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
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The Truth is Out There. ;)
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
Oh right, so he made us in his image but he doesn't actually look like us. That makes perfect sense.
God looks like good. God is good.
Hmm.. the dudes that came up with that idea were pretty smart. It really does make sense. God is good.
It's a shame our image doesn't mean our physical image because i'd love to know how god deals with a dodgy back and stuff.
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Bilbo
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Fenster
So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
Oh right, so he made us in his image but he doesn't actually look like us. That makes perfect sense.
God looks like good. God is good.
Hmm.. the dudes that came up with that idea were pretty smart. It really does make sense. God is good.
It's a shame our image doesn't mean our physical image because i'd love to know how god deals with a dodgy back and stuff.
Fenster, Im glad you understand this biblical babble.
To believe in a book of which no-one knows of it's origin or author/authors is pretty amazing.
I wonder then, did God want to give dinosuars first crack of the whip on this planet cos he thought they would be a worthy lifeform to inhabit the Earth ? Guess he thought fuck them they are shit, im gonna send a huge meteorite to wipe them out, then try again with this lifeform i'll call humans. Yea, thats it, that will work.
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Fenster
So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
Oh right, so he made us in his image but he doesn't actually look like us. That makes perfect sense.
God looks like good. God is good.
Hmm.. the dudes that came up with that idea were pretty smart. It really does make sense. God is good.
It's a shame our image doesn't mean our physical image because i'd love to know how god deals with a dodgy back and stuff.
On the contrary He is like us, or rather we are like Him. He is morally expressive, able to choose good and evil. He has free will. He appreciates beauty, knowledge, learning, love, kindness etc.
We are totally created in His image.
You are confused about the term 'image'. It' doesn't apply soley to physical characterisics.
And yes God does look like good. When we live in accordance to God's values we are truly reflecting His image. When we don't live in accordance to God's values we express evil which is an absence of God.
Darkness is an absence of light, thus God is not evil, but merely evil is the absence of good or God.
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Fenster
So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
Oh right, so he made us in his image but he doesn't actually look like us. That makes perfect sense.
God looks like good. God is good.
Hmm.. the dudes that came up with that idea were pretty smart. It really does make sense. God is good.
It's a shame our image doesn't mean our physical image because i'd love to know how god deals with a dodgy back and stuff.
On the contrary He is like us, or rather we are like Him. He is morally expressive, able to choose good and evil. He has free will. He appreciates beauty, knowledge, learning, love, kindness etc.
We are totally created in His image.
You are confused about the term 'image'. It' doesn't apply soley to physical characterisics.
And yes God does look like good. When we live in accordance to God's values we are truly reflecting His image. When we don't live in accordance to God's values we express evil which is an absence of God.
Darkness is an absence of light, thus God is not evil, but merely evil is the absence of good or God.
OK, what are god's values? And why do we need to live by them?
Can I follow your routine? You know the score, right?
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Fenster
So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
Oh right, so he made us in his image but he doesn't actually look like us. That makes perfect sense.
God looks like good. God is good.
Hmm.. the dudes that came up with that idea were pretty smart. It really does make sense. God is good.
It's a shame our image doesn't mean our physical image because i'd love to know how god deals with a dodgy back and stuff.
On the contrary He is like us, or rather we are like Him. He is morally expressive, able to choose good and evil. He has free will. He appreciates beauty, knowledge, learning, love, kindness etc.
We are totally created in His image.
You are confused about the term 'image'. It' doesn't apply soley to physical characterisics.
And yes God does look like good. When we live in accordance to God's values we are truly reflecting His image. When we don't live in accordance to God's values we express evil which is an absence of God.
Darkness is an absence of light, thus God is not evil, but merely evil is the absence of good or God.
OK, what are god's values? And why do we need to live by them?
Can I follow your routine? You know the score, right?
God's values are best expressed in the person of Jesus Christ. Interestingly regarding image, nowhere in the Bible does it give a single description of what Jesus looked like, other than to say the Romans pulled out his beard so we know he wasn't clean shaven.
You don't actually need to live by them for salvation. Jesus died to pay the price for your sins because humans are not capable of living a perfect life.
Living God's values for a Christian is because they love the character of their saviour and wish to emulate and live like Him, both to be pleasing to Him and also to find the true happiness that comes with living the way you were intended to live.
Imagine an eagle having free will and deciding to walk everywhere instead of soar majestically through the sky, it would be missing out on its true purpose and life.
Imagine a giraffe choosing to live off of grass, a very uncomfortable existence.
Well we humans were designed in God's image to behave in a certain way, to appreciate life in a certain way. We can refuse to do this as we have free will but it is very interesting to note that all of the ways humans defy God, and gain enjoyment apart from God result in them debasing themselves and acting far below what we are.
So we drink and take drugs which destroy our bodies and make us behave in ways that demean us. We become gluttens and slothful and our bodies become fat, out of shape and weak and sickly. We try to create new moralities and religions apart from God so that we don't need Him at all, or that He doesn't even exist. But take Him away and all we are left with is that are just shaven monkeys that ultimately evolved from slime and pond ooze and whose lives have no meaning or purpose at all.
That's why people choose to live by God's values. Not because of trying to work their way into heaven, it's a free gift you just have to accept it, but because they see themselves as more than evolved ooze and don't see the fun in being a grass eating giraffe or a ground hopping eagle.
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No doubt about it. Rick Astley is one of the lizard people.
DAMNIT!! So when you check those boxes it only works on your side? Foiled again by saddo, son of a....
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He probably put that in because he was getting Rick rolled daily.
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
Oh right, so he made us in his image but he doesn't actually look like us. That makes perfect sense.
God looks like good. God is good.
Hmm.. the dudes that came up with that idea were pretty smart. It really does make sense. God is good.
It's a shame our image doesn't mean our physical image because i'd love to know how god deals with a dodgy back and stuff.
On the contrary He is like us, or rather we are like Him. He is morally expressive, able to choose good and evil. He has free will. He appreciates beauty, knowledge, learning, love, kindness etc.
We are totally created in His image.
You are confused about the term 'image'. It' doesn't apply soley to physical characterisics.
And yes God does look like good. When we live in accordance to God's values we are truly reflecting His image. When we don't live in accordance to God's values we express evil which is an absence of God.
Darkness is an absence of light, thus God is not evil, but merely evil is the absence of good or God.
OK, what are god's values? And why do we need to live by them?
Can I follow your routine? You know the score, right?
God's values are best expressed in the person of Jesus Christ. Interestingly regarding image, nowhere in the Bible does it give a single description of what Jesus looked like, other than to say the Romans pulled out his beard so we know he wasn't clean shaven.
You don't actually need to live by them for salvation. Jesus died to pay the price for your sins because humans are not capable of living a perfect life.
Living God's values for a Christian is because they love the character of their saviour and wish to emulate and live like Him, both to be pleasing to Him and also to find the true happiness that comes with living the way you were intended to live.
Imagine an eagle having free will and deciding to walk everywhere instead of soar majestically through the sky, it would be missing out on its true purpose and life.
Imagine a giraffe choosing to live off of grass, a very uncomfortable existence.
Well we humans were designed in God's image to behave in a certain way, to appreciate life in a certain way. We can refuse to do this as we have free will but it is very interesting to note that all of the ways humans defy God, and gain enjoyment apart from God result in them debasing themselves and acting far below what we are.
So we drink and take drugs which destroy our bodies and make us behave in ways that demean us. We become gluttens and slothful and our bodies become fat, out of shape and weak and sickly. We try to create new moralities and religions apart from God so that we don't need Him at all, or that He doesn't even exist. But take Him away and all we are left with is that are just shaven monkeys that ultimately evolved from slime and pond ooze and whose lives have no meaning or purpose at all.
That's why people choose to live by God's values. Not because of trying to work their way into heaven, it's a free gift you just have to accept it, but because they see themselves as more than evolved ooze and don't see the fun in being a grass eating giraffe or a ground hopping eagle.
That's great Bilbo. However, I am a complete moron. It seems to me, the only difference between belief in God, according to you, and non belief is merely saying it.
So - I now believe in God.
How does this affect my life and what do I have to do?
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I don't really follow. If it was a genuine conversion and you accepted Jesus for dying for your sins, technically you don't have to 'do' anything.
Salvation is a free gift. God wants everybody to be saved, but if they decide to reject Him then they must bear the consequence of their free will choose and live apart from God in the next life.
You seem bent on turning Christianity into a list of do's and do not's, which to be fair many Christian sects insist on doing as well.
But Christianity is not about works, it is precisely the opposite. God made the Old Testament laws so strict to demonstrate to his people that they were impossible to follow. They were supposed to show how futile and absurd it is to try and impress God with your works (filthy rags and garments is how the Bible describes them) and instead recognise that you need a saviour.
The Gospel message properly understood is the most amazing message in history.
A perfect God, (perfect in justice as well as goodness) created man with the gift of free will to choose good and evil. When man chose rebellion, the just penalty of which must be death God offered His only Son to take our place. This was planned from all eternity, the way a mankind could have freewill in a just universe and not be damned to death because of the wrong choices they would inevitably make.
God Himself, the creator of the universe humbled Himself enough to become one of us and be born and live amongst us, to an unmarried mother in poverty. He then allowed us to nail Him to a cross and kill Him and actually used His death as an atonement to save us!
It's the most amazing story ever told, I don't see how people cannot be moved by it.
I agree with you that religion is full of hypocrites, has been exploited for evil and many of the criticisms against it are completely justified.
But the message of the cross and the person of Jesus Christ combine to make the greatest story ever told.
That I believe it to be true is the greatest comfort to me in this world.
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
The bible says he made us in his image, that means he has hands, feet, an eye, a cock etc. So what use are these to him? They must have a purpose, right?
And what colour is he?
No color.
Actually the biblical definition of image was to know both good and evil, i.e the capacity for free will. It had nothing to do with physical form.
God has no body, he has no gender. These are mortal things. Everything that exists in physical form is a creation of God. He is not part of His creation.
Straight from Jesus mouth is the stuff written in red. (I only mention that cause not everyone knows it Bilbo, I know you do mate ;).
This is just one hard hitting truth the Roman universal churches council forgot to omit.
Luke 11:52, Woe unto you, Lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Luke:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees and lawyers when the Kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said,
The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say lo it is here or lo it is there, for the Kingdom of God is within you.
Anyone who teaches you that you are required to externally seek answers or for Gods Kingdom, is against you progressing towards the truth and are against God.
That would be 99.7% of organized Religions.
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
Unintentionally Sexual Church Signs | someecards.com
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
Unintentionally Sexual Church Signs | someecards.com
haha they are brilliant! I also agree entirely with your thread above.
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No doubt about it. Rick Astley is one of the lizard people.
DAMNIT!! So when you check those boxes it only works on your side? Foiled again by saddo, son of a....
I think the title just shows up when it's quoted.
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So where did god come from then? If he made us in his image does that mean he can wank and stuff? If not what is his cock for?
Well God's existence is beyond our capacity to fathom. But it's logically absurd to reject the seemingly forced conclusion this massively complex universe must have some designer/designers behind it because you don't already know where they came from.
I do love how for atheists the problem of God coming into existence is incomprehensible for them yet they happily accept that everything else just appeared magically out of nothing for no reason. Maybe that happened with God. One day there He was just immortal, and eternal. If that isn't convincing to you then how about there was an explosion first and lots of spirits came into existence, joining up with other spirits becoming more powerful. Eventually they all became one supreme spirit over many billions of years and then this one made the universe. Doesn't that no sound so much more scientific and plausible?
As to whether God masturbates I don't know, but if that is part of His image He must look down on me and feel very proud..
Unintentionally Sexual Church Signs | someecards.com
haha they are brilliant! I also agree entirely with your thread above.
Got's to love them acronyms:
F.B.I. - Female Breast Inspector
UFO - Unusual Foot Oder
B.I.B.L.E. - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth
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