He would have schooled pacqiou
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He would have schooled pacqiou
I think he would win as well.
I don't think he would school him, Sugar Ray Leonard had some troubles vs Ayub Kalule who was a Southpaw. But the very fact people put Manny Pacquiao, in these fantasy fights vs great Welterweight fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
When a few years ago people thought it was suicide, that Manny Pacquiao was moving up above the 10 stone limit. Just shows how great Manny Pacquiao is IMO.
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Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Leonard in his prime, was a great fighter, the total package, and he might have given Pacquiao a run for his money and even beaten him. But no way would Leonard have "schooled" or dominated the Pacquiao we've seen the last few years.
Well I'M certainly guitly of that! One other thing to consider is that of current welters, probably only Manny could weigh-in the same day at 147 as Leonard had to and fight effectively. Just about everyone else would never make weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI don't think he would school him, Sugar Ray Leonard had some troubles vs Ayub Kalule who was a Southpaw. But the very fact people put Manny Pacquiao, in these fantasy fights vs great Welterweight fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
When a few years ago people thought it was suicide, that Manny Pacquiao was moving up above the 10 stone limit. Just shows how great Manny Pacquiao is IMO.
i don't know just watching how hittable pacqiou is against guys like margarito makes me believe that sugar just has his number, granted we still don't know which version of margarito pacqiou fought, what i do know is ray is stronger, faster, and a MUCH better boxer than a margarito, and while pacqiou is an amazing fighter, he is a guy whose defense is his amazing offense, which really means he lacks in defense a lil and against a natural welterweight like ray who is so skilled i don't think he would go the distance.
No way Leonard would have schooled Pacquiao. Pacquiao's south paw stance and punch combination speed is more than anyone Leonard ever faced. Although at a much higher weight and older Leonard, Hagler walked though Leonard's punches. Pacquiao would have been able to land at least 20% more punches than Hagler did.
Very interesting note however about Leonard, did you know that he fought 25 times in less than a 3 year span from start of his career 77-79 until he fought his first 15 rounder with Benitez. He made an equivalent of $4 (1.5) Million in today's money for that fight. He fought Duran twice after that and made an equivalent of $23 (9) million for the first and $20 (7) Million for the second fight. He had 5 more fights and his first retirement in 1982 just 5 years of fighting after turning pro because of a detached retina.
I think you are right that Manny is faster than anyone Ray fought, but Ray handled a couple of southpaws pretty easily in Adolfo Viruet and Larry Bonds. Ray and Manny really are two different sized men. Ray was beating ranked MIDDLEWEIGHTS before he fought Benitez.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
as Ice said , lt us not forget PACMAN is fighting way above his starting weight class , its unfair to throw him in with great fighters at WW etc.
it just shows how astonishing Pacman is , how many times he has jumped up in weight.
You try to name men who beat top guys across five of the original divisions and it is a damned short list. Langford, Carpentier, McLarnin, Walker, Barbados Joe Walcott and Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
There may be a couple of others, but not many.
Manny Pac still has a bit to accomplish, Leonard was a great at the weight no doubt and would win.
Think Leonard would stop him i don't think anyone Pac has faced would last with Leonards comp.
ODLH, Duran, ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYou try to name men who beat top guys across five of the original divisions and it is a damned short list. Langford, Carpentier, McLarnin, Walker, Barbados Joe Walcott and Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
There may be a couple of others, but not many.
Leonard top wins are pretty hard to touch man Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and Benitez all pretty much peak. I not sure we ever got to see Leonards prime due to the Hearns fight still going with Leonard to win.
Leonard's prime may have been the Hearns fight, that was his greatest performance for me. To beat a monster in Hearns, was the ultimate achievement. Both great fighters at their best, a rare thing and one to look back and think WOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Well he was only 25 years old think he was just hitting his peak and that was Hearns win. I mean he went for the title pretty quick when he hit pro funny to to me he was able to beat Duran and Benitez at such a young age. I just think because of the eye injury kinda missed out on good number of years.
If it could of happened, I would be barracking for Manny cause SRL always pumped up his own bike tyres too much for my liking.
When you hold wins over Benitez, Hearns, Hagler & Duran any given fight is winable...
Oscar didn't. He beat men at 135, 147, and 160. Duran didn't either. 126, 135, 147 and 160. I don't think he ever beat a ranked 175.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBODLH, Duran, ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYou try to name men who beat top guys across five of the original divisions and it is a damned short list. Langford, Carpentier, McLarnin, Walker, Barbados Joe Walcott and Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
There may be a couple of others, but not many.