I was thinking about sugar ray leanard....

[fan johnny]

No way Leonard would have schooled Pacquiao. Pacquiao's south paw stance and punch combination speed is more than anyone Leonard ever faced. Although at a much higher weight and older Leonard, Hagler walked though Leonard's punches. Pacquiao would have been able to land at least 20% more punches than Hagler did.

Very interesting note however about Leonard, did you know that he fought 25 times in less than a 3 year span from start of his career 77-79 until he fought his first 15 rounder with Benitez. He made an equivalent of $4 (1.5) Million in today's money for that fight. He fought Duran twice after that and made an equivalent of $23 (9) million for the first and $20 (7) Million for the second fight. He had 5 more fights and his first retirement in 1982 just 5 years of fighting after turning pro because of a detached retina.

[marbleheadmaui]

No way Leonard would have schooled Pacquiao. Pacquiao's south paw stance and punch combination speed is more than anyone Leonard ever faced. Although at a much higher weight and older Leonard, Hagler walked though Leonard's punches. Pacquiao would have been able to land at least 20% more punches than Hagler did.

Very interesting note however about Leonard, did you know that he fought 25 times in less than a 3 year span from start of his career 77-79 until he fought his first 15 rounder with Benitez. He made an equivalent of $4 (1.5) Million in today's money for that fight. He fought Duran twice after that and made an equivalent of $23 (9) million for the first and $20 (7) Million for the second fight. He had 5 more fights and his first retirement in 1982 just 5 years of fighting after turning pro because of a detached retina.

I think you are right that Manny is faster than anyone Ray fought, but Ray handled a couple of southpaws pretty easily in Adolfo Viruet and Larry Bonds. Ray and Manny really are two different sized men. Ray was beating ranked MIDDLEWEIGHTS before he fought Benitez.

[Dark Lord Al]

as Ice said , lt us not forget PACMAN is fighting way above his starting weight class , its unfair to throw him in with great fighters at WW etc.
it just shows how astonishing Pacman is , how many times he has jumped up in weight.

[marbleheadmaui]

as Ice said , lt us not forget PACMAN is fighting way above his starting weight class , its unfair to throw him in with great fighters at WW etc.
it just shows how astonishing Pacman is , how many times he has jumped up in weight.

You try to name men who beat top guys across five of the original divisions and it is a damned short list. Langford, Carpentier, McLarnin, Walker, Barbados Joe Walcott and Manny.

There may be a couple of others, but not many.

[Master]

Manny Pac still has a bit to accomplish, Leonard was a great at the weight no doubt and would win.

[Mr140]

Think Leonard would stop him i don't think anyone Pac has faced would last with Leonards comp.

[ICB]

as Ice said , lt us not forget PACMAN is fighting way above his starting weight class , its unfair to throw him in with great fighters at WW etc.
it just shows how astonishing Pacman is , how many times he has jumped up in weight.

You try to name men who beat top guys across five of the original divisions and it is a damned short list. Langford, Carpentier, McLarnin, Walker, Barbados Joe Walcott and Manny.

There may be a couple of others, but not many.

ODLH, Duran,

[Mr140]

Leonard top wins are pretty hard to touch man Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and Benitez all pretty much peak. I not sure we ever got to see Leonards prime due to the Hearns fight still going with Leonard to win.

[Master]

Leonard top wins are pretty hard to touch man Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and Benitez all pretty much peak. I not sure we ever got to see Leonards prime due to the Hearns fight still going with Leonard to win.

Leonard's prime may have been the Hearns fight, that was his greatest performance for me. To beat a monster in Hearns, was the ultimate achievement. Both great fighters at their best, a rare thing and one to look back and think WOW.

[marbleheadmaui]

as Ice said , lt us not forget PACMAN is fighting way above his starting weight class , its unfair to throw him in with great fighters at WW etc.
it just shows how astonishing Pacman is , how many times he has jumped up in weight.

You try to name men who beat top guys across five of the original divisions and it is a damned short list. Langford, Carpentier, McLarnin, Walker, Barbados Joe Walcott and Manny.

There may be a couple of others, but not many.

ODLH, Duran,

Oscar didn't. He beat men at 135, 147, and 160. Duran didn't either. 126, 135, 147 and 160. I don't think he ever beat a ranked 175.