why don't pacquiao and mayweather solve everything this way?

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

All sounds very complicated. How about a good old fashioned dance off?

i mean, Random test, with a cutoff date of 1 week, mayweather might opt to test or to not test inside that cutoff week, pacquiao won't know, if he will be tested or not, but if they opt for test, the fight is delayed for 1 week, or 2. Else it wont be delayed

why didnt i think of that?

this is simple, random testing with a cutoff date, but they can test them even inside cutoff date, but if so, the fight is delayed for 1 or 2 weeks. Mayweather could even simply choose not test pacquiao in that cutoff date and pacquiao would never never test positive, knowing that it's possible that they test him in that so called cutoff date

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All sounds very complicated. How about a good old fashioned dance off?

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That would be the most appropriate course to take. Boxers these days have no regard for the classic dance offs of the past. Just dance, FFS!

the advantages will be that pacquiao will never be weak with this method, and he will be clean, and on top of that this way will detect cheaters, and cowards at the same time (if mayweather doesn't test pac inside the cutoff date he isn't a coward), also it can at the same time prove who are cowards and who are clean fighters, true intentions, and on top of that way the best boxer wins, his legacy improves tons of places in the all time list, etc etc, and if both are clean and both aren't weak, the best one gives a beating to his enemy in the fight, or well, at least maybe another more close boring result like a draw hahaha...

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

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I've got a simpler solution than that.

It's called a random blood test. It's fair, it effects both fighters in exactly the same way and if an athlete is clean he/she will have no problem doing them. And no cut off dates.

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

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I've got a simpler solution than that.

It's called a random blood test. It's fair, it effects both fighters in exactly the same way and if an athlete is clean he/she will have no problem doing them. And no cut off dates.

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If a dance off isn't going to work, then that is clearly the next best thing.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

All sounds very complicated. How about a good old fashioned dance off?

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That's not fair, Mayweather already has the experience with 'Dancing with the Stars'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SESaN7gK8c

Now, if they include karaoke singing, that would be fair.

it might be simpler, but are you completely sure that it isn't true that everyone reacts differently to a blood test? Besides these people at present are like 90% on favor of what pacquiao says, i don't understand any other arguments besides this one, i asked 2 doctors and 1 tof them said that it depends on the cutoff days and suggested 4 or 5, and the other doctor said that there weren't days of cutoff needed, i declare myself that i don't know. For me any player that rejected a test was more wrong than a cheater until i knew this argument, this is the whole point, proofs of these points instead of just opinions. I know that in the future the truth will be revealed if it hasn't yet

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Originally Posted by Memphis

All sounds very complicated. How about a good old fashioned dance off?

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That's not fair, Mayweather already has the experience with 'Dancing with the Stars'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SESaN7gK8c

Now, if they include karaoke singing, that would be fair.

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No, it's not. Have you heard Manny sing?

There is only one way to settle this properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InIxKCa3H9g

besides note that the method is random too, he can test him in any time until the fight date, do you imagine that he is found guilty? He might even dely the fight 3 consecutive weeks and test him if he wants, with this method, i guess the purpose is to test him, isn't it? Or do you think he will wait for the final week to cheat and he will be sure that mayweather will test him exactly at these times so that he could cheat in the final true cutoff date? If that's the argument then also the so called simple version of the random bloodtest is cheatable also because they can test him just 3 random times (i guess), i only see different degrees of randomness here

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

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Close this thread. That sounds stupid for lack of a better word.
Manny vs Floyd, late 2012

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Originally Posted by Ant Live

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

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Close this thread. That sounds stupid for lack of a better word.
Manny vs Floyd, late 2012

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i'm trying hard but don't see the least sign of stupidity, maybe of lack of arguments in this thread?

If this fight was held in an alley, or after school one day... The rules could work.

The unfortunate part of this is its supposed to be a sporting contest with 2 guys that don't trust each other as far as sportsmanship goes. Also, its boxing.. which means the promoters, the fans and the trainers are involved....
You cant have delays and such when you've sold tickets to a venue for a specific date.. The fans wont deal with it and neither will the the venue as they have other events booked.

Lastly, training a fighter is an art. You're trying to get the weight down and the athlete strength, speed, timing and other abilities to peak at the same time for the night of the fight. Too short a time and you're fighter doesn't have his edge.. To long and he over trains and wears himself out. Screwing with the day of the fight when trying to train a fighter is like trying to build a house of cards in a rowboat.

You'd have a horrible fight on your hands by 2 fighters that are far from mentally and physically prepared.

Tv scheduling, arena bookings, peoples travel arrangements would all be to fuck with this stupid idea. Also, the fighters would end up spending 2 weeks draining down to weight instead of just 1.

Just make Manny take true random tests. Not random but we will give you a week before the fight to take whatever the fuck you want.

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

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Originally Posted by Ant Live

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

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Close this thread. That sounds stupid for lack of a better word.
Manny vs Floyd, late 2012

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i'm trying hard but don't see the least sign of stupidity, maybe of lack of arguments in this thread?

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Don't be discouraged by such criticisms, just continue on posting what you think is right. Just be aware that it can sometimes be brutal in this forum.

Although I find your suggestion as complicated, I don't see it as stupid at all.

don't worry, they can say whatever in english and by internet and i don't care, i have a feeling that i would care if it was in real person and in spanish, i even agree with their arguments about the stupidity of this thread now. But on my favor could be that i from the start i guessed that i had like 92% to contribute on something, not 100 hahaha.

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Originally Posted by ross

Tv scheduling, arena bookings, peoples travel arrangements would all be to fuck with this stupid idea. Also, the fighters would end up spending 2 weeks draining down to weight instead of just 1.

Just make Manny take true random tests. Not random but we will give you a week before the fight to take whatever the fuck you want.

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I don't know why the insistence for a true random test without a cut-off date? If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then everyone would have been happy and I don't think you will be complaining. That drug test demand has a 14 day cut-off! Why is it that something that was good then isn't good anymore?

Anyway, Manny already expressed that he would agree to the drug test without cut-off. So, there should not be anymore argument about this.

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Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?

Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the [Mayweather] fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What [else] can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.

Link: Manny Pacquiao: Politics As Usual � Beats, Boxing and Mayhem[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by ross

Tv scheduling, arena bookings, peoples travel arrangements would all be to fuck with this stupid idea. Also, the fighters would end up spending 2 weeks draining down to weight instead of just 1.

Just make Manny take true random tests. Not random but we will give you a week before the fight to take whatever the fuck you want.

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I don't know why the insistence for a true random test without a cut-off date? If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then everyone would have been happy and I don't think you will be complaining. That drug test demand has a 14 day cut-off! Why is it that something that was good then isn't good anymore?

Anyway, Manny already expressed that he would agree to the drug test without cut-off. So, there should not be anymore argument about this.

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Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?

Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the [Mayweather] fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What [else] can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.

Link: Manny Pacquiao: Politics As Usual � Beats, Boxing and Mayhem

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I dont think there was a cut off date orginally. Also, Manny can say whatever he wants but he still hasnt fought Floyd yet.

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

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Originally Posted by ross

Tv scheduling, arena bookings, peoples travel arrangements would all be to fuck with this stupid idea. Also, the fighters would end up spending 2 weeks draining down to weight instead of just 1.

Just make Manny take true random tests. Not random but we will give you a week before the fight to take whatever the fuck you want.

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I don't know why the insistence for a true random test without a cut-off date? If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then everyone would have been happy and I don't think you will be complaining. That drug test demand has a 14 day cut-off! Why is it that something that was good then isn't good anymore?

Anyway, Manny already expressed that he would agree to the drug test without cut-off. So, there should not be anymore argument about this.

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Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?

Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the [Mayweather] fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What [else] can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.

Link: Manny Pacquiao: Politics As Usual � Beats, Boxing and Mayhem

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he doesn't care his legacy either or he doesn't want to be in a better position in the all time list, at present what i have read is lots of people saying that pacman or mayweather wouldn't have beat people like duran, hagler, leonard, hearns, jc chavez, and others, i guess this shouldn't be like this, he should be repeating those words everytime he can on the media, instead of saying that he doesn't care, it's for the fans, not for mayweather

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Originally Posted by ross

tv scheduling, arena bookings, peoples travel arrangements would all be to fuck with this stupid idea. Also, the fighters would end up spending 2 weeks draining down to weight instead of just 1.

Just make manny take true random tests. Not random but we will give you a week before the fight to take whatever the fuck you want.

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i don't know why the insistence for a true random test without a cut-off date? If manny agreed to floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then everyone would have been happy and i don't think you will be complaining. That drug test demand has a 14 day cut-off! Why is it that something that was good then isn't good anymore?

Anyway, manny already expressed that he would agree to the drug test without cut-off. So, there should not be anymore argument about this.

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beats, boxing & mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting joshua clottey?

pacquiao: [pauses] um, no. I feel like i don’t need mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the [mayweather] fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why i made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What [else] can i do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.

Link: manny pacquiao: Politics as usual � beats, boxing and mayhem

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Plus he started all this 'i'll take any test' stuff when mayweather and his trainer got into trouble with the law and a fight wouldn't have been able to be made anyway.

But any way time will tell.

I still stand by my prediction. When the ortiz fight is done pacroid will announce a new opponant so he can't fight floyd and when that fight is done floyd will have already announced his next fight and they just keep missing each other.

The fight won't happen.

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Plus he started all this 'i'll take any test' stuff when mayweather and his trainer got into trouble with the law and a fight wouldn't have been able to be made anyway.

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They have been saying “We’ll take the blood tests” since day 1 but later on go “yes, we’ll take the tests…with X amount of cutoff weeks” or “We’ll take all the tests…the official boxing tests, not the ones Floyd is asking for” and so on.

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I still stand by my prediction. When the ortiz fight is done pacroid will announce a new opponent

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That opponent will probably be Ortiz. It’s nothing new to see how Pac quickly fights those who Floyd has already beat.

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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner

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Originally Posted by ross

Tv scheduling, arena bookings, peoples travel arrangements would all be to fuck with this stupid idea. Also, the fighters would end up spending 2 weeks draining down to weight instead of just 1.

Just make Manny take true random tests. Not random but we will give you a week before the fight to take whatever the fuck you want.

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I don't know why the insistence for a true random test without a cut-off date? If Manny agreed to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation, then everyone would have been happy and I don't think you will be complaining. That drug test demand has a 14 day cut-off! Why is it that something that was good then isn't good anymore?

Anyway, Manny already expressed that he would agree to the drug test without cut-off. So, there should not be anymore argument about this.

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Beats, Boxing & Mayhem: Now, you’re willing to compromise on the blood testing. You weren’t as flexible earlier this year and walked away to take another fight. Do you regret not compromising during the first negotiations and fighting Joshua Clottey?

Pacquiao: [Pauses] Um, no. I feel like I don’t need Mayweather to make my career. I fought the best and anyone willing to face me. I want it, and feel the fans deserve the [Mayweather] fight. I want to prove to everyone that it wasn’t me who didn’t want the fight. That’s why I made the concession to take anything [blood tests] he wants at any time. Even during the fight before the sixth round if he wanted! What [else] can I do? I hope we get the fight done soon. Let’s get it on.

Link: Manny Pacquiao: Politics As Usual � Beats, Boxing and Mayhem

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I dont think there was a cut off date orginally. Also, Manny can say whatever he wants but he still hasnt fought Floyd yet.

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Mayweather wanted a 14-day cut-off on the tests, while Pacquiao wanted the random drug testing protocol to end 24-days before the fight.

Pacquiao Bends To Mayweather: Agrees To 14-Day Cut - Boxing News

And the reason there wasn't any fight after the second negotiation is because Mayweather did not want to fight. He went on vacation.

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Plus he started all this 'i'll take any test' stuff when mayweather and his trainer got into trouble with the law and a fight wouldn't have been able to be made anyway.

But any way time will tell.

I still stand by my prediction. When the ortiz fight is done pacroid will announce a new opponant so he can't fight floyd and when that fight is done floyd will have already announced his next fight and they just keep missing each other.

The fight won't happen.

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That statement is FALSE.

Pacquiao can not announce a new opponent after the Mayweather-Ortiz fight because he is already scheduled to fight Marquez. Manny would not even be fighting JMM if Floyd did not go on vacation just to come back to fight Ortiz.

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It’s nothing new to see how Pac quickly fights those who Floyd has already beat.

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And it is interesting to see that Mayweather does not even dare fight those who Pacquiao already beat ....... Cotto, Margarito, Clottey (okey, that last one is a joke). ;D

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

Plus he started all this 'i'll take any test' stuff when mayweather and his trainer got into trouble with the law and a fight wouldn't have been able to be made anyway.

But any way time will tell.

I still stand by my prediction. When the ortiz fight is done pacroid will announce a new opponant so he can't fight floyd and when that fight is done floyd will have already announced his next fight and they just keep missing each other.

The fight won't happen.

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That statement is FALSE.

Pacquiao can not announce a new opponent after the Mayweather-Ortiz fight because he is already scheduled to fight Marquez. Manny would not even be fighting JMM if Floyd did not go on vacation just to come back to fight Ortiz.

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It's even more obvious than that, before the fight with Pac vs Mosley. TR had been trying to get Mayweather to the table and made him a Guaranteed offer of $50 Million include the test demands and of course Arum comes out and says Floyd want $100 Million. Floyd denied that he said he wanted $100 Million and then said what he said was "I could make &75-$100 Million on the back end". So really he inadvertently confirmed that he rejected the $50 Million offer before announcing he's fighting Ortiz.

I don't think were going to see these two fight until it no longer matters.

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It’s nothing new to see how Pac quickly fights those who Floyd has already beat.

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And it is interesting to see that Mayweather does not even dare fight those who Pacquiao already beat ....... Cotto, Margarito, Clottey (okey, that last one is a joke). ;D

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Good points man but he faced instead the guy who totally beat Margarito. You know how it is if he beat a slow slug instead of Mosley "Oooh, why did he fight Margarito and not the guy who totally beat him (Mosley)?". As for Cotto, don't see how he would be threatened by a guy who is not known for having speed. Clottey?....;D Good one man:cool:.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

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Close this thread. That sounds stupid for lack of a better word.
Manny vs Floyd, late 2012

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When Mayweather is almost 36? It would lose some appeal I'm sure. It needs to be early 2012 hopefully before his 35th birthday in febuary. I 100% think Floyd Schools Pac but should Pac win I would hate for him to lose some credit because Mayweather was "too old" by the time they fought. And that is the way that some people would view it.

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Originally Posted by fairyrak

Why don't they solve all pacquiao mayweather thing with a 1 week delayable fight date?

Rules:
1)at most 3 random tests
2)mayweather team decides when to apply them
3)1 week cutoff date
4)mayweather team can test pac in that week but if so THE FIGHT IS DELAYED 1 week.
5)mayweather team can opt for no testing pacquiao inside that "cutoff" date, if so, the fight ISN'T delayed
6)pac is clean, may got his random test, pac isn't week, everyone wins this way!
7)got a reluctant pac? Change that 7 day cutoff for a 2 weeks
Got a reluctant may? do Also bloodtest after the fight!

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Close this thread. That sounds stupid for lack of a better word.
Manny vs Floyd, late 2012

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When Mayweather is almost 36? It would lose some appeal I'm sure. It needs to be early 2012 hopefully before his 35th birthday in febuary. I 100% think Floyd Schools Pac but should Pac win I would hate for him to lose some credit because Mayweather was "too old" by the time they fought. And that is the way that some people would view it.

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I also don't like the delay because should Floyd win I would hate for him to lose some credit because Pacquiao was "too worn out" from being in too many fights. And this is the way that some people would view it.

I just hope there won't be any excuses by the time they fight.

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

Plus he started all this 'i'll take any test' stuff when mayweather and his trainer got into trouble with the law and a fight wouldn't have been able to be made anyway.

But any way time will tell.

I still stand by my prediction. When the ortiz fight is done pacroid will announce a new opponant so he can't fight floyd and when that fight is done floyd will have already announced his next fight and they just keep missing each other.

The fight won't happen.

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That statement is FALSE.

Pacquiao can not announce a new opponent after the Mayweather-Ortiz fight because he is already scheduled to fight Marquez. Manny would not even be fighting JMM if Floyd did not go on vacation just to come back to fight Ortiz.

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LOL Well pacroid beat me to it then.

floyd will then line up an opponant for after that fight then pac will line up one......

You can argue all you want about the fine details the outcome is still the same.

The fight ain't happening, and the two will continue to fight other people.

All this lining up opponent stuff, to me by his schedule, Mayweather is just trying to keep busy, as well as keep some money coming in, whilst waiting for Manny. Wheras Manny is being milked before he loses his luster against Mayweather.