Let's be realistic - what are the odds that Haye pulls off an upset?

I'm not talking about betting odds, realistically I give Haye less then a 5% chance of knocking Wlad out, and that's Haye's only chance, because he has zero chance of "outboxing/outworking" Wlad and winning a decision.

Why does Haye have less then a 5% chance of winning and only by KO, you ask?:

#1. As mentioned, Haye has zero chance of out-boxing Wlad and winning a decision. Wlad is a much more skilled boxer, with twice the ring experience as a Pro, and at least 5 times more HW title fights. So forget about Haye winning a decision, it ain't gonna happen.

#2. Haye is "speedy" and has a bit of power, but let's be real here, it's not like Wlad hasn't faced big punchers before. These days because of his improved defense, size and reach, it's not that easy to hit Wlad with clean effective punches. Especially when you're getting a heavy jab in your face, and getting pounded with powerful straight right hands. Getting that one big shot in, that turns the fight around for Haye, will be about as likely as him winning the lottery.

#3. Manny Steward is going to have Wlad well prepared for this fight, he'll be in the best shape ever, and put on his best performance ever in front of his adopted home-crowd in Germany. I also believe we're going to see everyone of Haye's weaknesses exposed, including his chin/stamina, and lack of experience at the elite level. Haye's wild, desperate swings, in an attempt to get a KO, will only make him look like an amateur.

Anyway, that's my take, if i'm wrong, feel free to have a go at me July 3rd.
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ANOTHER Haye thread. Just what we needed. ;D

I think haye definitely has greater than a 5% chance. Although i do not doubt wlad will be puting a lot of preparation into it, you can bet haye is as well. The last power hitter wlad faced was peter, and peter was a bit slow. More importantly peter was slow in manuvering largely due to his weight and build. If i know one thing from seeing wlad fight over and over is that an opponent must be mobile in order to even hope to make use of their power. Surprisingly, chambers (who had fast hands) had no power and more to his demise, often stayed rooted to one spot right in front of wlad. So that was actually 2 things going against him. Chagaev was rumored to have power. Was the rumor true? Im still not sure but i noticed little to no latteral movement as he was fighting wlad.

If you truly believe honestly that Haye only has a 5% chance of winning then you should be placing a massive bet on Wlad, like a get half the money you own and stick it on Wlad amount. If you have done that then fairplay.

Personally I think the odds are about right, a near enough pick em fight but definite favouritism towards Wlad cos hes proven at the weight

I personally have a bet on Wlad to stop Haye in any round from 7 thru 12 at 9/2. I think thats a great wager

Realistically I'm not going to pay any attention to what a pactard has to say about boxing, because let's face it none of them have a clue about anything apart from one fighter.

Now on the subject matter the question shouldn't be what are the chances of Haye winning it should be what are the chances of haye landing first.

I don't believe either fighter is going to come out throwing bombs I expect the first three rounds to be very tactical with little going on from either man.

I give haye a 35-40% chance of landing first, taking into account wlads height and reach advantage. If haye lands first with something big he wins.

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Realistically I'm not going to pay any attention to what a pactard has to say about boxing, because let's face it none of them have a clue about anything apart from one fighter.

Now on the subject matter the question shouldn't be what are the chances of Haye winning it should be what are the chances of haye landing first.

I don't believe either fighter is going to come out throwing bombs I expect the first three rounds to be very tactical with little going on from either man.

I give haye a 35-40% chance of landing first, taking into account wlads height and reach advantage. If haye lands first with something big he wins.

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Hey Horntard, how 'bout canning the "pactard" insults OK, cocksucker? If you've ever bothered to read any of my posts, Pacquiao is just one of about 20 pugs I like to watch fight and not even my favorite, so fucking blow me asshole.
That is all.

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ANOTHER Haye thread. Just what we needed. ;D

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The fight is coming up in about 10 days, can't have enough threads about it. :)

Haye has a good chance he's a big hard punching heavy with good speed and speed kills. Wlad should be favourite though.

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Realistically I'm not going to pay any attention to what a pactard has to say about boxing, because let's face it none of them have a clue about anything apart from one fighter.

Now on the subject matter the question shouldn't be what are the chances of Haye winning it should be what are the chances of haye landing first.

I don't believe either fighter is going to come out throwing bombs I expect the first three rounds to be very tactical with little going on from either man.

I give haye a 35-40% chance of landing first, taking into account wlads height and reach advantage. If haye lands first with something big he wins.

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Hey Horntard, how 'bout canning the "pactard" insults OK, cocksucker? If you've ever bothered to read any of my posts, Pacquiao is just one of about 20 pugs I like to watch fight and not even my favorite, so fucking blow me asshole.
That is all.

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Touch a nerve did I? :lolhaha:

Oddschecker is running about

8/13 (-162) Wlad Any Means
5/4 (+120) Wlad by KO, TKO, DQ
7/2 (+350) Wlad by decision

17/10 (+170) Haye Any Means
2/1 (+200) Haye by KO, TKO, DQ
8/1 (+800) Haye by decision

44/1 (+4400) Draw

If you feel 95% certain Wlad will win those aren't bad odds to lay down some scratch. Personally I favor Wlad but only slightly 55/45 or 60/40 maybe and the punters putting down cash tend to agree with me. What looks interesting to me is Haye by decision it is possible, and paying out quite strong.

My own view is the history of the sport is that odds of more than 4 or 5-1 should almost never be exceeded. Weird stuff happens.

I think 13 belongs at the low end of that spectrum. He has one chance in five.

7-1 in favor of Wlad!

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Oddschecker is running about

8/13 (-162) Wlad Any Means
5/4 (+120) Wlad by KO, TKO, DQ
7/2 (+350) Wlad by decision

17/10 (+170) Haye Any Means
2/1 (+200) Haye by KO, TKO, DQ
8/1 (+800) Haye by decision

44/1 (+4400) Draw

If you feel 95% certain Wlad will win those aren't bad odds to lay down some scratch. Personally I favor Wlad but only slightly 55/45 or 60/40 maybe and the punters putting down cash tend to agree with me. What looks interesting to me is Haye by decision it is possible, and paying out quite strong.

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Good info Killer, I feel 95% certain that Wlad will stop this clown within 8 rounds. Wlad is going to be at his absolute peak for this fight, and ready to make a statement. I believe we're going to see a much more aggressive Wlad, not holding back from throwing his big right as he often times does. I can already tell what Manny Steward is going to tell Wlad right before the fight starts: "Go knock this mother-fucker out". :cool:

As for betting, I rarely do unless the odds are right, I wouldn't get a big enough return betting on Wlad unless I bet a shitload of money. What I really like is betting on is an underdog, when I think they have a good chance of winning.

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Realistically I'm not going to pay any attention to what a pactard has to say about boxing, because let's face it none of them have a clue about anything apart from one fighter.

Now on the subject matter the question shouldn't be what are the chances of Haye winning it should be what are the chances of haye landing first.

I don't believe either fighter is going to come out throwing bombs I expect the first three rounds to be very tactical with little going on from either man.

I give haye a 35-40% chance of landing first, taking into account wlads height and reach advantage. If haye lands first with something big he wins.

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Hey Horntard, how 'bout canning the "pactard" insults OK, cocksucker? If you've ever bothered to read any of my posts, Pacquiao is just one of about 20 pugs I like to watch fight and not even my favorite, so fucking blow me asshole.
That is all.

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Touch a nerve did I? :lolhaha:

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Not really, I just don't understand why you feel the need to act like a childish jack-off, makes me wonder if it's an ego thing, or are you just really that fucking stupid.

Anyway Horntard, have fun on my ignore list, you're my first here at Saddo.

He found openings vs Sam Peter in the first round of their fight.....he's ready to give the boxing world a first round KO....BUT, he wants to punish his opponent so he may carry him a while.

I just wonder this, Who stops the fight first: Wlad, the Ref, or the opposing corner?

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My own view is the history of the sport is that odds of more than 4 or 5-1 should almost never be exceeded. Weird stuff happens.

I think 13 belongs at the low end of that spectrum. He has one chance in five.

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True, weird things happen, maybe Wlad will get hit by lightening during the fight, or go flying out of the ring like Kermit Cintron. :) I'll still stick with my one chance in twenty, if i'm wrong you'll still have to eat as much crow as I will...
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My own view is the history of the sport is that odds of more than 4 or 5-1 should almost never be exceeded. Weird stuff happens.

I think 13 belongs at the low end of that spectrum. He has one chance in five.

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True, weird things happen, maybe Wlad will get hit by lightening during the fight, or go flying out of the ring like Kermit Cintron. :) I'll still stick with my one chance in twenty, if i'm wrong you'll still have to eat as much crow as I will...
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LOL, this is true! Like you I'm pretty comfortable though. Some here are imparting traits to 13 he has never shown as a heavy to argue his chance.

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He found openings vs Sam Peter in the first round of their fight.....he's ready to give the boxing world a first round KO....BUT, he wants to punish his opponent so he may carry him a while.

I just wonder this, Who stops the fight first: Wlad, the Ref, or the opposing corner?

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I can't see Wlad carrying Haye for a while to punish him, that's just trash talk, and there's always a possibility it could backfire.
I guarantee that there's no way that Manny Steward lets Wlad do that shit.

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Realistically I'm not going to pay any attention to what a pactard has to say about boxing, because let's face it none of them have a clue about anything apart from one fighter.

Now on the subject matter the question shouldn't be what are the chances of Haye winning it should be what are the chances of haye landing first.

I don't believe either fighter is going to come out throwing bombs I expect the first three rounds to be very tactical with little going on from either man.

I give haye a 35-40% chance of landing first, taking into account wlads height and reach advantage. If haye lands first with something big he wins.

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Hey Horntard, how 'bout canning the "pactard" insults OK, cocksucker? If you've ever bothered to read any of my posts, Pacquiao is just one of about 20 pugs I like to watch fight and not even my favorite, so fucking blow me asshole.
That is all.

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Touch a nerve did I? :lolhaha:

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Not really, I just don't understand why you feel the need to act like a childish jack-off, makes me wonder if it's an ego thing, or are you just really that fucking stupid.

Anyway Horntard, have fun on my ignore list, you're my first here at Saddo.

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This place has one of those? COOL!

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He found openings vs Sam Peter in the first round of their fight.....he's ready to give the boxing world a first round KO....BUT, he wants to punish his opponent so he may carry him a while.

I just wonder this, Who stops the fight first: Wlad, the Ref, or the opposing corner?

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I think it's the timekeeper with his tenth slap of the canvas. I really see a clean, quick KO here.

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My own view is the history of the sport is that odds of more than 4 or 5-1 should almost never be exceeded. Weird stuff happens.

I think 13 belongs at the low end of that spectrum. He has one chance in five.

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True, weird things happen, maybe Wlad will get hit by lightening during the fight, or go flying out of the ring like Kermit Cintron. :) I'll still stick with my one chance in twenty, if i'm wrong you'll still have to eat as much crow as I will...
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LOL, this is true! Like you I'm pretty comfortable though. Some here are imparting traits to 13 he has never shown as a heavy to argue his chance.

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The last Brit fighter I underestimated was Joe Calzaghe, I convinced myself that he was a paper tiger and/or an overrated fraud before his fight with Lacy. Boy was I ever wrong!

Haye however, ain't no Joe Calzaghe, his skill level is not even close to Joe's. Haye's fans can impart all the imaginary traits they want, but it ain't gonna help Haye win the fight.

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Yup, it works like a charm, click on the 'tard's profile you wanna ignore, then on the column on the left you'll see 'Add to Ignore list' click on that, confirm it, and walla, you don't see their bullshit anymore, lovely feature.

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Realistically I'm not going to pay any attention to what a pactard has to say about boxing, because let's face it none of them have a clue about anything apart from one fighter.

Now on the subject matter the question shouldn't be what are the chances of Haye winning it should be what are the chances of haye landing first.

I don't believe either fighter is going to come out throwing bombs I expect the first three rounds to be very tactical with little going on from either man.

I give haye a 35-40% chance of landing first, taking into account wlads height and reach advantage. If haye lands first with something big he wins.

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Hey Horntard, how 'bout canning the "pactard" insults OK, cocksucker? If you've ever bothered to read any of my posts, Pacquiao is just one of about 20 pugs I like to watch fight and not even my favorite, so fucking blow me asshole.
That is all.

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Touch a nerve did I? :lolhaha:

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Not really, I just don't understand why you feel the need to act like a childish jack-off, makes me wonder if it's an ego thing, or are you just really that fucking stupid.

Anyway Horntard, have fun on my ignore list, you're my first here at Saddo.

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Fantastic. You won't see me say this then will you pactard.....

Mars_ax ------> :bawling: Whaaahhhhh I'm not a pactard! Say I'm not a pactard!

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Oddschecker is running about

8/13 (-162) Wlad Any Means
5/4 (+120) Wlad by KO, TKO, DQ
7/2 (+350) Wlad by decision

17/10 (+170) Haye Any Means
2/1 (+200) Haye by KO, TKO, DQ
8/1 (+800) Haye by decision

44/1 (+4400) Draw

If you feel 95% certain Wlad will win those aren't bad odds to lay down some scratch. Personally I favor Wlad but only slightly 55/45 or 60/40 maybe and the punters putting down cash tend to agree with me. What looks interesting to me is Haye by decision it is possible, and paying out quite strong.

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Good info Killer, I feel 95% certain that Wlad will stop this clown within 8 rounds. Wlad is going to be at his absolute peak for this fight, and ready to make a statement. I believe we're going to see a much more aggressive Wlad, not holding back from throwing his big right as he often times does. I can already tell what Manny Steward is going to tell Wlad right before the fight starts: "Go knock this mother-fucker out". :cool:

As for betting, I rarely do unless the odds are right, I wouldn't get a big enough return betting on Wlad unless I bet a shitload of money. What I really like is betting on an underdog, when I think they have a good chance of winning.

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Not bad odds is an understatement. You are getting fantastic value.

You believe Wlad's odds should be 1/20 for a KO. The bookies make it 5/4.

$100 bucks on a 1/20 shot returns $105.
$100 bucks on a 5/4 shot returns $225.

IF you truly trust your judgement this is an opportunity not to miss. If you was a betting man you'd think you've won the lottery.

I think the odds are quite poor for a Haye KO win. 2/1? I thought it'd be more like 5/1

Also Haye by decision in germany should be at least 1000/1

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

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I think the odds are quite poor for a Haye KO win. 2/1? I thought it'd be more like 5/1

Also Haye by decision in germany should be at least 1000/1

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Wlad has been knocked down 50 times. Haye has a 90% KO ratio. And the unlikelihood of a Haye decision is factored into the price.

Personally, I think Haye's odds are too short. Which is making Wlad look worth a bet. However, I certainly won't be backing against Haye.

I'm going to put money on a haye KO and also I'll choose a round.

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If you feel 95% certain Wlad will win those aren't bad odds to lay down some scratch. Personally I favor Wlad but only slightly 55/45 or 60/40 maybe and the punters putting down cash tend to agree with me. What looks interesting to me is Haye by decision it is possible, and paying out quite strong.

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Good info Killer, I feel 95% certain that Wlad will stop this clown within 8 rounds. Wlad is going to be at his absolute peak for this fight, and ready to make a statement. I believe we're going to see a much more aggressive Wlad, not holding back from throwing his big right as he often times does. I can already tell what Manny Steward is going to tell Wlad right before the fight starts: "Go knock this mother-fucker out". :cool:

As for betting, I rarely do unless the odds are right, I wouldn't get a big enough return betting on Wlad unless I bet a shitload of money. What I really like is betting on an underdog, when I think they have a good chance of winning.

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Not bad odds is an understatement. You are getting fantastic value.

You believe Wlad's odds should be 1/20 for a KO. The bookies make it 5/4.

$100 bucks on a 1/20 shot returns $105.
$100 bucks on a 5/4 shot returns $225.

IF you truly trust your judgement this is an opportunity not to miss. If you was a betting man you'd think you've won the lottery.

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Not a bad return on the 5/4 shot, for Wlad, just saying, I don't bet on fights that often, but when I do it's usually a bet on an underdog who I believe has a great chance of winning. For example: if I thought Haye had a good chance of winning I might would have bet on him.

I need to at least triple or quadruple my original bet or i'm not going to mess with it.

I think haye has a gud chance of a ko win, haye has geniune ko power and is lethal at finishing fights when he hurts a man, hes also alot quicker than any1 wlads faced b4, saying that if haye gets caught no one really knows how his chin will hold up?!? At least its finally a HW clash worth watching!

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I'm not talking about betting odds, realistically I give Haye less then a 5% chance of knocking Wlad out, and that's Haye's only chance, because he has zero chance of "outboxing/outworking" Wlad and winning a decision.

Why does Haye have less then a 5% chance of winning and only by KO, you ask?:

#1. As mentioned, Haye has zero chance of out-boxing Wlad and winning a decision. Wlad is a much more skilled boxer, with twice the ring experience as a Pro, and at least 5 times more HW title fights. So forget about Haye winning a decision, it ain't gonna happen.

#2. Haye is "speedy" and has a bit of power, but let's be real here, it's not like Wlad hasn't faced big punchers before. These days because of his improved defense, size and reach, it's not that easy to hit Wlad with clean effective punches. Especially when you're getting a heavy jab in your face, and getting pounded with powerful straight right hands. Getting that one big shot in, that turns the fight around for Haye, will be about as likely as him winning the lottery.

#3. Manny Steward is going to have Wlad well prepared for this fight, he'll be in the best shape ever, and put on his best performance ever in front of his adopted home-crowd in Germany. I also believe we're going to see everyone of Haye's weaknesses exposed, including his chin/stamina, and lack of experience at the elite level. Haye's wild, desperate swings, in an attempt to get a KO, will only make him look like an amateur.

Anyway, that's my take, if i'm wrong, feel free to have a go at me July 3rd.
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I'm not talking about betting odds, realistically I give Haye less then a 5% chance of knocking Wlad out, and that's Haye's only chance, because he has zero chance of "outboxing/outworking" Wlad and winning a decision.

Why does Haye have less then a 5% chance of winning and only by KO, you ask?:

#1. As mentioned, Haye has zero chance of out-boxing Wlad and winning a decision. Wlad is a much more skilled boxer, with twice the ring experience as a Pro, and at least 5 times more HW title fights. So forget about Haye winning a decision, it ain't gonna happen.

#2. Haye is "speedy" and has a bit of power, but let's be real here, it's not like Wlad hasn't faced big punchers before. These days because of his improved defense, size and reach, it's not that easy to hit Wlad with clean effective punches. Especially when you're getting a heavy jab in your face, and getting pounded with powerful straight right hands. Getting that one big shot in, that turns the fight around for Haye, will be about as likely as him winning the lottery.

#3. Manny Steward is going to have Wlad well prepared for this fight, he'll be in the best shape ever, and put on his best performance ever in front of his adopted home-crowd in Germany. I also believe we're going to see everyone of Haye's weaknesses exposed, including his chin/stamina, and lack of experience at the elite level. Haye's wild, desperate swings, in an attempt to get a KO, will only make him look like an amateur.

Anyway, that's my take, if i'm wrong, feel free to have a go at me July 3rd.
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Your the guy who calls David Haye supporters his boyfriends/girlfriend yet all of your threads are against Haye and very pro Wlad...I'm starting to think maybe you have a man crush on 'Wlady'. Strangly enough your putting me off Wlad every time i read your posts so ill be going for a Haye KO of your secret lover in 4.

Have fun being wrong matt

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I'm not talking about betting odds, realistically I give Haye less then a 5% chance of knocking Wlad out, and that's Haye's only chance, because he has zero chance of "outboxing/outworking" Wlad and winning a decision.

Why does Haye have less then a 5% chance of winning and only by KO, you ask?:

#1. As mentioned, Haye has zero chance of out-boxing Wlad and winning a decision. Wlad is a much more skilled boxer, with twice the ring experience as a Pro, and at least 5 times more HW title fights. So forget about Haye winning a decision, it ain't gonna happen.

#2. Haye is "speedy" and has a bit of power, but let's be real here, it's not like Wlad hasn't faced big punchers before. These days because of his improved defense, size and reach, it's not that easy to hit Wlad with clean effective punches. Especially when you're getting a heavy jab in your face, and getting pounded with powerful straight right hands. Getting that one big shot in, that turns the fight around for Haye, will be about as likely as him winning the lottery.

#3. Manny Steward is going to have Wlad well prepared for this fight, he'll be in the best shape ever, and put on his best performance ever in front of his adopted home-crowd in Germany. I also believe we're going to see everyone of Haye's weaknesses exposed, including his chin/stamina, and lack of experience at the elite level. Haye's wild, desperate swings, in an attempt to get a KO, will only make him look like an amateur.

Anyway, that's my take, if i'm wrong, feel free to have a go at me July 3rd.
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Your the guy who calls David Haye supporters his boyfriends/girlfriend yet all of your threads are against Haye and very pro Wlad...I'm starting to think maybe you have a man crush on 'Wlady'. Strangly enough your putting me off Wlad every time i read your posts so ill be going for a Haye KO of your secret lover in 4.

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You seem to really dwell on this homo stuff Matt, I mean Haye supporters do seem a bit gay at times, but it's not like I mention it in every post. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but are you a peter puffer Matt?? :rolleyes:

As for me having a man crush on Wlady, I realize you're just trying to annoy me, but naaah, I don't think that way about men. I respect them for what they're able accomplish in life, enjoy being friends, fishing, drinking, forum boxing buds with some of them, but when it comes sex, it's all about women for me.

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Obviously as the matchmakers have it.. It is only a minor upset. When is the last time Wlad was listed this close to an opponent odds-wise?
And whoever thinks there is going to be a littel feeling out in the first 3 rounds is drastically wrong. The longer the fight goes the worse chance Haye has. I think he will be able to to box some with Wlad and win exchanges, but he will not win against a downhill-jackhammer jab.

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Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.
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I was thinking about this last night. Ali over Liston was what I came up with. The oddsmakers don't agree with me, but that's how shocked I'd be. I think Haye is thoroughly overmatched.

This would be one of the 5-6 biggest surprises to me in my boxing life.

Ali over Foreman (I was rooting for it, just didn't think it was possible)
Leon Spinks over Ali
Kirkland Laing over Duran (Kirkland freaking Liang?)
The Ragamuffin Man over Donald Curry
Salvador Sanchez (who?) over Danny Little Red Lopez
Vilomar Fernandez over Alexis Arguello

If Haye wins? This fight goes on that list.

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And whoever thinks there is going to be a littel feeling out in the first 3 rounds is drastically wrong. The longer the fight goes the worse chance Haye has. I think he will be able to to box some with Wlad and win exchanges, but he will not win against a downhill-jackhammer jab.

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The matchmakers aren't going to be able to sell a fight saying that Haye has no chance, it has to seem like Haye is a real threat to tap Wlad's "glass chin" and knock him out. I'll say this for Haye, for as little as he's been able to accomplish at the elite/championship level, he's done a hell of job hyping himself, and promoting this fight.

Unless Wlad just comes out and pulverizes Haye in the 1st couple rounds, (which isn't likely) Haye figures to have his moments. Like i've said in other threads/posts, every time Haye lands a jab or a love tap on Wlad, the Brit announcers and Haye's fans will be pissing themselves with excitement. Hell, Haye might even land a decent wild shot or 2, but ultimately, reality will set in for Haye, and Wlad's skill level, size, experience and punching power will dominate the action.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by erics44

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

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Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes to Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.
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by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

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I wouldn't put it in the same category as say, Tyson - Douglas, but Lewis - Rahman I, comes to mind. If Haye KOs Wlad this would have to be one of the bigger HW upsets in years.
I think the main reason you believe it would not be a big upset, is you're overrating Haye and underrating Wlad.

Between his fights some people have an odd habit of forgetting just how dominant Wlad can be in the ring.

They have the same simplistic arguments the previous fighter had. "Wlad hasn't fought anyone", "He's boring", "He can't take the punches I'll throw", etc.

Yet Wlad will dissect this guy like all the rest.

Its going to be a shut out baby!