Would Lennox Stand a chance if he made a comeback at 45?

Big George was 45 when he won the title and the division is so low on challenges for Wlad now that I don't think it would take Lennox long to get the offer. I can't believe I am even thinking about this, but I really just don't see where any challenges to the Klits are coming from.

Don't know whether he has the will to get in shape now but he certainly sounded half interested to me last night. He actually said when they asked him if £50 million was enough that he would take his pyjamas off for that amount!

Maybe I am reading too much into it?

I highly doubt it. You got to remember old george would take a shit ton to dish one out, plus if moorer didn't just stand in front of him and did what atlas told him it may have never happened. Lennox was great but highly doubt he would even be 50 percent of what he once was. Granted tho he could probably still beat most of the division but wlad and vitali would be to much, and who knows maybe a few others.

Against half of the top tens? Yup, he'd stand a chance. But the Ukranians and some others would make this seem like a really bad idea.

Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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Against half of the top tens? Yup, he'd stand a chance. But the Ukranians and some others would make this seem like a really bad idea.

Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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I do agree with this post, I think Lennox had a better chin than he has sometimes been given credit for though. Not iron but he took some good shots off Tua that would suggest he was not quite so chinny as he is sometimes regarded and that big right hand he took off Vitali, wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng

Please, please, PLEASE do not compare Lennox Lewis in terms of a comeback bid with the Big Fabulous Destroyer George Foreman. No way, no way. One of the ONLY reasons Foreman accomplished that was due to his, as others have said above, ROCK of GIBRALTAR chin.

CAN ANYONE ON THIS BOXING FORUM IMAGINE LENNOX LEWIS TAKING 23 UNANSWERED BOMBS FRM HOLYFIELD AND REMAIN STANDING???

Case closed. :cool: Old Lennox better stay retired.

In his prime he'd smash Wlad with ease.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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In his prime he'd smash Wlad with ease.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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So you think Lewis' chin was like Tyson's, or Holyfield's, or Bowe's, or Foreman's, or Ali's, or Frazier's, or Quarry's, or Holmes', or Lyle's? WHICH ONE OF THOSE WAS SMOKED BY 2 BUMS IN HIS PRIME? Was Ali smoked in '71 by Frazier's left hook in the 15th round? Was Lyle smoked by a prime Foreman's scores and scores of clubbing shots? Was Frazier smoked by any single shot by Foreman? Was Bowe smoked by any of Holyfield's bombs?

Lennox Lewis would have been smoked by that Frazier left hook in the 15th round in 1971. Lennox Lewis would have been smoked by ONE of Foreman's bombs against Frazier. Lennox Lewis would have been smoked by ONE of Earnie Shavers' overhand rights that floored Holmes and he got up at 7 and almost won the round with 2 minutes left. etc....

ADAMGB IS SMOKING SOME FUNNY SHIT. :cool:

It has bad idea written all over but I can understand the potential excitement linked to such comeback. As it has been mentioned, the chin issue (compared to Foreman) is quite a bit issue here and I am not sure that Lewis was living a Hopkins spartan life so to speak. It could have been "possible" and interesting up to 3-4 years ago but now it's definitely too late for that.

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Against half of the top tens? Yup, he'd stand a chance. But the Ukranians and some others would make this seem like a really bad idea.

Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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I do agree with this post, I think Lennox had a better chin than he has sometimes been given credit for though. Not iron but he took some good shots off Tua that would suggest he was not quite so chinny as he is sometimes regarded and that big right hand he took off Vitali, wow.

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Agreed. Lewis was only ever floored twice in his entire career. Tyson, Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Bowe etc have all been down more often than Lewis. I think its just something haters say cuz Tua, Rudduck, Briggs, Vitali and Tyson were all punchers who landed flush on Lennox and couldnt drop him.

I dont think Lennox will come back though. He is too smart for that.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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So you think Lewis' chin was like Tyson's, or Holyfield's, or Bowe's, or Foreman's, or Ali's, or Frazier's, or Quarry's, or Holmes', or Lyle's? WHICH ONE OF THOSE WAS SMOKED BY 2 BUMS IN HIS PRIME? Was Ali smoked in '71 by Frazier's left hook in the 15th round? Was Lyle smoked by a prime Foreman's scores and scores of clubbing shots? Was Frazier smoked by any single shot by Foreman? Was Bowe smoked by any of Holyfield's bombs?

Lennox Lewis would have been smoked by that Frazier left hook in the 15th round in 1971. Lennox Lewis would have been smoked by ONE of Foreman's bombs against Frazier. Lennox Lewis would have been smoked by ONE of Earnie Shavers' overhand rights that floored Holmes and he got up at 7 and almost won the round with 2 minutes left. etc....

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This is Heavy Weight boxing... Anybody can be dropped. :vd: You don't do what Lewis did with a glass jaw. Please show me where I said that Lewis' chin was granite or one of the divisions best.

What? You can't? Because all I said was that it wasn't glass.

It seems that some people here only work in absolutes and need to learn what a 'middle ground' is before they get excited and type redundant crap.

The punches that knocked lewis down twice in his career would have knocked out any heavyweight at the time. Lewis was and is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time..and avenged all his losses..

No chance would he stand a chance. Vitali would clearly want to be first in line and he would beat down on a middle aged Lewis.

He COULD have a successful one-fight comeback.
Guess against who.

Then... he could retire again.

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The punches that knocked lewis down twice in his career would have knocked out any heavyweight at the time. Lewis was and is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time..and avenged all his losses..

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Yup, all the clowns that say other HWs would've stood up from that Rahman punch are having a laugh ;)

Also... getting caught by 2 very good shots in career as long has Lewis's at Heavyweight is no disgrace. He was never in a fight where he was outboxed or beaten down (say like Frazier against Foreman for example) Being schooled or bullied for 12 rounds would've been far more damaging to his legacy imo. This is heavyweight boxing. If you get hit flush by shots like that you are going down.

I dont think Lewis had a bad chin at all really. But at 45, never fast of foot and last fight a give and take war with Vitali its the last thing you want to point to as being in top form.

He should stay retired and maintain self respect and pride he's always shown. And don't EVER let himself be put out front and left standing there pointlessly to promote a hype job like Haye again.

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In his prime he'd smash Wlad with ease.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Laughable innit. A 34-2 journeyman

I think the biggest problem for Lennox would be his speed, at 45 you'd got to think his jab and over hand right would be dead slow. He was showing signs of it vs Vitali, but Lewis was badly out of shape for that one. Although looking at Lennox, he looks fresh as a daisy! What's so exciting is that with his hight and reach, he would not have to leap in with punches against Wlad. He can throw bombs over the top, it can be an even fight for a change as far as size.

I think the current state of the heavyweight devision upsets Lennox, he's coming to more and more fights, it's clear part of him wants to come back so badly.

Instead of treating boxing like fantasy football/top trumps he should actually watch the fights and his knowledge of boxing to assess what he's seeing.

He took two massive shots from two strong 240-250lb guys... Not exactly love taps :rolleyes:

If your chin takes 250lbs on the chin I don't think it cares what the guys record or skill level :vd:

Its boxing, not top trumps... The issue wasn't a glass jaw, it was that he got lazy and got caught when he shouldn't of.

Lennox was great fighter, but he's older, slower, and he's happily retired. Its sad he didn't the credit he deserved as he was fighting. He really proved his mettle vs Vitali in the last big time heavyweight fight that lived up to the hype (Brewster vs Liakhovich is still a classic war though).

Something that puzzles me is who would train him?

Lewis isn't stupid enough to try and stage a comeback at his age. That's the bottom line.

He got out at exactly the right time and he knows it.

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In his prime he'd smash Wlad with ease.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Um, nope. I said Wlad had beaten ten ranked guys in eleven fights. The eleventh guy? Hasim Rahman. Nice try though.

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Instead of treating boxing like fantasy football/top trumps he should actually watch the fights and his knowledge of boxing to assess what he's seeing.

He took two massive shots from two strong 240-250lb guys... Not exactly love taps :rolleyes:

If your chin takes 250lbs on the chin I don't think it cares what the guys record or skill level :vd:

Its boxing, not top trumps... The issue wasn't a glass jaw, it was that he got lazy and got caught when he shouldn't of.

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Can't answer the question huh?

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Laughable innit. A 34-2 journeyman

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LOL, 34-2 tells you something? So Chavez jr must be a legend at what 44-0? Records without context mean nothing. His biggest win going in was who exactly? Sanders? He'd been drilled by both Tua and Maskaev before that fight. Rahman is a journeyman.

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Lennox was great fighter, but he's older, slower, and he's happily retired. Its sad he didn't the credit he deserved as he was fighting. He really proved his mettle vs Vitali in the last big time heavyweight fight that lived up to the hype (Brewster vs Liakhovich is still a classic war though).

Something that puzzles me is who would train him?

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There's a guy who gets it.

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Lennox was great fighter, but he's older, slower, and he's happily retired. Its sad he didn't the credit he deserved as he was fighting. He really proved his mettle vs Vitali in the last big time heavyweight fight that lived up to the hype (Brewster vs Liakhovich is still a classic war though).

Something that puzzles me is who would train him?

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Why? Nobody has disagreed with this. It is not the same discussion as to whether Rahman was a Journeyman.

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In his prime he'd smash Wlad with ease.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Laughable innit. A 34-2 journeyman

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LOL, 34-2 tells you something? So Chavez jr must be a legend at what 44-0? Records without context mean nothing. His biggest win going in was who exactly? Sanders? He'd been drilled by both Tua and Maskaev before that fight. Rahman is a journeyman.

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I've had serious probs with Rahman in a couple but as you say records needs proper context. That Tua loss was far from clean and though excuses are like A-holes he was doing very well in both bouts before he was caught with bricks outta a dark alley. In no fashion was he then getting pasted like a journeyman? Ring mag had him ranked in top 10, that used to mean something.

I think Lewis looking at him as just a journeyman and taking things for granted helped contribute to him staring at the lights.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Laughable innit. A 34-2 journeyman

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LOL, 34-2 tells you something? So Chavez jr must be a legend at what 44-0? Records without context mean nothing. His biggest win going in was who exactly? Sanders? He'd been drilled by both Tua and Maskaev before that fight. Rahman is a journeyman.

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He was beating both Tua and Maskaev before being stopped, but regardless, losing to those 2 does not make you a journeyman. Beating Corrie Sanders (who levelled Wlad) does not make you a journeyman.

So was JCC a journeyman at 44-0. Not being alegend and being a journeyman are not even in the same ball park. Journeyman do not get to 34-2

I think it is a bit harsh to call Rahman a journeyman, although it probably does apply to McCall.

The fact that Lewis was knocked cold by a couple of mediocre fighters does mean he was slightly vulnerable and probably didn't have the best chin the world has ever seen, but I don't see how anyone can say he had a glass jaw.

At the end of the day he avenged his defeats and he retired at the top, which sets him apart from a lot of the great heavyweight champions.

Lewis is unfortunate that he wasn't around when Tyson was in his prime. By the time he got hold of Tyson, Mike was way past his best, overweight and clearly not all that interested anymore. He also met Holyfield on the way down and never fought Bowe either. He was kind of in the right place at the right time and I think that is why some people don't give him the credit he deserves.

I would love to have seen him take on a prime Tyson, Holyfield or Bowe. I think he could have beaten Holyfield and Bowe, but I'm not so sure about a prime Tyson. I think Mike might have been too quick for him.

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In his prime he'd smash Wlad with ease.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Laughable innit. A 34-2 journeyman

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LOL, 34-2 tells you something? So Chavez jr must be a legend at what 44-0? Records without context mean nothing. His biggest win going in was who exactly? Sanders? He'd been drilled by both Tua and Maskaev before that fight. Rahman is a journeyman.

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He was beating both Tua and Maskaev before being stopped, but regardless, losing to those 2 does not make you a journeyman. Beating Corrie Sanders (who levelled Wlad) does not make you a journeyman.

So was JCC a journeyman at 44-0. Not being alegend and being a journeyman are not even in the same ball park. Journeyman do not get to 34-2

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Chavez jr has! Marco Rubio was 34-2-1 at one point. The sport's history is LOADED with guys who started out like that and then fizzled at the top level and went into declines.

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Instead of treating boxing like fantasy football/top trumps he should actually watch the fights and his knowledge of boxing to assess what he's seeing.

He took two massive shots from two strong 240-250lb guys... Not exactly love taps :rolleyes:

If your chin takes 250lbs on the chin I don't think it cares what the guys record or skill level :vd:

Its boxing, not top trumps... The issue wasn't a glass jaw, it was that he got lazy and got caught when he shouldn't of.

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Can't answer the question huh?

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Your response to my post is even more redundant than your question was. Didn't and can't are two different things.

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Instead of treating boxing like fantasy football/top trumps he should actually watch the fights and his knowledge of boxing to assess what he's seeing.

He took two massive shots from two strong 240-250lb guys... Not exactly love taps :rolleyes:

If your chin takes 250lbs on the chin I don't think it cares what the guys record or skill level :vd:

Its boxing, not top trumps... The issue wasn't a glass jaw, it was that he got lazy and got caught when he shouldn't of.

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Can't answer the question huh?

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Your response to my post is even more redundant than your question was. Didn't and can't are two different things.

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LOL, not in this case it isn't ;)

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Instead of treating boxing like fantasy football/top trumps he should actually watch the fights and his knowledge of boxing to assess what he's seeing.

He took two massive shots from two strong 240-250lb guys... Not exactly love taps :rolleyes:

If your chin takes 250lbs on the chin I don't think it cares what the guys record or skill level :vd:

Its boxing, not top trumps... The issue wasn't a glass jaw, it was that he got lazy and got caught when he shouldn't of.

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Can't answer the question huh?

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Your response to my post is even more redundant than your question was. Didn't and can't are two different things.

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Instead of treating boxing like fantasy football/top trumps he should actually watch the fights and his knowledge of boxing to assess what he's seeing.

He took two massive shots from two strong 240-250lb guys... Not exactly love taps :rolleyes:

If your chin takes 250lbs on the chin I don't think it cares what the guys record or skill level :vd:

Its boxing, not top trumps... The issue wasn't a glass jaw, it was that he got lazy and got caught when he shouldn't of.

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Can't answer the question huh?

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Your response to my post is even more redundant than your question was. Didn't and can't are two different things.

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Not in this case ;)

I'd wager that both guys hit harder and were better rated than Sonny banks... But you'd have to ask Ali and his well known glass jaw about that.

But I digress... Rather than playing your silly top trumps/trivia game I'm just going to repeat myself and advise you to watch Lewis' knock downs and tell me if he was hit with love taps or huge heavyweight punches that landed right on the money?

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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The same guy everyone is now lauding, Wlad. He ain't undefeated either. Anyone can be beat, especially at heavyweight.

Wlad and Lennox are a lot alike. Sure Lennox had better talent to test himself against, but Wlad has fought everyone he can and beaten them. Both men took their eyes off the prize at a few points in their careers, but they regrouped and were better fighters because of their losses.

But if were talking about Lennox coming back at 45 and fighting Wlad or Vitali. I just don't give him a good chance because he's been retired for so long and hell the guy retired on top he's not coming back, why worry about it?

Lennox was a great fighter but he's retired now and he'll stay that way. Wlad is in his prime, he's going to be around for a few more years I think boxing fans should try to show him some respect.

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Foreman's chin was titanium. Lennox's was, ahem, not.

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If you think lewis' jaw was glass then you must know less about boxing than I thought.

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Lewis was knocked out by two different journeymen while in his prime. I can't think of another heavyweight one might argue is great of whom that is true. Can you?

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Journeymen?

So Rahman is a top contender when you're dealing with Wlad but a journeyman for Lewis? Funny.

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Hasim Rahman had pretty high KO precentage, and had some good performances. He beat a prime Corrie Sanders in a fantastic Heavyweight scrap, and was beating David Tua by a large margin until he got caught late on.

But i disagree with BIG H and imp's comment, Larry Holmes took a right hand bomb. Flush on the chin by one of the hardest hitting Heavyweight's Earnie Shavers, and was up within 4 seconds.

I know i've repeated that comment a few times, but im a bit sick of reading that those two punches Lennox Lewis got KO'ed with would of KO'd any Heavyweight in history, the Oliver McCall one wasn't even that devastating.

And Riddick Bowe got smashed by 72 power punches by Andrew Golota in one round, and survived. There's plenty of Heavyweight's who were tougher than Lennox Lewis, but there's few who were as skilled as him.

Many here said about 5 or 6 years ago that if Tyson could get into shape and be 50 percent of what he once was he would be champ again. We saw how that turned out. I don't think Lennox wants to make a comeback and that's enough to say no to the threads title question.