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Instead of Benn, what if at that time Eubanks fought the G man. Chris was not the same e fighter he was when he was a middleweight, and the second fight with Watson but he had a great chin and if pushed he could fight back as his will to win was second to none. Could Eubanks have beaten Gerald?
Great match up i think Chris Eubank would of stopped him late on, this would of been one of those nights where Chris Eubank would of been forced to show how great he was.
I just can't see that! 'G Man' was too active for Eubank - he wouldn't have been able to just do enough like he always did. He wouldn't have been able to live with the work rate. Eubbank's chin was cast iron, so assuming G' Man' could go 12, he would win UD imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
You could be right but i just think Chris Eubank, would be put in situation like he was against Benn 1, Watson 2. Where he would show how great he was, remember Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his pro career.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI just can't see that! 'G Man' was too active for Eubank - he wouldn't have been able to just do enough like he always did. He wouldn't have been able to live with the work rate. Eubbank's chin was cast iron, so assuming G' Man' could go 12, he would win UD imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So i don't know if he could survive the full distance, with a motivated Chris Eubank. Who could hit very hard when he had to aswell see John Jarvis fight.
G-Man never was in a long, tough fight but once and it almost killed him. There is no way Eubank doesn't make this a long grueling fight.
Doesn't one have to conclude that G-man simply didn't have the physical constitution for that kind of fight and Eubank would have won and maybe hurt him as well?
We only don't know if he could 'go long' in a fight, becuase he never had to. The only time he did it wasn't fatigue that stopped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I think thats a bit unfair considering he was damaged goods before he came over for that fight. Sickening to think just how many people knew about it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I didn't make myself clear enough. The only time he was in a long fight his skull, neck muscles etc were unable to prevent his brain from being nearly fatally damaged. That's what I mean by physical constitution. He was like Meldrick Taylor in that his body just wasn't capable of dealing with being struck repeatedly without being permanently damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWe only don't know if he could 'go long' in a fight, becuase he never had to. The only time he did it wasn't fatigue that stopped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Who knows? I suspect what happend was just one of those horrible freak accidents that sometimes happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiI didn't make myself clear enough. The only time he was in a long fight his skull, neck muscles etc were unable to prevent his brain from being nearly fatally damaged. That's what I mean by physical constitution. He was like Meldrick Taylor in that his body just wasn't capable of dealing with being struck repeatedly without being permanently damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWe only don't know if he could 'go long' in a fight, becuase he never had to. The only time he did it wasn't fatigue that stopped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I dunno. When a guy who has never been in a tough fight before gets permanently damaged in his first grueling fight? I think it's likely that's telling us something. But no way to know for sure of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWho knows? I suspect what happend was just one of those horrible freak accidents that sometimes happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiI didn't make myself clear enough. The only time he was in a long fight his skull, neck muscles etc were unable to prevent his brain from being nearly fatally damaged. That's what I mean by physical constitution. He was like Meldrick Taylor in that his body just wasn't capable of dealing with being struck repeatedly without being permanently damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HWe only don't know if he could 'go long' in a fight, becuase he never had to. The only time he did it wasn't fatigue that stopped him.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
It was his rough sparring session's that caused it, he also took a few hard knocks off Julian Jackson in there 1st fight that didn't help either.
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Originally Posted by MemphisI think thats a bit unfair considering he was damaged goods before he came over for that fight. Sickening to think just how many people knew about it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I don't think i have heard that before, how come was he already carrying injuries or something?
I have read the book 'war, baby' which may have talked about what you have mentioned but i can't remember as it was years ago.
So it wasn't Nigel Benn who turned him into a cabbage then ???
He was already having bad headaches before the Nigel Benn fight. It would of happened regardless i think, as i said his sparring session's were very rough. And taking shots off Julian Jackson who hits like a truck doesn't help either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
I've read acounts of people who think G-Man was sent over here to get hurt, I dont know if I can let myself go along with anything as sinister as that but he was showing the distress signs everyone saw later in the fight pretty much from he first bell. He went at Benn like a looney from the off, could have been because he'd promised a first round knockout but I reckon he knew himself that he was damaged and I think Manny knew about it too hence him jumping ship before he went back in with Jackson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe was already having bad headaches before the Nigel Benn fight. It would of happened regardless i think, as i said his sparring session's were very rough. And taking shots off Julian Jackson who hits like a truck doesn't help either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
John Jarvis was a nobody brought in to make Eubank look good , he had been koed 3 times , and qualified for the Eubank fight by being KOED in 3 in his last fight by the light punching Darrin van Horne.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou could be right but i just think Chris Eubank, would be put in situation like he was against Benn 1, Watson 2. Where he would show how great he was, remember Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his pro career.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI just can't see that! 'G Man' was too active for Eubank - he wouldn't have been able to just do enough like he always did. He wouldn't have been able to live with the work rate. Eubbank's chin was cast iron, so assuming G' Man' could go 12, he would win UD imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So i don't know if he could survive the full distance, with a motivated Chris Eubank. Who could hit very hard when he had to aswell see John Jarvis fight.
G-man would have been to much for him, and for me would have stopped him with constant pressure or by UD.
and for the record Eubank was never even close to being called GREAT!
nail on the head. no disrespect to eubanks...he was a very good fighter...but gerald was a BEAST. it's not his fault many of his fights didn't go late because he took care of business early. just an awesome combination of power, skill, and pressure...he could KO you both to the head and body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlJohn Jarvis was a nobody brought in to make Eubank look good , he had been koed 3 times , and qualified for the Eubank fight by being KOED in 3 in his last fight by the light punching Darrin van Horne.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou could be right but i just think Chris Eubank, would be put in situation like he was against Benn 1, Watson 2. Where he would show how great he was, remember Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his pro career.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI just can't see that! 'G Man' was too active for Eubank - he wouldn't have been able to just do enough like he always did. He wouldn't have been able to live with the work rate. Eubbank's chin was cast iron, so assuming G' Man' could go 12, he would win UD imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So i don't know if he could survive the full distance, with a motivated Chris Eubank. Who could hit very hard when he had to aswell see John Jarvis fight.
G-man would have been to much for him, and for me would have stopped him with constant pressure or by UD.
and for the record Eubank was never even close to being called GREAT!
Im not saying John Jarvis was anything special, i was just saying Chris Eubank could really punch when he was motivated. And when he was tested he did have great attributes, you don't win 20 world title fights without having something special about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlJohn Jarvis was a nobody brought in to make Eubank look good , he had been koed 3 times , and qualified for the Eubank fight by being KOED in 3 in his last fight by the light punching Darrin van Horne.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou could be right but i just think Chris Eubank, would be put in situation like he was against Benn 1, Watson 2. Where he would show how great he was, remember Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his pro career.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI just can't see that! 'G Man' was too active for Eubank - he wouldn't have been able to just do enough like he always did. He wouldn't have been able to live with the work rate. Eubbank's chin was cast iron, so assuming G' Man' could go 12, he would win UD imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So i don't know if he could survive the full distance, with a motivated Chris Eubank. Who could hit very hard when he had to aswell see John Jarvis fight.
G-man would have been to much for him, and for me would have stopped him with constant pressure or by UD.
and for the record Eubank was never even close to being called GREAT!
Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his career, apart from the 1st Julian Jackson fight but Julian Jackson was on the downslide.
Outside of that his only other real notable win, was against a washed up John Mugabi who had already been dismantled by Terry Norris.
So it's hard to tell if he could of lasted the full 12, with a motivated Chris Eubank. When before the Nigel Benn fight he'd only ever gone 8 rounds.
yes ok some fair points Ice , but winning 20 world title fights isnt so hard when you fight guys like , Jarvis , Sherry , Schommer , Close , Essett , etc , fact is Eubank lost about 5 fights according to most experts , but got split points wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIm not saying John Jarvis was anything special, i was just saying Chris Eubank could really punch when he was motivated. And when he was tested he did have great attributes, you don't win 20 world title fights without having something special about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlJohn Jarvis was a nobody brought in to make Eubank look good , he had been koed 3 times , and qualified for the Eubank fight by being KOED in 3 in his last fight by the light punching Darrin van Horne.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou could be right but i just think Chris Eubank, would be put in situation like he was against Benn 1, Watson 2. Where he would show how great he was, remember Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his pro career.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI just can't see that! 'G Man' was too active for Eubank - he wouldn't have been able to just do enough like he always did. He wouldn't have been able to live with the work rate. Eubbank's chin was cast iron, so assuming G' Man' could go 12, he would win UD imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So i don't know if he could survive the full distance, with a motivated Chris Eubank. Who could hit very hard when he had to aswell see John Jarvis fight.
G-man would have been to much for him, and for me would have stopped him with constant pressure or by UD.
and for the record Eubank was never even close to being called GREAT!
Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his career, apart from the 1st Julian Jackson fight but Julian Jackson was on the downslide.
Outside of that his only other real notable win, was against a washed up John Mugabi who had already been dismantled by Terry Norris.
So it's hard to tell if he could of lasted the full 12, with a motivated Chris Eubank. When before the Nigel Benn fight he'd only ever gone 8 rounds.
I read an old boxing news the other day , they had Eubank losing 7 of 10 fights they examined.
Eubank had a great chin , but couldnt handle constant pressure , i just dont see him beating G-MAN.
Ray close - Collins gave Eubank hell throwing lots of leather , but niether could punch.
Eubanks himself was damaged in the sense he did not like to finish opponents when he had them hurt, but I think he would have been forced by the G Man to stop Gerald. Eubanks had a spirit that would not be denied.
G Man was complaining of headaches after the Julian Jackson fight which was brutal, and he only started winning that after a headbutt. I do think he was brought to the UK to take the title from Benn. They did not expect Benn to put that much of a fight.
Would have been an interesting one.
Its one of those - I always fancied Eubank slightly over Benn in a match up , maybe he just had his number. But at the same time I always thought Benn would fare better against the world's elite than Eubankwith his pure warrior style.
It was Nigel's punching power that wore g-man down that night and Eubank couldn't hit like Benn. G-man would dominate the early stages but doubt he could have taken Eubank out. With this in mind I would say that G-man would maybe edge a close decision.
mate eubank had a chin of steal, maybe a ud but he definately wouldnt have stopped himQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlJohn Jarvis was a nobody brought in to make Eubank look good , he had been koed 3 times , and qualified for the Eubank fight by being KOED in 3 in his last fight by the light punching Darrin van Horne.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou could be right but i just think Chris Eubank, would be put in situation like he was against Benn 1, Watson 2. Where he would show how great he was, remember Gerald McClellan was never really tested in his pro career.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI just can't see that! 'G Man' was too active for Eubank - he wouldn't have been able to just do enough like he always did. He wouldn't have been able to live with the work rate. Eubbank's chin was cast iron, so assuming G' Man' could go 12, he would win UD imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So i don't know if he could survive the full distance, with a motivated Chris Eubank. Who could hit very hard when he had to aswell see John Jarvis fight.
G-man would have been to much for him, and for me would have stopped him with constant pressure or by UD.
and for the record Eubank was never even close to being called GREAT!
and if eubank wasnt great then he was pretty damn close
especially since he is still one of the most talked about and written about boxers in history
Chris Eubank could hit very hard when motivated, and if Nigel Benn who's chin wasn't great survived against Gerald McClellan. Then Chris Eubank would for 100 percent not get KO'ed, i mean he did take huge shots off a big punching Cruiserweight without tasting the canvas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I think Gerald McClellan is getting a bit overrated here, sure he looked very good with his early knockouts. But who did he ever really beat ? and he was outpointed twice. And was never really in a tough fight against an elite opponent.
So im going with the tougher and much more proven, Chris Eubank any day of the week.
The second Eubank v Watson fight , when watsons constant pressure dropped eubank , thats how i see the fight going.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBChris Eubank could hit very hard when motivated, and if Nigel Benn who's chin wasn't great survived against Gerald McClellan. Then Chris Eubank would for 100 percent not get KO'ed, i mean he did take huge shots off a big punching Cruiserweight without tasting the canvas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I think Gerald McClellan is getting a bit overrated here, sure he looked very good with his early knockouts. But who did he ever really beat ? and he was outpointed twice. And was never really in a tough fight against an elite opponent.
So im going with the tougher and much more proven, Chris Eubank any day of the week.
but im not doubting eubanks chin, it was steel.
Im with Marktko who said eubank beat benn , but benn does better against other top fighters.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThe second Eubank v Watson fight , when watsons constant pressure dropped eubank , thats how i see the fight going.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBChris Eubank could hit very hard when motivated, and if Nigel Benn who's chin wasn't great survived against Gerald McClellan. Then Chris Eubank would for 100 percent not get KO'ed, i mean he did take huge shots off a big punching Cruiserweight without tasting the canvas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I think Gerald McClellan is getting a bit overrated here, sure he looked very good with his early knockouts. But who did he ever really beat ? and he was outpointed twice. And was never really in a tough fight against an elite opponent.
So im going with the tougher and much more proven, Chris Eubank any day of the week.
but im not doubting eubanks chin, it was steel.
Im with the guy who said eubank beat benn , but benn does better against other top fighters.
Michael Watson had a better much defense though, and that was arguably the fight of his life. Infact i think that Michael Watson would of beaten Gerald McClellan.
McClellan never won a 12 round fight. Eubank has an iron chin. Arguably Eubank fought better the more dangerous the opponent.
There's only one winner here and it ain't G-man.
(probably been controversial though)
Agreed about both the above posts :)
I like McClellan vs the '95 Eubank. Eubank could be out hustled and Gerald was not just some club swinging bomber regardless of early kos over undeniably some guys straight out of a witness protection program. He had some fast hands and was a crippling body hitter too. The guy could box , flat out. His probs early were tension with Manny, shit sparring, numerous fights falling through and putting on damn near 12-15 lbs on fight night on occasion. When he split with Manny he was making improvments but he and others were badly mistaken going into Benn fight. All the blab about Benns glass chin, Benn losing his punch and trying to be a boxer. The best thing that happened to Nigel and the worst for Gerald was damn near decapitating Benn right off the bat. Benn just instantly reverted into his roots and went free swinging, feet planted bomber. Had he stayed out, tried to box and not be prepared to be badly ko'd himself I think Gerald may have power boxed him down the stretch. He started the fight from the ko and had no choice to maintain at fever pitch or fall. I think he approaches Eubank much wiser and with much less assumption. Different mental make up, style, power etc between Benn & Eubank.
Coz he never fought one! Never needed to ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
What work rate??Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
McClellan was never a swarmer. He would circle opponents and use his jab as a range-finder, and rely on amazing timing. He had extremely heavy hands, that's for sure.
He was taller and rangier than Eubank, but Eubank was almost impossible to hit cleanly with a jab or straight combination due to his perception (slightly out of range) and reflexes (subtle head movement). They were both massive, coming in at 180+ and remaining chiseled.
Eubank shifted his body better, moved his feet better, doubled his jab faster and threw more right hands to the body, and had much more flexibility, so I would go with Eubank to out-box Gerald in a chess-type match with McClellan looking for the big overarm right and getting frustrated.
Ahh.. but he lost twice over 8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HCoz he never fought one! Never needed to ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If Eubank didn't have an iron chin I bet no-one would give him a chance.
Also - If Benn-G-Man never happened 99% would believe it ridiculous that Benn had a chance.
Th 8 rounders were just after he turned pro though, to be fairQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterAhh.. but he lost twice over 8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HCoz he never fought one! Never needed to ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If Eubank didn't have an iron chin I bet no-one would give him a chance.
Also - If Benn-G-Man never happened 99% would believe it ridiculous that Benn had a chance.
That fact is true, no one would have thought Benn would have beaten Gerald.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterAhh.. but he lost twice over 8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HCoz he never fought one! Never needed to ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
If Eubank didn't have an iron chin I bet no-one would give him a chance.
Also - If Benn-G-Man never happened 99% would believe it ridiculous that Benn had a chance.
Certainly would have thinned my wallet by $50.
And you have a fat wallet, you rich git.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Damn perv ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterAnd you have a fat wallet, you rich git.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
can't say I felt well 'winning' on that, when we saw the aftemath :-\
Benn winning thinned my wallet by a weeks wages.
(I'd like to say that fight learnt me a good lesson that there's not such a thing as a good thing. Unfortunately not)