How does it play out?
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How does it play out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9jk2U8FFtM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93-4MJaf_3U
Prime Hatton, Peak Hatton, over the hill Hatton, or any other version of Hatton... Pacquiao puts him to deep sleep.
Pacman by inhumane KO
The only difference I saw between Hatton that fought Pac and Prime Hatton.. He wasnt jabbing his way in against Pac which made him easy pickins and also his punch resistance was shot.
Then again the bombs he got caught with could have sparked Hagler ;D
none the less Prime Hatton may of lasted another few rounds before being waffled
Prime Hatton or not, Pacquiao knocks him spark out. ;D
Hatton always had trouble with southpaws.
He was rocked and dropped by Eamonn Magee and was also rocked badly by Luis Collazo.
Magee who was decent but nothing special and Collazo who didn't have alot of power. If they could hurt him then Pacquiao would of always been able to hurt Hatton.
Hatton could also hurt Pac Man, like JMM has done in the past and he gave Floyd hell for 6 rounds, I think it would be a good closed tough battle, prime for prime, in fact it would be a blood and guts war.
When I joined this sight in 2006 Ricky Hatton was indestructible in most peoples opinion.
I initially despised Hatton because a good legion of his fans were the same as Pactards. I really grew to like Ricky Hatton, I appreciated his cross over appeal and his down to earthness.
Its a shame he could never come back from the Mayweather loss. Ricky was on a mission not to be denied and absorbed a ton of punishment from Floyd. Flush right hands hooks, he got broken down badly. Ricky wasnt going to stop coming at Floyd until his chin couldnt take it anymore. He was a different fighter one of the few who fights to please the fans and that loss really embarrassed him
I will retract my previous post and say if Ricky was undefeated at 140 and fought Pac it would have been more competitive becuase his chin and confidence would be intact
I would strongly bet something like this
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...onpacquiao.jpg
would you have said that 5 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
on a side note Sir Fenster, have you ever seen the Clint Eastwood movie Any Which Way But Loose?
Yeah I have seen that film...
and no I thought Hatton would be too big for Pac. I thought Hatton would beat him. With hindsight I believe Pac would spark him even in his pomp.
Hindsight... wonderful
That Gorrilla Productions Hatton film was fantastic.
Almost tragic how his career ended. Great memories. (not the losing bit)
I thought Hatton would beat him too.
Haha! Im about to watch it on Netflix. Haven't seen it in a few years but that movie is so outrageous I could watch it a million more times;D
Ricky Hatton always had trouble with Southpaw's ever since he was an Amateur, the fight wouldn't be much different except Ricky Hatton's punch resistance was a bit better in his prime, so he'd last a few more rounds.
Loop and repeat. Hatton has been a terrific boxer but Pac is just on another level.
Hatton would have been very competitive and who knows who would win..floyd already beat an undeafeated prime hatton..hatton would have landed a body shot and pac is done..dont count hatton out he was done when pac ko him.
The advantage is with pacman but every fighter who fights floyd knows thats the peak of their career.
Luis Collazo had em out on his feet, pretty much took him to hell and back during Hatton's prime although we can argue that 147 wasn't his best weight. Many people, including me, thought collazo won that fight..
PAcman beats any version of Hatton.. On a sidenote, I think 147 not being hatton's best weight was just an excuse cuz it's easy to say something like that after you lose. Regardless, I dont see hatton giving pacman any kinds of problems at any given time.
His whole game is to throw one punch and fall into a clinch and pacman would always have had an easy time catching him..
i would like to point out that the hatton floyd fought was not a prime hatton, i say around the time he fought tzu he was good, after it seemed he let his ego get to him and may have partied a bit to much for the caliber fighter he is, i say the fight is a war, because were talking at 140, i say very very competitive match
The Ricky Hatton who showed up at the Tszyu fight would have given any 140 fighter a hard nights work. The MEN was an electric atomospehere that night and if you had put Hatton in the ring with any fighter that night he would have won. A truely special night in British boxing history IMO, even a 140 version of Manny Pacquio would have been tested that night. Would Manny have beaten Hatton that night? I don't know...but that was Hattons Prime in a nutshell, it was a truly memorable night for any boxing fan.
The only reason Hatton wasn't prime against Mayweather was cuz none of his uncles (Dave Paris and Mickey Vann) were involved in the fight. Without them Ricky Hatton is Matthew HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
He sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Hatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Agreed, Pac vs Hatton was a total mismatch, and it would always be, man vs. boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
I respectfully disagree, I thought Hatton vs.Tszyu was a horrible fight, but then i'm an American and was also a big fan of Kostya Tszyu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Yeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Hatton would spark him in the first 30 seconds of the very first round. I can see no other outcome.
ooooffff bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
This is the time Hatton was at his peak, against Kostya, after this he went down hill in self indulgence, personal problems and in camp problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Still Hatton would of been competitive for at least another couple of rounds, but his style played into Pac's hands perfectly, and it would only be a matter of time before the result was what actually happened. He was far more focused and competitive against Floyd, against Pac he was a lost soul.
Referee or no referee in the ring, there's only so much an outside influence can do and even if he was in Hattons favor it doesn't matter because Hatton put on his career best performance and nobody can take that away from. If Tszyu was as good as everybody said ( I know prime Tszyu would have beaten that Hatton on that night) prior to the fight then he should have handled Hatton pretty easily. However Hatton was highly motivated and looked unstoppable and it was enough to make a legend quit, the referee didn't stop it, Tszyu wanted no more and that speaks wonders for Hatton that night. So don't BS me about the ref, because that wasn't a factor in the stoppage. Hatton was a bull that night!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooffff bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Maybe it goes a few extra rounds but it ends the same way for me
Tam, I wouldnt let them two wind ya up, they are primed and love it, especially VD, he loves Ricky secrectly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonReferee or no referee in the ring, there's only so much an outside influence can do and even if he was in Hattons favor it doesn't matter because Hatton put on his career best performance and nobody can take that away from. If Tszyu was as good as everybody said ( I know prime Tszyu would have beaten that Hatton on that night) prior to the fight then he should have handled Hatton pretty easily. However Hatton was highly motivated and looked unstoppable and it was enough to make a legend quit, the referee didn't stop it, Tszyu wanted no more and that speaks wonders for Hatton that night. So don't BS me about the ref, because that wasn't a factor in the stoppage. Hatton was a bull that night!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooffff bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Ive been use to it for years, if he's a British fighter VD will do anything to have a pop at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanTam, I wouldnt let them two wind ya up, they are primed and love it, especially VD, he loves Ricky secrectly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonReferee or no referee in the ring, there's only so much an outside influence can do and even if he was in Hattons favor it doesn't matter because Hatton put on his career best performance and nobody can take that away from. If Tszyu was as good as everybody said ( I know prime Tszyu would have beaten that Hatton on that night) prior to the fight then he should have handled Hatton pretty easily. However Hatton was highly motivated and looked unstoppable and it was enough to make a legend quit, the referee didn't stop it, Tszyu wanted no more and that speaks wonders for Hatton that night. So don't BS me about the ref, because that wasn't a factor in the stoppage. Hatton was a bull that night!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooffff bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Pfft First fight ricky wasnt allowed to hold in - Floyd Mayweather and look how many times he landed on ricky at a distance...you dont think Tszyu would of timed Hatton more often if he had more space? Your being naive, Hattons wrestling helped him big time in the tszyu fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIve been use to it for years, if he's a British fighter VD will do anything to have a pop at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanTam, I wouldnt let them two wind ya up, they are primed and love it, especially VD, he loves Ricky secrectly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonReferee or no referee in the ring, there's only so much an outside influence can do and even if he was in Hattons favor it doesn't matter because Hatton put on his career best performance and nobody can take that away from. If Tszyu was as good as everybody said ( I know prime Tszyu would have beaten that Hatton on that night) prior to the fight then he should have handled Hatton pretty easily. However Hatton was highly motivated and looked unstoppable and it was enough to make a legend quit, the referee didn't stop it, Tszyu wanted no more and that speaks wonders for Hatton that night. So don't BS me about the ref, because that wasn't a factor in the stoppage. Hatton was a bull that night!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooffff bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Its funny how every is like hatton went down hill after the mayweather fight...no he went down hill when he wasnt allowed to wrestle. The end.
still bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyPfft First fight ricky wasnt allowed to hold in - Floyd Mayweather and look how many times he landed on ricky at a distance...you dont think Tszyu would of timed Hatton more often if he had more space? Your being naive, Hattons wrestling helped him big time in the tszyu fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIve been use to it for years, if he's a British fighter VD will do anything to have a pop at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanTam, I wouldnt let them two wind ya up, they are primed and love it, especially VD, he loves Ricky secrectly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonReferee or no referee in the ring, there's only so much an outside influence can do and even if he was in Hattons favor it doesn't matter because Hatton put on his career best performance and nobody can take that away from. If Tszyu was as good as everybody said ( I know prime Tszyu would have beaten that Hatton on that night) prior to the fight then he should have handled Hatton pretty easily. However Hatton was highly motivated and looked unstoppable and it was enough to make a legend quit, the referee didn't stop it, Tszyu wanted no more and that speaks wonders for Hatton that night. So don't BS me about the ref, because that wasn't a factor in the stoppage. Hatton was a bull that night!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooffff bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Its funny how every is like hatton went down hill after the mayweather fight...no he went down hill when he wasnt allowed to wrestle. The end.
let it go man
Also I noticed in the PAC fight how tentative Hatton was on trying to close the distance. Ricky wasn't aggressive in his pursuit of PAC like we seen in other fights.
PAC is real quick with nice footwork and in an exchange on the ropes where Ricky could maul he let PAC slip out the back door without much effort...
hang on tho one minQuote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
are you saying cortez's reffing was good in the hatton mayweather fight?
This fight has already happened.
Have many great memories watching Hatton on the rise and when he was champion , lovely lovely guy and a very good fighter , but Pac man is on a different level , would be same result , a very bad KO win for Pac Man early.
If hatton could take the right hands flush from Tszyu then he could take the power punches of Pac Man too.
I agree with that if it was a war he would win on the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I also agree with he had Tszus number that night.
But i got a theory and Im sticking to it. Kostya was feeling great and he was talking up this fight saying he'd fight the fight Hatton wanted and test him out etc. We all saw a war style fight that night.
I recon when its a real war, you see shots coming even though you get caught with them but your not fukkin movin cause you both know its a war and a test of heart of determination.
Tszyu was made for Hatton by Tszyus own mindset months before the fight and the timing was perfect, he would have eventually won that kind of stalk and shoot fight against another doing the same that night even if Gus Mecurrio was reffing the fight in Melbourne.
Then theres all the mixes of other skills in fights in between pure boxing unorthodox moves to all out warfare, but when a fighter is thinking 'war :mad: I'll take it to this bastard" and a great boxer is skilled and cool enough to be more evasive then catches him blindsided as he is throwing it has a different effect on the brain.
Cause Manny slips out on more angles and runs around in a manic style he is hard to pin down by a stalker who likes hitting whats right in front of him.
I think Kostya fought the wrong fight but fought a very brave one and his ego got in the way of what he could of done instead and he was out gunned, I know he had better pure boxing skills in his earlier years, but maybe his legs were more suited to it back then :-\.
Anyway he got beat at his own game and like he says, no excuses.
I honestly don't remember him taking many (if any) flush rights hands from Tszyu. Pacquiao's power punches were different because he walked on to so many of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Not bitter, facing the facts. Even americans think Dave Parris was rooting ricky hatton. And yes I do think Cortez reffed the Mayweather fight well. He stopped Ricky from holding, you wanna hold and wrestle fuck off to the ufc.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44still bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyPfft First fight ricky wasnt allowed to hold in - Floyd Mayweather and look how many times he landed on ricky at a distance...you dont think Tszyu would of timed Hatton more often if he had more space? Your being naive, Hattons wrestling helped him big time in the tszyu fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIve been use to it for years, if he's a British fighter VD will do anything to have a pop at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanTam, I wouldnt let them two wind ya up, they are primed and love it, especially VD, he loves Ricky secrectly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonReferee or no referee in the ring, there's only so much an outside influence can do and even if he was in Hattons favor it doesn't matter because Hatton put on his career best performance and nobody can take that away from. If Tszyu was as good as everybody said ( I know prime Tszyu would have beaten that Hatton on that night) prior to the fight then he should have handled Hatton pretty easily. However Hatton was highly motivated and looked unstoppable and it was enough to make a legend quit, the referee didn't stop it, Tszyu wanted no more and that speaks wonders for Hatton that night. So don't BS me about the ref, because that wasn't a factor in the stoppage. Hatton was a bull that night!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooffff bitterQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyYeah he had his number coz Tszyu gave him his number after the fight, but Ricky definitely had Dave Parris's number before the fight ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonHatton had Tszyu number that night, don't even try and deny him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe sure would. That Hatton had Dave Paris with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Its funny how every is like hatton went down hill after the mayweather fight...no he went down hill when he wasnt allowed to wrestle. The end.
let it go man