Did not watch the fight as I was working nights:eek: but does anybody think that he won apart from the judges?
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Did not watch the fight as I was working nights:eek: but does anybody think that he won apart from the judges?
Only Pac and few of his die hard fans really. I swear some of the commentators knew what the outcome was going to be and so slid off into the Oh well maybe category to cover what a sham boxing has become.
The crowd were wild about the decision mate and Marquez was being yelled out by them over and over as manny was doing his interview claiming it.
2judges
lederman
2saddo members
not had anyone else say they thought he won. :cool:
I ant seen the fight yet
Anyine know where i can watch it?
I had Marquez winning by 3 rounds. No way Pac won that fight.
Even pac deep down knows he lost that one, even his boy amir knows it, everyone knows it except for like five dudes drunk of the pacaideQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I had the fight a draw on first glance. I could have seen it 115-113 either way. It was a tough fight to score. There were a lot of rounds that I thought could have gone either way. I was amazed that Manny couldn't hurt Marquez at all this time around. I thought that would be the difference. I need to rewatch it this morning with a clear head.
The compubox stats say Pac was ahead, but they can be deceptive. I'll probably see it next weekend.
I had it 7 rounds to 5 for Manny. JMM letting off the gas in the last two rounds was a big mistake.
Ehh How about 7 rounds to 5 for Marquez... yeah, thats more like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
And that is with Marquez letting off the gas taken into consideration too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Ehh How about 7 rounds to 5 for Marquez... yeah, thats more like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Compubox doesn't say who's "ahead.". This isn't amateur boxing, where you just count the punches that landed; another factor is how clean and effective those punches were. Yet another factor is defense - those extra hundred punches that Compubox says Pacquiao missed that Marquez didn't.
watched it and didn't score it but at the end of the day I wasn't disapointed in the decision.
It is another close fight. Neither showed dominance over the other.
It is disappointing to the Pacquiao fans in that they expected it to have been one-sided in their boxer's favor and disappointing to the non-Pacquiao fans in that they believe Marquez should have gotten the nod for making it a competitive fight given his age and allege weight disadvantage.
Bob " I am so deluded when Pacquiao fights that i get high on the smell of money" Arum thought Pacman won.
The ESPN guys had Manny or a draw. Lederman and Lampley had Manny. The press ringside was split.
no it's a case of Marquez implementing his fight and his strategy throughout the course of 12 rounds and Manny not being able to get into his usual rhythm, IMO it wasn't that close it reminded me of the first Morales/Pacquiao fight, in which just cause the fight was competitive didn't mean that there wasn't a clear winner, and that winner is JMM no questions askedQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
No he didn't win last night and the main thing that pissed me off was at the end of the fight Pac had his head down knowing he was too gunshy and it lost him the fight.... then prob after getting tipped off before the result that he had got the nod he was riding on shoulders proclaiming victory. :rolleyes:
I watched it on my phone so not the best way to view it but I thought Manny won the fight. Of course the crowd booed, they were pro Marquez from the start, the Mexicans were screaming for him the whole fight.
I was disappointed that it was so competitive as I think it bursts the bubble regarding Manny vs Floyd being a great fight, Floyd dominates him imo.
But there was no robbery last night. Manny was busiers. He threw more and outlanded Marquez although at a slightly lower connection rate.
I've not seen many knowledgable experts say they though Marquez won. The entire team on boxingtalk had Manny winning a close fight, as did HBO.
I think the general hatred for Manny, the perception that Marquez had previously been robbed, and the pervading view going in that Marquez was going to get mashed up this time meant that many people over reacted to everything Mrquez did, and felt Manny lost simply because he wasn't getting his way and dominating like all his previous opponents.
A Pachater posted before that "boxing scoring is not an exact science". There are several close rounds that could have gone either way. Some may have given it all to Pac whereas others would have given it all to JMM hence the discrepancy. If those close rounds are equally split between them, then it's a close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesno it's a case of Marquez implementing his fight and his strategy throughout the course of 12 rounds and Manny not being able to get into his usual rhythm, IMO it wasn't that close it reminded me of the first Morales/Pacquiao fight, in which just cause the fight was competitive didn't mean that there wasn't a clear winner, and that winner is JMM no questions askedQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
You need to watch it again on something bigger than a mobile phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
The entire team on boxingtalk had Manny winning a close fight, as did HBO.
really what about Eric Raskin HBO: Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez: Fight Recap
I've not seen many knowledgable experts say they though Marquez won.
You obviously don't rate anyone who disagrees with you much then..BS
do I trust the opinion of those with a vested interest in a particular outcome?? um...er...
Manny won 2 rounds max
Robbery , total robbery
ron borges longtime boxing writer. Kieran mulvaney of espn said alot of press row was disgusted with the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYou need to watch it again on something bigger than a mobile phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
The entire team on boxingtalk had Manny winning a close fight, as did HBO.
really what about Eric Raskin HBO: Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez: Fight Recap
I've not seen many knowledgable experts say they though Marquez won.
You obviously don't rate anyone who disagrees with you much then..BS
british broadcasting crew on primetime thought Marquez clearly won at least 7 rounds
Amir Kahn-Pac's friend thought Marquez won
My experience/opinion exactly, except that I watched it on a 50-inch screen in HD. It was a close fight but I really don't get the "robbery" thing here. This was not like Mattyhse's last two fights, for instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
It does reinforce my longtime view that Floyd totally outclasses Manny if that fight ever gets made.
freddie roach said he thought manny won, but with hesitation, and then followed it up with, it could have gone either way. He basically said that there likely would be a 4th fight. That isn't normally Roach. I think deep down he felt Manny lost the fight.
I thought Pac won.
Scored it 6 rounds to 5 with one even. You can't argue with the aggression, Jim. One guy goes forward the other guy goes back, whaddya do? 6-5 with 1 even Pac on clean aggression.
(yet to see it)
You score the clean effective punches, thats what you doQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
FIghter A landed two clean shotsQuote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3You score the clean effective punches, thats what you doQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fighter B landed just one but visibly harder
who won the round in your card?
If you say A then its good and if you say B it is also good :D
Judges will score for what they like and there are no standards.
Sensible post.. " compubox "... Lol thats some amatuer shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LobowolfXXXQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Compubox doesn't say who's "ahead.". This isn't amateur boxing, where you just count the punches that landed; another factor is how clean and effective those punches were. Yet another factor is defense - those extra hundred punches that Compubox says Pacquiao missed that Marquez didn't.
Excellent post, I fail to see the robbery here, 116-12 was off the mark by one judge, but from what I could tell 115-113 and 114-114 or a draw, didn't seem all that outlandish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
This wasn't the Pacquiao anyone expected to see, but he still did enough to eek out a win.
Marquez had the same problem he has with the outside style, he was waiting to counter Pacquiao's aggression. Aside from a few signature punches Marquez gave this fight away. I had Pacquiao win it by one round.
I had a shitty stream for this fight, so it was just about impossible for me to score it properly, because I missed a lot of the action. From what I could see, neither pug really dominated the other, I wanna have a good look at the replay next saturday..Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny