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In sheer desperation at seeing a thread discussing a fight that the opening poster had not even seen topping the forum board, and being quoted again and again as some magic proof that black is really white and the sun goes around the earth i started this one. Unlike the aforementioned thread i shall not be employing the opinions of those who thought Juan Manuel Marquez won, and was thereby ROBBED of a deserved victory, to prove that the awarding of the fight to Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao was fair and just. I am not posting from Mexico. I will not be threatened into cowardice by unbased accusations of being a pac-hater, which apparently is the opposite of Flomophobia. I will not be cowed and silenced however many times Fenster (bless his Stetson) says FACT like some bizzare forum card game.In fact i will close my eyes and pray to the God of Boxing forums that any other thread replaces the, Not a ROBBERY please look thread. Maybe if i am really good i will get some more books for my boxing library this Christmas and Fenster will think one of my posts is BRILLIANT.
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Keep on rockin in a free world :cool:
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I'm getting a bit bored of it now. Time to move on to the next drama.
Cotto vs Margo is massive for me, the whole glove thing, the rematch for the fan favourite but against a guy that has a very real chance of beating him up.
Hopefully we'll see a conclusive fight so we can all just get along. (how boring would that be!?)
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One of the biggest robjobs of the past decade.. Somebody needs to be handcuffed for this.
Juan Carlos Burgos !! ;D
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Definite robbery and the numbers who see a decisive Marquez win or a clear Marquez win are there for all to see. It all points towards the notion that the fight was indeed a robbery. It takes more than a 5 person cross analysis to debunk the overwhelming consensus.
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Now it's just getting sad. It's to the point now that people are saying PAC didn't land a fuckingnpunch.
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NOBODY...NOBODY said pac didn't land a punch.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...cons/icon1.gif How did you score Pac/Marquez 3?
the thread quoted to support the NOT a robbery please look thread has received only 716 views despite being quoted as the reason for the NOT a robbery post. Whilst the NOT a robbery post itself has recieved 2270 views! So the misinformation pedalled is making a sad situation sadder. To the point where now people are accusing anyone who thought Marquez won as being obsessive JMM worshipers. It is sad that people who had not watched the fight would have their crackpot opinions given more importance than the original opinions of people who took the time to not only watch the fight but then go through it again and score it. This is not a lets have a pop at Pacqiao thread it is a plea for sanity from a fan of Boxing. The judges decision is not going to be overturned but lets not let the measured opinion of decent fight fans who saw a clear injustice be rubbished by the ignorant few who seek to twist their views and then get congratulated for it by a forum moderator.
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Okay. I think it's time for you to clean your crack pipe home skillet ;)
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Just finished the fight again
JMM has ROUNDS 5 and 7 as TOTALLY his. If you have any other round that you think were CLEARLY a MARQUEZ round please tell me.
You have it as 116-112 Marquez and you say its a robbery????
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Manny did not look to be outlanding Marquez to any obvious degree though and it was clear who landed the more telling blows throughout.
And I debunk compubox, clearly they are in with Arum, the judges and HBO in being completely biased. The post fight outrage speaks for itself.
Manny walked away after the final bell looking like a broken man, the crowd booed the result in a way we haven't seen since forever, forum polls show Marquez dominating as the favoured winner. The Manny won camp boils down to Lederman, the judges and half a dozen diehards scattered over the internet.
The fix was in and the powers that be robbed the man who once again outboxed the poster boy.
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I'll send you a signed photo if you like?
I'm not arrogant enough to believe my scorecard is 100% bombproof definitive. I accept scoring fights is open to interpretation. It's subjective.
It was utterly IRRELEVANT whether or not miron_lang had seen the fight. His post highlighted a contradiction in peoples scorecards. It was a great expose on the hypocrisy of "robberies" in boxing. His idea could be put to use on all the robbery claims over the years, the fact it was this bout is irrelevant.
So, unless you believe your opinion is far superior to anyone elses (like Miles ;)), then it should be perfectly reasonable to accept people interpeted a fight different. Simple as that. ;)
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I'll send you a signed photo if you like?
I'm not arrogant enough to believe my scorecard is 100% bombproof definitive. I accept scoring fights is open to interpretation. It's subjective.
It was utterly IRRELEVANT whether or not miron_lang had seen the fight. His post highlighted a contradiction in peoples scorecards. It was a great expose on the hypocrisy of "robberies" in boxing. His idea could be put to use on all the robbery claims over the years, the fact it was this bout is irrelevant.
So, unless you believe your opinion is far superior to anyone elses (like Miles ;)), then it should be perfectly reasonable to accept people interpeted a fight different. Simple as that. ;)
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Erase my superior judgement and that is just one view less in a massive sea of views that all have Marquez the winner.
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i dunno if anyone is aware but i still havent seen the fight
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This is a clear robbery a clear deception
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Fenster
I'll send you a signed photo if you like?
I'm not arrogant enough to believe my scorecard is 100% bombproof definitive. I accept scoring fights is open to interpretation. It's subjective.
It was utterly IRRELEVANT whether or not miron_lang had seen the fight. His post highlighted a contradiction in peoples scorecards. It was a great expose on the hypocrisy of "robberies" in boxing. His idea could be put to use on all the robbery claims over the years, the fact it was this bout is irrelevant.
So, unless you believe your opinion is far superior to anyone elses (like Miles ;)), then it should be perfectly reasonable to accept people interpeted a fight different. Simple as that. ;)
It was not IRRELEVANT whether miron_lang had seen the fight. His post called out all those people who thought they had witnessed a robbery and then used a very flawed piece of naive statistical analysis to propagate his massively prejudiced views. Imagine a crime occurring and being captured on cctv, people witness it and there is video evidence available, but before watching the cctv footage you start to question peoples interpretation of it and call into question the crime occuring at all. The only people who believe their opinion is far superior to anyone else, are those who draw conclusions without examining the evidence first hand. How was it a great expose on the hypocrisy of "robberies" in boxing. Great exposé's draw together numerous threads from extensive research to make irrefutable points. The fact that there is a contradiction in the scorecards of the super 5 is not a supporting fact for your argument at all, if anything it undermines your hypothesis. Judges scorecards very rarely tally exactly round for round, the discrepancy proves that the super 5 were being honest in their interpretation and no collusion has occurred.Not agreeing on rounds is minutiae, small and trivial compared to the overriding FACT that they all had JMM as a clear winner. If you used the idea that 5 separate people would have to agree round for round on the scoring of individual exact rounds before any decision could be questioned it would mean Judges have never ever have been corrupt, inept or flawed ever. It is only when 5 scorecards are identical round for round that you can then question their authenticity.Even the crackpot judging ringside by the official judges was not identical round for round.You are quite right people interpret a fight differently, so why is it using your own logic you can not see that the super 5's different interpretation of rounds won does nothing to undermine their conclusion that JMM won a fight erroneously awarded to Manny Pacquiao ? the only people suggesting mine or Miles's opinion is far superior to anyone else is you.You can discount both of our opinions and the overwhelming evidence of a ROBBERY will still be there. Simple as that, and yes a signed photo would be lovely;D
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Robert Guerrero had it 8-4 too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQvLoelNrVM
I am more than happy for my 8-4 card to be replaced by his if it would make people happy. Or else we could just add his and many more like it to the pile and realise that there is a correlation in the outcome that seems to have emerged. That being that Marquez was indeed the landslide winner.
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Jesus fucking Christ!!!
I give up. OK It was a robbery. The judges were corrupt. Marquez clearly won. Happy? (even though no-one could agree on who won what fucking rounds :vd:)
For a fiver, I'll throw in a signed poster too ;)
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You thought he won the fight too, Fenster. And so you must be added to the list of 135, 634, 963 others who thought so too. The Manny won camp still stays at the 2 judges, HBO, Miron Lang and PSL. Oh, and Compubox who is now dead. Nothing more than a numerical Goebbel's exercise as far as I am concerned.
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Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death. How could anyone possibly have got such a clear-cut, and in no way ambiguous fight so wrong.
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Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death.
I would like to see a long list of them all emerge as I recall in the wake of the second fight where Marquez seemed to be the dominant winner. I would be surprised if it wasn't the same here. And when I say dominant winner, I just mean the person with the most W's in the column.
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Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death.
I would like to see a long list of them all emerge as I recall in the wake of the second fight where Marquez seemed to be the dominant winner. I would be surprised if it wasn't the same here. And when I say dominant winner, I just mean the person with the most W's in the column.
Does it matter? It's not like you'd give their opinion any credit anyway
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Fenster
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miles
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Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death.
I would like to see a long list of them all emerge as I recall in the wake of the second fight where Marquez seemed to be the dominant winner. I would be surprised if it wasn't the same here. And when I say dominant winner, I just mean the person with the most W's in the column.
Does it matter? It's not like you'd give their opinion any credit anyway
Agreed or not, I would be curious to see such a list and more so if their viewpoints went with them. I have my views, but I do read and listen too.
I don't just read a newspaper and take it at face value. You read it and then evaluate what you read.
It's the same with posters and fight reviews. I read every word, but it doesn't mean I need to agree with it all. But it's interesting nonetheless.
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miles
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Fenster
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miles
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Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death.
I would like to see a long list of them all emerge as I recall in the wake of the second fight where Marquez seemed to be the dominant winner. I would be surprised if it wasn't the same here. And when I say dominant winner, I just mean the person with the most W's in the column.
Does it matter? It's not like you'd give their opinion any credit anyway
Agreed or not, I would be curious to see such a list and more so if their viewpoints went with them. I have my views, but I do read and listen too.
I don't just read a newspaper and take it at face value. You read it and then evaluate what you read.
It's the same with posters and fight reviews. I read every word, but it doesn't mean I need to agree with it all. But it's interesting nonetheless.
Here you go then, here's Graham Houston's opinion, I've never seen anything other than total respect for this man in the boxing business -
NO CLOSURE: Manny Pacquiao W12 (maj.) Juan Manuel Marquez
Clearly though he doesn't understand boxing and his opinion is utterly worthless. How could he possibly think it wasn't a robbery. Shocking.
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Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death. How could anyone possibly have got such a clear-cut, and in no way ambiguous fight so wrong.
Your right Daniel Herbert in today's Boxing News had it as a draw but even he acknowledges most writers ringside had it as a win for Marquez. This is not the first time the judging ability of Trowbridge has been questioned and it would be a start if he was not used in future when so many of his scorecards are so at odds with reality.8 rounds to 4 for JMM seems to be the average consensus. It is a little sad that youtube is now full of people not happy with Manny's win being questioned, asserting that Juan is a cheat who used headbutts, footstomping and steroids to even win the few rounds they begrudgingly acknowledge him ! It was a very competitive fight albeit a fight clearly dominated by an accurate counter punching underdog who smashed open the doors to the BHOF on this his career defining fight, only for the bottom to drop out of his world on the announcement of his vanquished and clearly demoralised foe being awarded the decision.
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death. How could anyone possibly have got such a clear-cut, and in no way ambiguous fight so wrong.
Your right Daniel Herbert in today's Boxing News had it as a draw but even he acknowledges most writers ringside had it as a win for Marquez. This is not the first time the judging ability of Trowbridge has been questioned and it would be a start if he was not used in future when so many of his scorecards are so at odds with reality.8 rounds to 4 for JMM seems to be the average consensus. It is a little sad that youtube is now full of people not happy with Manny's win being questioned, asserting that Juan is a cheat who used headbutts, footstomping and steroids to even win the few rounds they begrudgingly acknowledge him ! It was a very competitive fight albeit a fight clearly dominated by an accurate counter punching underdog who smashed open the doors to the BHOF on this his career defining fight, only for the bottom to drop out of his world on the announcement of his vanquished and clearly demoralised foe being awarded the decision.
So how come he didn't think it was a robbery?
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Fenster
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miles
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death.
I would like to see a long list of them all emerge as I recall in the wake of the second fight where Marquez seemed to be the dominant winner. I would be surprised if it wasn't the same here. And when I say dominant winner, I just mean the person with the most W's in the column.
Does it matter? It's not like you'd give their opinion any credit anyway
Agreed or not, I would be curious to see such a list and more so if their viewpoints went with them. I have my views, but I do read and listen too.
I don't just read a newspaper and take it at face value. You read it and then evaluate what you read.
It's the same with posters and fight reviews. I read every word, but it doesn't mean I need to agree with it all. But it's interesting nonetheless.
Here you go then, here's Graham Houston's opinion, I've never seen anything other than total respect for this man in the boxing business -
NO CLOSURE: Manny Pacquiao W12 (maj.) Juan Manuel Marquez
Clearly though he doesn't understand boxing and his opinion is utterly worthless. How could he possibly think it wasn't a robbery. Shocking.
Stop using such hyperbole. I like Graham Houston and generally speaking respect what he says too, but I do disagree with him. It doesn't kill his opinion, but it does mean I take issue with what he said. But for every writer that you produce who gives Manny the win, there are numerous others who give it to Marquez and not only writers, but seemingly the vast majority of boxers and forum pollsters too.
Al Bernstein scored it two points in favour of Marquez. Have I now cancelled out your Houston verdict? He is a pretty level headed chap too.
Like I say, I would like to see a list of them all side by side, just to see how they pan it out. Not because I am right, but because I am curious to see how my views pan out amongst them. And yours too, and you yourself thought Marquez won by a couple so I don't know what you are arguing really. What I saw is correlating far more with you than what Houston saw.
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Fenster
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Greenbeanz
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Fenster
Some respected boxing writers scored it for Pac too. And lots had it a draw.
I know, I know, they are obviously corrupt/inept/thick. They should all be sacked and never allowed to watch boxing again. Or better still horse whipped to death. How could anyone possibly have got such a clear-cut, and in no way ambiguous fight so wrong.
Your right Daniel Herbert in today's Boxing News had it as a draw but even he acknowledges most writers ringside had it as a win for Marquez. This is not the first time the judging ability of Trowbridge has been questioned and it would be a start if he was not used in future when so many of his scorecards are so at odds with reality.8 rounds to 4 for JMM seems to be the average consensus. It is a little sad that youtube is now full of people not happy with Manny's win being questioned, asserting that Juan is a cheat who used headbutts, footstomping and steroids to even win the few rounds they begrudgingly acknowledge him ! It was a very competitive fight albeit a fight clearly dominated by an accurate counter punching underdog who smashed open the doors to the BHOF on this his career defining fight, only for the bottom to drop out of his world on the announcement of his vanquished and clearly demoralised foe being awarded the decision.
So how come he didn't think it was a robbery?
Because he has a different opinion to the Majority of writers to which he is entitled. He points out Pacquiao's lack of a consistent weapon and the fact that he was seemingly mesmerised by Marquez's timing and distance, with Manny just following him around and even backing off in the ninth, he then gives Pacquiao all three final rounds which seems to be a little generous and would account for his draw scorecard giving
JMM
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3
5
7
8
9
MP
2
4
6
10
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12
Ron Borges scored it 117-111 for JMM, Thomas Hauser 116-113 for JMM, Lance Pugmire 115-113 for JMM, Bob Velin 115-113 for JMM, Ed Grainey 115-113 for JMM,Matthew Aguilar 115-112 for JMM and the Wall Steet Journal ?! 115-113 for JMM.
So Herbert was unusual in scoring a draw. I am interested to see what Hugh Mcillvaney says if he is well enough to comment in the Times on Sunday. He is always objective and IMO possibly the greatest boxing writer alive.
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err.. what? Whether I think Marquez won or not is irrelevant. I've took umbrage with the cries of robbery. My argument is against the so-called robbery, not the winner of the contest.
If I produce writers that thought Marquez won, writers that thought Manny won and writers that thought it was a draw, what would that indicate to you? To me it would mean a CLOSE fight that split opinion. If it's CLOSE and debatable how can it be a robbery? Even if most people slightly favour one man over another. Madness. Utter madness.
(Courtesy of Ratcatrat) - Press row was split. Dan Rafael had this fight a draw. Max Kellerman had the fight a draw too. Steve Kim from maxboxing.com had the fight 115-113 Marquez. Steven Edwards on boxingtalk.com had it 115-113 Pacquiao. Doveed Linder also from boxingtalk.com had it 6-6.
Goerge Willis from the New York Post - "it was a tough fight to score." http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/boxin...PD1gTqeGrikrkI
Dan Rafael
Pacquiao-Marquez: Manny Pacquiao picks off Juan Manuel Marquez, ready for Floyd Mayweather - ESPN
Michael Woods
No, Marquez was not 'robbed' vs. Pacquiao - New York Boxing Blog - ESPN New York
Gareth A Davies
Manny Pacquiao v Juan Manuel Marquez: round-by-round verdict - Telegraph
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such a passionate lot. lol
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such a passionate lot. lol
Do not join a fencefight with a pencil. Add your view. Who won and in which rounds and therefore pass judgement. But to do no other but make a snide comment is just......gay.
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KKisser
such a passionate lot. lol
Do not join a fencefight with a pencil. Add your view. Who won and in which rounds and therefore pass judgement. But to do no other but make a snide comment is just......gay.
c'mon miles, it wasn't meant as a snide remark. i just thought that you've said your piece and other people have expressed their opinion and it's about time we should move on and respect each other's opinions. you don't have to resort to name calling. lol
this dear juan article or blog sums up what i think about the whole deal. the only difference is the writer thought pacquiao won while i had it a draw.
Dear Juan Manuel Marquez | Michael D. Sellers
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KKisser
such a passionate lot. lol
Do not join a fencefight with a pencil. Add your view. Who won and in which rounds and therefore pass judgement. But to do no other but make a snide comment is just......gay.
c'mon miles, it wasn't meant as a snide remark. i just thought that you've said your piece and other people have expressed their opinion and it's about time we should move on and respect each other's opinions. you don't have to resort to name calling. lol
this dear juan write-up sums up what i think about the whole deal. the only difference is the writer thought pacquiao won while i had it a draw.
Dear Juan Manuel Marquez | Michael D. Sellers
But he didn't win and the fact that no judge had him winning is a crime. It is like George Bush walking free. The guy is a war criminal and nobody has him and in the same sense Manny is a war criminal too, he is bound by the corruption which US territory seems to breed in. It's like the judges take corruption pills.
"We'll excuse him, he is our leader. We must make excuses" But the guy is a fraud. He lost.....again. And the worst thing is Manny himself not being able to admit he lost. He looked pathetic. After the fight and in the interview. What a politician, what a fraud.
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KKisser
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
KKisser
such a passionate lot. lol
Do not join a fencefight with a pencil. Add your view. Who won and in which rounds and therefore pass judgement. But to do no other but make a snide comment is just......gay.
c'mon miles, it wasn't meant as a snide remark. i just thought that you've said your piece and other people have expressed their opinion and it's about time we should move on and respect each other's opinions. you don't have to resort to name calling. lol
this dear juan write-up sums up what i think about the whole deal. the only difference is the writer thought pacquiao won while i had it a draw.
Dear Juan Manuel Marquez | Michael D. Sellers
But he didn't win and the fact that no judge had him winning is a crime.
It is like George Bush walking free. The guy is a war criminal and nobody has him and in the same sense Manny is a war criminal too, he is bound by the corruption which US territory seems to breed in. It's like the judges take corruption pills.
"We'll excuse him, he is our leader. We must make excuses" But the guy is a fraud. He lost.....again. And the worst thing is Manny himself not being able to admit he lost. He looked pathetic. After the fight and in the interview. What a politician, what a fraud.
just another example of miles demonstrating what douchey drama queen he is.
miles you should take up masterbating or banging dudes (again)...you clearly have alot of pent up frustration and misdirected energy.
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Well in my opinion it was a robbery, i've watched it twice and had it 8-4 and 7-4-1. I don't care what anyother so called expert says i go with my own opinion, im not saying its the right opinion. But my opinion is in the majority that JMM won.
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Well in my opinion it was a robbery, i've watched it twice and had it 8-4 and 7-4-1. I don't care what anyother so called expert says i go with my own opinion, im not saying its the right opinion. But my opinion is in the majority that JMM won.
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That don't really explain why it was robbery.
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Well in my opinion it was a robbery, i've watched it twice and had it 8-4 and 7-4-1. I don't care what anyother so called expert says i go with my own opinion, im not saying its the right opinion. But my opinion is in the majority that JMM won.
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That don't really explain why it was robbery.
I've gave my reason's in many of the other threads, atleast i don't use "foot stomper". Or how about Manny Pacquiao having point deducted for hitting JMM while he was down in 1st fight ?
