Froch vs. Ward - Saturday fight/chat thread

The action starts on Showtime here in the States @ 9:00 PM ET Saturday night, or @ around 2:00 AM Sunday in the UK/Europe. It doesn't look like Showtime will show the Kell Brook undercard fight.

:jester-new: - At last, a Brit fighter I actually like, hehe. Seems like most boxing fans are picking Ward, but i'd love to see Carl take this one and win the Super-Six tourney, as well as the trophy and the WBA/WBC super-middleweight straps.

Dec. 17
At Atlantic City, N.J. (Showtime): Super Six World Boxing Classic final, Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch, WBA/WBC super middleweight unification; Kell Brook vs. Luis Galarza, 10 rounds, welterweights; Bowie Tupou vs. Donnell Holmes, 10 rounds, heavyweights.

It should be a great night of boxing. I'm gonna go with Froch by SD, which will set up a Froch vs. Ward II next year, perhaps in the UK.

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

:jester-new: - At last, a Brit fighter I actually like, hehe. Seems like most boxing fans are picking Ward, but i'd love to see Carl take this one and win the Super-Six tourney, as well as the trophy and the WBA/WBC super-middleweight straps.

Dec. 17
At Atlantic City, N.J. (Showtime): Super Six World Boxing Classic final, Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch, WBA/WBC super middleweight unification; Kell Brook vs. Luis Galarza, 10 rounds, welterweights; Bowie Tupou vs. Donnell Holmes, 10 rounds, heavyweights.

Kell Brook on the undercard, it should be a great night of boxing. I'm gonna go with Froch by SD, which will set up a Froch vs. Ward II next year, perhaps in the UK.

Thoughts?

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Ward UD. Froch's strength is his toughness and Ward is just as tough plus far sounder technically, and a much better athlete. I admire Froch's heart and chin but against good technical fighters, he hasn't looked great. He looked beyond sloppy against Kessler.

I do think both guys will have to work very hard and it's probably Ward's toughest challenge to date (though arguably Kessler was a bigger challenge).

Unfortunately it has the potential to be ugly and boring, like many of Ward's more-recent fights.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

:jester-new: - At last, a Brit fighter I actually like, hehe. Seems like most boxing fans are picking Ward, but i'd love to see Carl take this one and win the Super-Six tourney, as well as the trophy and the WBA/WBC super-middleweight straps.

Dec. 17
At Atlantic City, N.J. (Showtime): Super Six World Boxing Classic final, Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch, WBA/WBC super middleweight unification; Kell Brook vs. Luis Galarza, 10 rounds, welterweights; Bowie Tupou vs. Donnell Holmes, 10 rounds, heavyweights.

Kell Brook on the undercard, it should be a great night of boxing. I'm gonna go with Froch by SD, which will set up a Froch vs. Ward II next year, perhaps in the UK.

Thoughts?

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Ward UD. Froch's strength is his toughness and Ward is just as tough plus far sounder technically, and a much better athlete. I admire Froch's heart and chin but against good technical fighters, he hasn't looked great. He looked beyond sloppy against Kessler.

I do think both guys will have to work very hard and it's probably Ward's toughest challenge to date (though arguably Kessler was a bigger challenge).

Unfortunately it has the potential to be ugly and boring, like many of Ward's more-recent fights.

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Both pugs tend to have ugly/boring fights, i'm hoping that because of what's at stake we get to see a really good scrap. Carl has been battle tested, but i'm not so sure Ward has been yet, so it will be interesting to see how Ward does when he's up against someone who's his equal, that can bang.

I like Froch's chances in this fight, i'm thinking that Ward might be a tad overrated, and I just don't see Ward being able to "dominate" Froch or control the action. Atlantic City is Froch's new home away from home, and even though it's in the U.S., Froch will have as many if not more fans cheering him on.

BTW, I thought Kessler/Froch was a damn good, action packed Super-middleweight fight, I was impressed with both guys.

I have a hard time seeing how anyone can pick Froch in this fight. I think it's a ho-hum UD for Ward. As far as being "battle tested," it seems weird to suggest that because Ward had an easy win over Kessler, while Froch struggled and lost to him, that's somehow a point in Froch's favor.

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Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX

I have a hard time seeing how anyone can pick Froch in this fight. I think it's a ho-hum UD for Ward. As far as being "battle tested," it seems weird to suggest that because Ward had an easy win over Kessler, while Froch struggled and lost to him, that's somehow a point in Froch's favor.

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Who suggested that? All I said was Froch/Kessler was a good fight.

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I have a hard time seeing how anyone can pick Froch in this fight. I think it's a ho-hum UD for Ward. As far as being "battle tested," it seems weird to suggest that because Ward had an easy win over Kessler, while Froch struggled and lost to him, that's somehow a point in Froch's favor.

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Who suggested that? All I said was Froch/Kessler was a good fight.

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When you said that Froch has been battle-tested, but it's not clear that Ward has been yet. That's something I'd put in Froch's favor if it were the result of Froch's having faced markedly better competition, but when Ward hasn't been tested because he had an easy time with a guy who beat Froch, that's a different story.

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I have a hard time seeing how anyone can pick Froch in this fight. I think it's a ho-hum UD for Ward. As far as being "battle tested," it seems weird to suggest that because Ward had an easy win over Kessler, while Froch struggled and lost to him, that's somehow a point in Froch's favor.

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Who suggested that? All I said was Froch/Kessler was a good fight.

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When you said that Froch has been battle-tested, but it's not clear that Ward has been yet. That's something I'd put in Froch's favor if it were the result of Froch's having faced markedly better competition, but when Ward hasn't been tested because he had an easy time with a guy who beat Froch, that's a different story.

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I wasn't just referring to Froch's fight with Kessler or making a comparison to Ward's fight with Kessler. It's more about Froch having been in battles and passing the test, but it remains to be seen how Ward will do when he's in a dog fight and/or faced with serious adversity for the first time.

Ward may do just fine against Froch, but I believe he's going to have problems. This is not going to be an easy fight for Ward, Froch isn't a pushover for anyone, including Ward.

I'm rooting for the man from Notthingham. Froch has sold me. His bravado, which is borderline arrogant, can't hide that he also is a class act, and he is a nuanced boxer even though at first glance he appears slow and odd. I would favor Froch in a rematch with Kessler and I view Froch as the third best super middleweight behind Ward and Bute. He also is the best current fighter from Great Britain. That said, I have a hard time seeing how he beats Ward other than by landing a big shot. Ward won't tire like Taylor and he won't fight negatively like Dirrell. It's more likely that this is Ward's coming out party. Ward also has a drive to win that is similar to Froch's if not greater. Ward also appears to have more tricks up his sleeve than Froch. It's tough because I can't count Froch completely out.

A couple things that haven't been pointed out yet are that while Ward did look much better against Kessler for whatever it's worth (and it may not be too much) I believe Froch fought a better version of Mikkell Kessler than Ward did. Also, against their other common opponent, Abraham, Froch looked better than Ward. Also, Froch's had the tougher road in the Super Six.

Ward has a suspect chin and his best win was against Kessler, a fight he won with his head

also by the interview given on boxnation by kessler the ward camp was a bit naughty in the build up

all his other big wins his opponents have been soundly beaten by other fighters and in a much ore convincing mannor (Bika, Abraham, Green)

He has spent the whole of the supersix fighting at home, 2 of those fights in his home town

he has also had a much easier route to the final than froch

Ward is overrated

Froch by KO

Whoever loses this fight, will they be vilified and courted around the forum as a bum that should never of been fighting in the tournament in the first place ? I wonder.... :rolleyes:


Anywho, I see Ward taking the fight, but would love to see Carl take it to him and win. Froch gets hit far to easy for my liking, but does have great heart and some sound skills so hopefully he will pull it out.

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Originally Posted by erics44

Ward has a suspect chin and his best win was against Kessler, a fight he won with his head

also by the interview given on boxnation by kessler the ward camp was a bit naughty in the build up

all his other big wins his opponents have been soundly beaten by other fighters and in a much ore convincing mannor (Bika, Abraham, Green)

He has spent the whole of the supersix fighting at home, 2 of those fights in his home town

he has also had a much easier route to the final than froch

Ward is overrated

Froch by KO

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I agree with most of what you're saying eric, Ward headbutted, fouled his way to win over Kessler in yet another fight in his hometown. Ward has also had a much easier route to the final than Froch, and I do believe he's a tad overrated. What I don't agree with is Froch winning by KO, that just isn't very likely, although i'd love seeing it. Realistically, if Froch wins at all it will be by a close, somewhat controversial decision, probably a SD.
BTW, I have nothing but disdain for Ward, but he is good at that shit that he does, it wins him fights, so this will be a tough fight for Carl.

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Originally Posted by erics44

Ward has a suspect chin and his best win was against Kessler, a fight he won with his head

also by the interview given on boxnation by kessler the ward camp was a bit naughty in the build up

all his other big wins his opponents have been soundly beaten by other fighters and in a much ore convincing mannor (Bika, Abraham, Green)

He has spent the whole of the supersix fighting at home, 2 of those fights in his home town

he has also had a much easier route to the final than froch

Ward is overrated

Froch by KO

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I agree with most of what you're saying eric, Ward headbutted, fouled his way to win over Kessler in yet another fight in his hometown. Ward has also had a much easier route to the final than Froch, and I do believe he's a tad overrated. What I don't agree with is Froch winning by KO, that just isn't very likely, although i'd love seeing it. Realistically, if Froch wins at all it will be by a close, somewhat controversial decision, probably a SD.
BTW, I have nothing but disdain for Ward, but he is good at that shit that he does, it wins him fights, so this will be a tough fight for Carl.

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Ward was out on his feet against Bika so I think a KO is a possibility

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Originally Posted by erics44

Ward has a suspect chin and his best win was against Kessler, a fight he won with his head

also by the interview given on boxnation by kessler the ward camp was a bit naughty in the build up

all his other big wins his opponents have been soundly beaten by other fighters and in a much ore convincing mannor (Bika, Abraham, Green)

He has spent the whole of the supersix fighting at home, 2 of those fights in his home town

he has also had a much easier route to the final than froch

Ward is overrated

Froch by KO

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Erics, the problem i see for Froch is that what's to say Ward won't fight the exact same way that he has in fights past using his head and rough-housing on the inside to smother Froch? It's been effective, why stop? Odds are he'll be the same Ward once again. Then ask yourself what can/will Froch do differently? Froch can fight backing up (Glen Johnson); Froch can box at range (Arthur Abraham); and, Froch can box (Jermain Taylor). When has Froch faced this type of fighter though? I believe it's very tough to prepare for Ward and that is part of what makes him a difficult opponent. Froch had Kid Chocolate and Tony Bellew (and some guy named Richard Pierson) to spar, but I don't see either as being able to replicate Ward well. Hopkins could. Kessler said that he had spoken to Froch on the phone and gave him tips. Hopefully, that will help Froch.

However, Froch has had trouble with speed. Dirrell had him wobbled if I recall once in their fight from catching Froch cleanly when Froch's hands were down and Taylor had him down from catching Froch cleanly in their fight. Ward has similar speed to Taylor although not as fast as Dirrell. Ward's a tough matchup for anyone at 168 and for Froch too. When I saw Ward dropped against ____ (can't recall name now), it was the guy's speed that shocked Ward. Froch doesn't have blinding speed. I believe Bute and Dirrell are tougher match-ups for Ward because of that. However, I can see Ward smother Bute too to be fair. Frankly, if Dirrell's head is in the game and he shows me he can adjust like Froch and Ward can, he may stylystically be the toughest for Ward.

Froch's best chance is that he catches Ward with something heavy earlier in the fight that makes Ward think twice about getting in range. It's possible but I suspect Ward dominates Froch with speed and rough-housing. Ward hasn't stopped anyone recently, maybe he does this time?

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Ward has a suspect chin and his best win was against Kessler, a fight he won with his head

also by the interview given on boxnation by kessler the ward camp was a bit naughty in the build up

all his other big wins his opponents have been soundly beaten by other fighters and in a much ore convincing mannor (Bika, Abraham, Green)

He has spent the whole of the supersix fighting at home, 2 of those fights in his home town

he has also had a much easier route to the final than froch

Ward is overrated

Froch by KO

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I agree with most of what you're saying eric, Ward headbutted, fouled his way to win over Kessler in yet another fight in his hometown. Ward has also had a much easier route to the final than Froch, and I do believe he's a tad overrated. What I don't agree with is Froch winning by KO, that just isn't very likely, although i'd love seeing it. Realistically, if Froch wins at all it will be by a close, somewhat controversial decision, probably a SD.
BTW, I have nothing but disdain for Ward, but he is good at that shit that he does, it wins him fights, so this will be a tough fight for Carl.

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Ward was out on his feet against Bika so I think a KO is a possibility

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When did that happen?

I have just wrote a 3,500 word article on Froch's progression in the super six and my views on the Ward fight. Hopefully it will be on the main site in time for the fight, Ill post it as soon as its on the website.

Got quite a lot of my views about the fight on it, there was so much to talk about. So excited for the fight though, really hope Froch can do it.

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I have just wrote a 3,500 word article on Froch's progression in the super six and my views on the Ward fight. Hopefully it will be on the main site in time for the fight, Ill post it as soon as its on the website.

Got quite a lot of my views about the fight on it, there was so much to talk about. So excited for the fight though, really hope Froch can do it.

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Looking forward to it, Tam.

Unless I'm mistaken, the match is for the Ring Magazine Belt as well, right? Meaning, it is for the lineal championship at super middleweight. It's a big deal for the division.

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Ward has a suspect chin and his best win was against Kessler, a fight he won with his head

also by the interview given on boxnation by kessler the ward camp was a bit naughty in the build up

all his other big wins his opponents have been soundly beaten by other fighters and in a much ore convincing mannor (Bika, Abraham, Green)

He has spent the whole of the supersix fighting at home, 2 of those fights in his home town

he has also had a much easier route to the final than froch

Ward is overrated

Froch by KO

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I agree with most of what you're saying eric, Ward headbutted, fouled his way to win over Kessler in yet another fight in his hometown. Ward has also had a much easier route to the final than Froch, and I do believe he's a tad overrated. What I don't agree with is Froch winning by KO, that just isn't very likely, although i'd love seeing it. Realistically, if Froch wins at all it will be by a close, somewhat controversial decision, probably a SD.
BTW, I have nothing but disdain for Ward, but he is good at that shit that he does, it wins him fights, so this will be a tough fight for Carl.

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Ward was out on his feet against Bika so I think a KO is a possibility

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Anything is possible in boxing, but if Froch KO's Ward, i'd be pretty amazed, more then likely it will go the full 12. I just don't see either one of these guys knocking the other out.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Froch can box (Jermain Taylor).

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Recall that Froch was losing *badly* before KO'ing Taylor.

I'm curious what the odds are for this fight. I honestly see Froch as a full class below Ward and having virtually no chance of winning the fight.

IMO he lost the fight to Dirrell. He lost to Kessler (which was the ugliest, sloppist, most amateurish looking fight I've ever seen between two supposedly elite fighters). On my cards, he's lost half of the Super 6 fights he's been in.

He looked good in the Johnson fight though, I'll give him that. So maybe he's really just improved drastically since the beginning of the tournament.

I'd still be happy to lay down a wad of cash on Ward with even halfway-decent odds.

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Ward has a suspect chin and his best win was against Kessler, a fight he won with his head

also by the interview given on boxnation by kessler the ward camp was a bit naughty in the build up

all his other big wins his opponents have been soundly beaten by other fighters and in a much ore convincing mannor (Bika, Abraham, Green)

He has spent the whole of the supersix fighting at home, 2 of those fights in his home town

he has also had a much easier route to the final than froch

Ward is overrated

Froch by KO

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I agree with most of what you're saying eric, Ward headbutted, fouled his way to win over Kessler in yet another fight in his hometown. Ward has also had a much easier route to the final than Froch, and I do believe he's a tad overrated. What I don't agree with is Froch winning by KO, that just isn't very likely, although i'd love seeing it. Realistically, if Froch wins at all it will be by a close, somewhat controversial decision, probably a SD.
BTW, I have nothing but disdain for Ward, but he is good at that shit that he does, it wins him fights, so this will be a tough fight for Carl.

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Ward was out on his feet against Bika so I think a KO is a possibility

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When did that happen?

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last round

ward struggled badly with bika and out of all wards opponents so far you could mosly liken froch to bika in the way that they are both rough rugged tough men who can mix it and live with the heads and elbows

froch is a lot better than bika tho

i honestly dont understand why ward is so much the favourite, his one shinning result was against kessler and in that fight all of the damage was done by the head

which other fight have we seen this superstar that everyone raves about?

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Froch can box (Jermain Taylor).

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Recall that Froch was losing *badly* before KO'ing Taylor.

I'm curious what the odds are for this fight. I honestly see Froch as a full class below Ward and having virtually no chance of winning the fight.

IMO he lost the fight to Dirrell. He lost to Kessler (which was the ugliest, sloppist, most amateurish looking fight I've ever seen between two supposedly elite fighters). On my cards, he's lost half of the Super 6 fights he's been in.

He looked good in the Johnson fight though, I'll give him that. So maybe he's really just improved drastically since the beginning of the tournament.

I'd still be happy to lay down a wad of cash on Ward with even halfway-decent odds.

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what makes you say froch is a class below ward? which fights of wards make you say this?

against AA froch did a much better job away from home
bika, bute and calazaghi beat him a lot clearer and more comfortable
green, johnson did a much better job
miranda, how many fighters have done a better job

like i keep saying by far his best result was against kessler and all of the damage was done by the head

take the kessler fight away is ward really the superstar everyone is suggesting?

Yep, Ward held on and held and held for dear lofe late against Bika.

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Froch can box (Jermain Taylor).

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Recall that Froch was losing *badly* before KO'ing Taylor.

I'm curious what the odds are for this fight. I honestly see Froch as a full class below Ward and having virtually no chance of winning the fight.

IMO he lost the fight to Dirrell. He lost to Kessler (which was the ugliest, sloppist, most amateurish looking fight I've ever seen between two supposedly elite fighters). On my cards, he's lost half of the Super 6 fights he's been in.

He looked good in the Johnson fight though, I'll give him that. So maybe he's really just improved drastically since the beginning of the tournament.

I'd still be happy to lay down a wad of cash on Ward with even halfway-decent odds.

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The counter argument, which erics makes, is other than Kessler when has Ward look as dominant as he's made out to be? He beat Bika but the fight was closer than the scorecards suggested in my opinion. At the same time, Froch's fight against Johnson was relatively close too. Froch and Dirrell was a crappy fight and tough to score, and I believe we can be honest with ourselves that any way you look at it, it was close. In any event, we have no idea how Ward would perform against Dirrell. Dirrell. Froch looked better against Abraham than Ward did and won by more rounds.

Also, I was at Froch's fight against Taylor and I'll tell you how it looked from a spectator's perspective. Taylor was winning the fight going into the later rounds, but somewhere around round 9, give or take a round, the momentum in the fight began to swing toward Froch, at which point Froch began outboxing Taylor.

Erics - it's the Kessler fights that are what convince people Ward is the favorite. Call it using his head or whatever, but any way you look at it, his strategy in that fight took Kessler out of his game, and won Ward the fight. Froch wasn't as effective as Ward was against Kessler. There's just not two ways about it.

Bute and Calzaghe looked better against Bika but Froch hasn't faced Bika so the comparison doesn't work. Same goes for Allan Green.

Here are the facts.
If ward comes forward like against Kessler then ward will be ktfo in 4 as he will walk on to uppercuts.
If he boxes on the back foot froch will march him down like grass as froch is harder tougher than haggler and has more stamina and power.
If froch catches ward with any shots that Johnson took then ward is fucked!!
A ward fan would be foolish to disagree

i think this fight may suprise people with how good it will be. Both guys like to make it ugly and know the other does likewise, watch for headbutt, elbows, holding and hitting.....that aside ward has very good speed and movement and froch is strong and brave

This thread is amazing to me.

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Froch can box (Jermain Taylor).

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Recall that Froch was losing *badly* before KO'ing Taylor.

I'm curious what the odds are for this fight. I honestly see Froch as a full class below Ward and having virtually no chance of winning the fight.

IMO he lost the fight to Dirrell. He lost to Kessler (which was the ugliest, sloppist, most amateurish looking fight I've ever seen between two supposedly elite fighters). On my cards, he's lost half of the Super 6 fights he's been in.

He looked good in the Johnson fight though, I'll give him that. So maybe he's really just improved drastically since the beginning of the tournament.

I'd still be happy to lay down a wad of cash on Ward with even halfway-decent odds.

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Ward is about a 3-1 favorite.

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Erics - it's the Kessler fights that are what convince people Ward is the favorite. Call it using his head or whatever, but any way you look at it, his strategy in that fight took Kessler out of his game, and won Ward the fight. Froch wasn't as effective as Ward was against Kessler. There's just not two ways about it.

Bute and Calzaghe looked better against Bika but Froch hasn't faced Bika so the comparison doesn't work. Same goes for Allan Green.

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yep the kessler fights seem to be the yard stick

and im not making excuses but ward was in his home town and froch was in kesslers home town and by the sounds of things wards camp were a bit naughty in the build up to the fight with kes

so ward had the advantages and froch didnt, i also find it hard to believe anyone could score the froch kes fight to kessler but thats another story

and i wasnt comparing the ward bika fight to anything froch has done, i was just saying everyone is saying ward is a superstar and unbeatable, but if that was the case why hasnt he looked that way? he has struggled (or been a lot less convincing) with fighters that other people have dominated

in the last round against bika ward was in trouble, he was hanging on, another 3 rounds would have been interesting

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This thread is amazing to me.

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Why?

Strange thing to say then not follow it up with anything, other than telling us Ward is favourite.

I really like Froch, he's never in a dull fight and never takes an easy fight.

Against AA, it was a masterclass, against Kessler, I don't know what his issue was, but he didn't start fighting until half way. I thought he was very much ontop for the second half of the fight and pretty much threw it away. with the early rounds.

I have been converted, because until the Pascal fight I didn't rate Froch at all. He looked great as an amateur, but his defence as a pro has been awful. I haven't seen much of Ward, but from what I have seen, I think he will win.

Wasn't too long ago that everybody was not giving a British SMW a hope in hell against the lates American star and look what happend then - hope history repates itself :cool:

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This thread is amazing to me.

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Watch the first 30 seconds of this and it won't so much ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm9iybFs4mk

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This thread is amazing to me.

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Andre Ward is so bad to watch, do you honestly get Ward fanboys?!

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I really like Froch, he's never in a dull fight and never takes an easy fight.

Against AA, it was a masterclass, against Kessler, I don't know what his issue was, but he didn't start fighting until half way. I thought he was very much ontop for the second half of the fight and pretty much threw it away. with the early rounds.

I have been converted, because until the Pascal fight I didn't rate Froch at all. He looked great as an amateur, but his defence as a pro has been awful. I haven't seen much of Ward, but from what I have seen, I think he will win.

Wasn't too long ago that everybody was not giving a British SMW a hope in hell against the lates American star and look what happend then - hope history repates itself :cool:

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froch didnt lose a round against kes till maybe 6

watch the 4th its so one sided i didnt think the fight would go any longer

kes doesnt hit froch with anything significant until the 6th

you are right on one thing tho, froch does dominate the last 6, just not quite as much as he did the first

Am I in the right thread? Did someone just call Froch a "class act"???
I wish he wasn't such a toolbag..he'd be very easy to root for.

Froch isn't fake and you have to admire his honest up front approach

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Am I in the right thread? Did someone just call Froch a "class act"???
I wish he wasn't such a toolbag..he'd be very easy to root for.

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I don't know about being a "class act", but Froch is a somewhat likable guy, and I respect him for what he's been able to accomplish. I know I like Froch a hell of a lot better then that "son of god" douche Andre Ward.

Ward is a slick boxer, and he's good at the shit that he does, but he's far from unbeatable. Froch may not win this fight, but the odds favoring Ward 3-1 seem a bit inflated to me. I like Carl's chances, especially if it turns into a competitive war.

Big H - the Jeff Lacy-Joe Calzaghe comparison is a good one for Froch fans.

Froch's faced tougher challenges in his pro career than Ward has. I just have a hard time seeing Ward losing this fight. His smothering style is tough to beat. As much as Erics and Finito hate me for it, my favorite super middleweight is Lucian Bute, and I would say the same thing for Bute as I would say for Froch, Ward is a tough fight. He's just tough to hit cleanly. If Froch wins this fight, it'll go down as not only a great feat in the supermiddleweight division but in boxing lore as a whole. Froch is a guy that people have consistently picked against his whole career and he's consistently proved them wrong. He travels abroad to fight the best. He's tough. It's hard not to appreciate him. It's just in Ward he's going to face a very nuanced boxer. More nuanced than I believe he's faced so far. This is one of those fights where if I bet, I would bet on Ward, but root for Froch.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Big H - the Jeff Lacy-Joe Calzaghe comparison is a good one for Froch fans.

Froch's faced tougher challenges in his pro career than Ward has. I just have a hard time seeing Ward losing this fight. His smothering style is tough to beat. As much as Erics and Finito hate me for it, my favorite super middleweight is Lucian Bute, and I would say the same thing for Bute as I would say for Froch, Ward is a tough fight. He's just tough to hit cleanly. If Froch wins this fight, it'll go down as not only a great feat in the supermiddleweight division but in boxing lore as a whole. Froch is a guy that people have consistently picked against his whole career and he's consistently proved them wrong. He travels abroad to fight the best. He's tough. It's hard not to appreciate him. It's just in Ward he's going to face a very nuanced boxer. More nuanced than I believe he's faced so far. This is one of those fights where if I bet, I would bet on Ward, but root for Froch.

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Yeh agreed mate

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Big H - the Jeff Lacy-Joe Calzaghe comparison is a good one for Froch fans.

Froch's faced tougher challenges in his pro career than Ward has. I just have a hard time seeing Ward losing this fight. His smothering style is tough to beat. As much as Erics and Finito hate me for it, my favorite super middleweight is Lucian Bute, and I would say the same thing for Bute as I would say for Froch, Ward is a tough fight. He's just tough to hit cleanly. If Froch wins this fight, it'll go down as not only a great feat in the supermiddleweight division but in boxing lore as a whole. Froch is a guy that people have consistently picked against his whole career and he's consistently proved them wrong. He travels abroad to fight the best. He's tough. It's hard not to appreciate him. It's just in Ward he's going to face a very nuanced boxer. More nuanced than I believe he's faced so far. This is one of those fights where if I bet, I would bet on Ward, but root for Froch.

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Yes with froch being Calzaghe and ward being lacy I must agree with u as froch doesn't walk into punches like lacy so yes good comparison

ward sucks-cheating dirty fighting "S.O.B". I'm American and I hope froch beats his ass!!!
should be aexciting fight as long as ward don't smother hug and roughhouse all night, which u know he will. if they go toe to toe, froch will win.
if ward does his smothering boring crap, he will rob us of a good fight and will win a lame decision.

WARD SUCKS!!!