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Cool have you made one of how many times Peterson had his head on Khan's chest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Then warn him, where were the warnings? It's a title fight FFS, the REF was poor in not letting Khan know that what he was doing was unacceptable. He should've been warned at least twice before any point deductions. Ali pushed all the time, so did big George, so did Joe. It doesn't make it right, but at least give the fighter the knowledge that you're onto him and as the referee the next time you do it there will be a point deduction.
I'd like to see a ref deduct a point every time Floyd uses his elbow?
Floyds elbows are unique..lol
This video had alot pushes in them!
Khan is a great proffessional amatear. Pure boxer. No defense.
the ref warns him continuously throughout the clips shown.
can't you hear him say it over and over?
This ...one thing that irks me refeering really is so subjective in boxing. One ref will let a fighter get castrated due to low blows, another will constant hugin happen, while another freaks at slightest sign of in fighting, its all very inconsistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Some people have selective hearing. Khan was being warned all night long. 'Stop pushing', simple but filled with meaning. You have to listen to the referee and adapt. Khan ignored him and carried on. He also ignored his own corner all night long too. Khan has a potato between the ears.
Dude I just watched the fight again right now and the ref clearly tells Khan at the start of Round 6 "Stop pushing or I'm gonna take a point!" and then half way into round 6 he breaks them up and points a stern finger at Khan and says "STOP PUSHING!" and one more time before the round is out.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Then, he warns him a few times in round 7 and there he docks a point. Completely justified. Round 12 I don't think was justified but then again, neither was the counted knockdown for Khan. Replays show he clearly forearms lamont to the floor. So that cancels each other out.
People act like the ref just beamed down from space in round 7 and docked a random point off Khan. He warned him from Rounds 1-7 about pushing. I'm surprised he didn't take a point sooner.
khan lost the fight and he cant have any complaints
the ref was shit but its just an excuse
This proves Andre wars is a cheat and a dirty fighter as he butted Kessler and had his head on Allan greens chestQuote:
Originally Posted by onoCool have you made one of how many times Peterson had his head on Khan's chest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
That just proves how harsh the point deductions were. Those pushes were nothing and nothing that hasn't happened in a million other fights. Didn't bother Peterson in the slightest.
When you see fighters blatantly getting away with low blows and headbutts every week, to lose TWO points for pushing is pathetic.
Who can name another fight where someone lost points for pushing?
Well that's a conversation killer ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You know, the download of the fight I got was in Russian, and the commentary was that minimal and quiet, that I could pretty much hear every word the referee spoke. So much so, that it was becoming extremely irritating. His favourite words throughout the fight were "STOP PUSHIN KHAN, STOP PUSHIN" over and over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I actually had the fight for Peterson by 2, and even felt that Peterson could have let his hands go a little more and made it even clearer. Khan could have been disqualified no problems IMO and was lucky not to be. Khans complete inabilty to fight on the inside and his lack of power let him down on the night.
i watched that ward kessler fight the other day and ward looked good but all of the damage on kesslers face was done with the headQuote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeThis proves Andre wars is a cheat and a dirty fighter as he butted Kessler and had his head on Allan greens chestQuote:
Originally Posted by onoCool have you made one of how many times Peterson had his head on Khan's chest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
he butted one eye and cut it and then butted the same eye again and opened the cut and there was no action, the damamge on then other eye was through the head too
virtually ever time he threw a punch he followed it with the head
best thing that froch can do is do the same coz ward isnt gonna get pulled up for it
The most stupid part of this story is that had it been Peterson in Khan's position with the poont deductions for pushing, both sets of fans on here would completely switch sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Bilbo, there aren't any Khan fans on here. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThe most stupid part of this story is that had it been Peterson in Khan's position with the poont deductions for pushing, both sets of fans on here would completely switch sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It's funny, this video shows some 50 + "pushes" by Khan, but I really didn't even notice it or give it a second thought until the ref started deducting points. I'd really thought the point deductions were going to be for pushing Peterson's head down and not for pushing him off. I can't recall seeing another major championship fight where 2 points were deducted for "pushing", that was just totally uncalled for.
PS. I'm surprised this dumbass ref didn't DQ Khan after the 2nd point deduction, then there would have really been an uproar.
i don't know... the ref tells you to stop doing something 25 times over the course of a fight.
and that thing he tells you to stop doing is illegal and you unfairly benefit from...
why wouldn't points be taken?
Agreed. And the argument that something has not happened before, therefore it should not happen is an illogical argument to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
He was warned plenty of times but I thought if a point was to be taken it would be for pushing Peterson's head down.
Pushing off is exactly like clinching...I see nothing wrong with what Khan was doing other than that he was too deliberate with it. You have to be subtle about it man. Lennox Lewis pushed people off.
The thing is Lamont wanted to work on the inside and Khan should know other than fighting with him on the inside the best ways to combat it are #1 Pushing off (as he was doing) or #2 Clinching/Tying up......it's really good when you can mix the two. Tie your opponent up, push off before the ref breaks you and that way you CAN punch on the break.
Seems to me that Khan just made some youthful mistakes...he didn't seem terribly weak, I'm very happen for Peterson as he and his brother have really had tough lives.
I heard the Ref, but did Khan hear it? He's fighting, he has the crowd noise to contend with and the concentration of not being hit to deal with. The Ref has noticed the pushing, the video clearly shows the pushing, then the referee should've have called time and officially warned Khan to stop pushing or points will be deducted and the risk of a DQ was on the cards. You just can't keep yelling out while they are fighting? The Ref failed to adequately warn Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
True, just saying, pushing off, although "illegal" is something that normally doesn't get called, so why was the ref even doing it to begin with. Peterson himself said he wasn't bothered by the pushes, what he said bothered him, was having his head pulled down.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
its got nothing to do with what peterson felt bothered by. nor does it have anything to do with how refs handled pushing in other fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axTrue, just saying, pushing off, although "illegal" is something that normally doesn't get called, so why was the ref even doing it to begin with. Peterson himself said he wasn't bothered by the pushes, what he said bothered him, was having his head pulled down.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
the ref was clearly heard telling khan to not push. he said it over and over and over.
the real question is why khan felt so comfortable ignoring the ref's orders round after round. even after having a point deducted he continued to push off.
the ref is like a cop. he applies the rules as he sees fit. if a cop tells you to stop breaking the law 25 times. you should probably listen to the cop.
Not that I care a hell of a lot, and i'm by no means defending Khan, just saying the whole thing was funky...Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoits got nothing to do with what peterson felt bothered by. nor does it have anything to do with how refs handled pushing in other fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axTrue, just saying, pushing off, although "illegal" is something that normally doesn't get called, so why was the ref even doing it to begin with. Peterson himself said he wasn't bothered by the pushes, what he said bothered him, was having his head pulled down.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
the ref was clearly heard telling khan to not push. he said it over and over and over.
the real question is why khan felt so comfortable ignoring the ref's orders round after round. even after having a point deducted he continued to push off.
the ref is like a cop. he applies the rules as he sees fit. if a cop tells you to stop breaking the law 25 times. you should probably listen to the cop.
Round 6 before the bell sounds "Stop pushing Khan or I'm gonna take a point"Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANI heard the Ref, but did Khan hear it? He's fighting, he has the crowd noise to contend with and the concentration of not being hit to deal with. The Ref has noticed the pushing, the video clearly shows the pushing, then the referee should've have called time and officially warned Khan to stop pushing or points will be deducted and the risk of a DQ was on the cards. You just can't keep yelling out while they are fighting? The Ref failed to adequately warn Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
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If that's not an official warning that Khans pea brain doesn't have time to digest, then he's screwed.
Fenster, the 2 points were ott. 1 point in round 7 was absolutely fine. You do see points taken off for various fouls like pushing. Castillo vs Mayweather springs to mind. Both got a point deducted each. Floyds was for pushing with the forearm. Forget what Castillo's was but similar. That's what point deductions are for.
Floyd lost a point for "elbowing"
Castillo lost a point for "hitting on the break"
How are those fouls in any way related to "pushing?" Khan's "pushes" wouldn't even be an issue had the points not been deducted. The "pushing" was so insignificant that Peterson actually thought Khan was docked points for pulling his head down. It didn't bother him in the slightest.
Clearly "pushing" is such a minor offence that no-one can even recall previous cases of point deductions.
It's sounds like a grade school teacher telling a 10 year old boy to stop pushing! The only way it was going to sink into Khan's mind or any fighter's mind is to call time during the round and officially warm him. The Ref never officially warned him during the fight, he should've broken Khan's fighting concentration and told him mid round. If this Ref was in the ring when Ali or Foreman were fighting then the fight wouldn't last 2 rounds! 2 points for pushing is harsh, it doesn't excuse Khan's poor performance, but i can think of hundreds of fights where i have seen a lot worse. Peterson was in no distress due to this action what so ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzRound 6 before the bell sounds "Stop pushing Khan or I'm gonna take a point"Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANI heard the Ref, but did Khan hear it? He's fighting, he has the crowd noise to contend with and the concentration of not being hit to deal with. The Ref has noticed the pushing, the video clearly shows the pushing, then the referee should've have called time and officially warned Khan to stop pushing or points will be deducted and the risk of a DQ was on the cards. You just can't keep yelling out while they are fighting? The Ref failed to adequately warn Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
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If that's not an official warning that Khans pea brain doesn't have time to digest, then he's screwed.
Fenster, the 2 points were ott. 1 point in round 7 was absolutely fine. You do see points taken off for various fouls like pushing. Castillo vs Mayweather springs to mind. Both got a point deducted each. Floyds was for pushing with the forearm. Forget what Castillo's was but similar. That's what point deductions are for.
Deductions on an extremely close match is tantamount to DQ'ing the penalized party and more than likely assured its beneficiary of a win, in a tightly contested fight,
Logic dictates. Even the slightly off the wall with any competence in reasoning can surely agree to this.
In a basketball analogy... A minute left in a ball game all tied at 104, suddenly the referee calls a technical on a very "weak" infraction. Two points! 104-106. Before long, another violation is called by this ref in the last possession for the now trailing team. Another two points on free throws... score now, 108-104, at this junture, practically it is game over! The "better team" did nothing to decide the outcome of the game, the man with the whistle made sure of that. The victor is the team whom he chose!
Boy! The referee sure showed them, "who's the boss", eh! Maybe he got tired of issuing those incessant warnings during the game! Instant justice! Maybe he's that NBA ref who went to jail for bets on the games. ;)
This is not to state that Lamont Peterson needed this gift from the ref, all's been docked is... granted that the scores are very even, the deductions purposefully represented a guarantee of victory for him. Not that Lamont needed it. He could have very well earned the win without them, but somehow the ref's less than stellar outing robbed Peterson of a "clean" win!
you're taking liberties with the facts by comparing the 7th round of a 12 round fight to the final minute of a basketball game.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
but... if the ref had been telling one team to stop doing something illegal over and over again over the course of the game; and that team was gaining advantage by repeatedly doing it; i think it the judge would be acting within reason if he were to penalise the team that has consistently broken the rules.
your point that the ref suddenly penalised khan is ridiculous because the ref had warned him 7 times before deducting the point the second to last time he said "Last time... Stop pushin'." at 1:17 of the 7th round.
what kind of win would khan have had if the ref had simply warned him a few dozen times and not penalised him for any infractions?
You have to face fact's, both fighter's were fighting, dirty Peterson got away with it
Khan did not.? The ref was not up to much,? but he did warn him I could see it coming
but could Khan's corner.? ;D
Highlights two things to me . One the Ref wasnt physically doing his job by touching both or physically ripping them apart, telling one stop leaning its not a wrestling match, then the other to stop pushing.
Also highlights that Kahn could of used footwork and made the other guy pay without expending so much energy pushing dead weight back all the time. Shows hes got allot more to learn about control too.