I don't like catch weight
Rumours have it Khan is going to fight golden old Mosley at catch weight
The fights a joke and I really don't care much for it but I am getting rather bored of all this catch weight rubbish!!!
If you can't make weight in the traditional weight then don't fight...simple!!!
Paq has won multi weight titles but rarely has he weighed at the championship limit and winning these titles have been suited for Paq and really don't count IMO
So I reckon all this catch weight rubbish makes a mockery of the whole thing and should be stopped
job biscuit (mockery)!!!
eh eh!!!
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Some catch weights make sense just to even the fight a bit like JCC and Whitaker, others are a joke and just unfair.
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Althugz
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Master
Some catch weights make sense just to even the fight a bit like JCC and Whitaker, others are a joke and just unfair.
I agree that some special attraction fights need a catch weight - Just that no title should ever really be on the line if you're not letting your opponent come in at the limit.
Agreed but TV has an obsession with an alphabet title and some will not promote the fight otherwise.
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Otley
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Abelardus
There shouldnt be catch weights. titles should stay in the weight they're made for.
Exactly...thats my point
Paq is good for boxing but has been pampered and set up to accomplish brilliance by catch weighting and getting some of his opponents to make weight to accomodate success and cheat the fans in to believing some false miracle
job biscuit (De La Hoya had to lose weight to fight Paq...and this hurt him)!!!
eh eh!!!
To be clear, the Oscar De La Hoya fight was not at a catchweight and in that fight Pacquiao came up from 135 and De La Hoya came down from 154 to 147. Also, the oddsmakers in Vegas had De La Hoya 2-1 favorite in that fight and many posters here on saddo's even had De La Hoya the prohibitive favorite.
Please realize that catch-weight fights didn't begin with Pacquiao. Many of boxing's greatest have fought at catchweights. In fact, Bernard Hopkins has fought in more catch-weight fights than Manny Pacquiao. Hopkins earned arguably his biggest wins--Kelly Pavlik & Oscar De La Hoya--at catchweights. He also fought Winky Wright and John Davis Jackson at catchweights.
Sugar Ray Leonard made Donny Lalonde come down to 168 in a fight for Lalonde's light heavyweight title.
Julio Cesar Chavez fought Meldrick Taylor at 145 for the welterweight title.
Roy Jones Jr. fought Felix Trinidad at 170 pounds.
I'm not taking a stand on catch-weights either way, but to say that Manny Pacquiao is the king of catchweights is erroneous. As far as I know, he has fought three fights at catchweight: Cotto, Margarito and JMM. The only fight of those where I felt the weight favored Pacquiao was against Cotto.
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Rantcatrat
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Otley
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Abelardus
There shouldnt be catch weights. titles should stay in the weight they're made for.
Exactly...thats my point
Paq is good for boxing but has been pampered and set up to accomplish brilliance by catch weighting and getting some of his opponents to make weight to accomodate success and cheat the fans in to believing some false miracle
job biscuit (De La Hoya had to lose weight to fight Paq...and this hurt him)!!!
eh eh!!!
To be clear, the Oscar De La Hoya fight was not at a catchweight and in that fight Pacquiao came up from 135 and De La Hoya came down from 154 to 147. Also, the oddsmakers in Vegas had De La Hoya 2-1 favorite in that fight and many posters here on saddo's even had De La Hoya the prohibitive favorite.
Please realize that catch-weight fights didn't begin with Pacquiao. Many of boxing's greatest have fought at catchweights. In fact,
Bernard Hopkins has fought in more catch-weight fights than Manny Pacquiao. Hopkins earned arguably his biggest wins--Kelly Pavlik & Oscar De La Hoya--at catchweights. He also fought Winky Wright and John Davis Jackson at catchweights.
Sugar Ray Leonard made Donny Lalonde come down to 168 in a fight for Lalonde's light heavyweight title.
Julio Cesar Chavez fought Meldrick Taylor at 145 for the welterweight title.
Roy Jones Jr. fought Felix Trinidad at 170 pounds.
I'm not taking a stand on catch-weights either way, but to say that Manny Pacquiao is the king of catchweights is erroneous. As far as I know, he has fought three fights at catchweight: Cotto, Margarito and JMM. The only fight of those where I felt the weight favored Pacquiao was against Cotto.
Exactly, Margarito fighting at a catchweight of 150 was to Margarito's advantage as he was previously at 147 and was allowed 3 extra pounds.
Catchweights have always been in the sport, and aren't really unfair on the bigger guy imo. They merely serve to offset the massive unfair advantage the bigger fighter has by no longer having to weigh in the same day.
No fighter has ever actually had to fight Manny weighing less than the championship weight limit, they merely need to hit that weight limit for one minute of the day 24 hours before the fight. By fight night they are usually 10 lbs heavier.
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Althugz
You fight for belts at the weight - If you want a catch weight, no title should be on the line. Greedy alphabet organisations are just as much to blame.
Good point, I think that's what has to be the issue with catchweight fights. It's ridiculous to criticize a fighter for pursuing catchweights; all boxers are independent contractors free to set their own terms, at least in theory they should be;) At the same time though, it's equally loopy for a fighter to be a champion defending his title at a given weight yet not being allowed to weigh in even close to the limit. It's the fact that sanctioning bodies are so easily manipulated that makes some of these fights stink imo, but at the same time you can't really use any other sport in contrast, as individual athletes don't really have the same bargaining power.
It boils down to whether Manny or Hopkins or anyone else would actually care enough about winning the title to concede a few pounds to their opponent, and I suspect this is rarely the case anymore hence the Alphabet bodies just make it easy on themselves.
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Some fights needs to be made at any cost. But I agree, catchweight should be a non-title fight only.
Fights that need to be made . . .
1. Martinez vs Ward. Martinez has don't really fit as a middleweight. So for him to go up to 168 will probably kill him. Ward been at 168 almost his while career. I even think he fought over 168. So getting down to 160 will kill him. 164 is the middle ground.
2. Martinez vs Mayweather. No catchweight IMO, but a meet in the middle at 154 should work.
CAtchweights that should never have been.
Pacman vs Cotto
Pacman vs JMM
I simply don't understand those catchweight fights
As far as Mosley vs Khan, Mosley said he won't drop past 147. So Khan needs to come all the way up to 147. Besides Shane's power, Khan should win at any weight. If Shane hit Khan the way he hit Floyd, GOODNIGHT!!!!
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If the title is at stake then make that weight. Someone will always lose his edge if he has to come down to meet some prim a dona who can't make the weight and has to have everyone else cater to him. If he can't get it, poor baby.
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Ant Live
Some fights needs to be made at any cost. But I agree, catchweight should be a non-title fight only.
Fights that need to be made . . .
1. Martinez vs Ward. Martinez has don't really fit as a middleweight. So for him to go up to 168 will probably kill him. Ward been at 168 almost his while career. I even think he fought over 168. So getting down to 160 will kill him. 164 is the middle ground.
2. Martinez vs Mayweather. No catchweight IMO, but a meet in the middle at 154 should work.
CAtchweights that should never have been.
Pacman vs Cotto
Pacman vs JMM
I simply don't understand those catchweight fights
As far as Mosley vs Khan, Mosley said he won't drop past 147. So Khan needs to come all the way up to 147. Besides Shane's power, Khan should win at any weight. If Shane hit Khan the way he hit Floyd, GOODNIGHT!!!!
Ant makes a good point in that catch weights are somewhat suspect when they are used as an advantage for one of the participants, but make more sense when used as the only way to make a fight. There is no reason for Floyd to face Martinez at 150 other than to have an advantage over Martinez because Floyd has fought at 154 with success in the past. There was no reason for Pacquiao to fight Cotto at 145 either for that matter.
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Althugz
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Master
Some catch weights make sense just to even the fight a bit like JCC and Whitaker, others are a joke and just unfair.
I agree that some special attraction fights need a catch weight - Just that no title should ever really be on the line if you're not letting your opponent come in at the limit.
Both these points make perfect sense.
