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De La Hoya Still Gives Mayweather The Edge on Pacquiao - Boxing News
De la Hoya thinks Mayweather would still beat Pacquiao which is fair enough IMO, I think he would. The interesting thing about this article is the bottom when De La Hoya is talking about the fights he had with both Mayweather and Pacquiao and how he thought in his prime he would have beaten them both. How do you think a prime De la Hoya would do against these two??
Floyd is a bellend and thats why most of us hate him , however its clear he is a great great fighter , and one of the very best of all time.
Wow Oscar...really going out on a limb with that pick. As far as prime Oscar vs. Floyd/Pac. I think he would still have lost to Floyd and I give a slight edge over Pac. Oscar was a great fighter but Floyd is just too slick. I have to say though...Oscar had a great jab. He actually used it effectively against Floyd for part of their fight. Against Pac it would be interesting. Pac is hittable and Oscar had great skill and that powerful hook. It would be interesting to see if his always questioned stamina would hold up against Pac's continous pressure.
Agree with everything in your post. Hey, great minds think alike! I think it and you post it, funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
A prime Oscar over Floyd, possibly but I think he still would have choked. A prime Oscar over Pacquiao is another possibility however most thought pacquiao couldn't handle the punch of a legitimate 147 lb fighter.
Floyd would have made Oscar look like an amateur at the very beginning 130lbs. Floyd overwhelmed everyone and Oscar wouldn't be able to handle Floyd's power at that weight or at 135 so my comparison ends there.
Including Freddy Roach, why do you think he was so selective over who he'd let pac actually fight at 147 and not a catchweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I should imagine someone has already pointed this out (havent read all the posts) but its so ridiculous I feel the need to comment now!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Oscar was far from a legit 147lb fighter:rolleyes:
He hadnt foight at that weight for 7 years and had fought up at middle and even then Manny needed him to come in well below the limit, at 145lb! He was a totally weight drained fighter!
I have no doubt that the fighter who fought Trinidad, Quartey and Mosely would be far too much for Pacquiao.
I think Floyd always beats him. Dont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!
Oscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
DLH wanna see Floyd lose by any means by anyone. Even to the point where he's just going to SAY IT to sike himself out. DLH has said since he lost to Floyd that whomever he fought was going to beat him. Now he saying he'll go with Floyd? DLH even been to other fighters camps and dressing rooms encouraging Floyd's opponents. Now Pacman, maybe the best since he whip Hoya, he's saying he have the edge?
WOOOOW!!!! Don't believe him for a second!!!
By the way, a prime Hoya would not have quit on the stool in his prime. And would have let his hands go. Hoya over Pacman.
Floyd over Hoya all day everyday.
He got dropped at least once early in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
As far as the question goes I think prime Floyd beats prime Oscar. Prime Oscar against prime Manny I would have liked to see. Manny in his prime with his late career skills would have won I think.
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He'd lose.
Next question...
I think Oscar is over-rating himself there. Mayweather would have beaten Oscar at any stage in his career. Oscar was beaten by Trinidad in his prime and Pernell Whittaker (I know he got the decision but Whittaker was robbed IMO)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Yeah Mayweather beats Pac-Man all day. I don't that's exactly the boldest prediction Oscars has ever come out with.
While I agree Oscar would have lost to Floyd at any stage of his career...I think it would have been a very competitive fight. He didn't exactly embarrass himself when they fought...and he was no longer at his prime then. Delahoya had a great jab and it was effective against Floyd when he used it in that fight. Again, not saying Oscar would win...but i think it would have been a good fight in their primes.
Yep. And the card in favor of Oscar was preposterous. I scored that fight 9-3, easy. I believe Kellerman had the same score.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I do agree with this. A prime Oscar is probably a better opponent than anyone Floyd actually faced. (Though I would still pick Floyd to win it.)Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
These would be good fights, I think peak Oscar that fought Vargas may have beaten Floyd and Manny at 154lb. At welterweight I think a peak Manny (v which was against weight drained Oscar) and peak Floyd (v Shane) may have beaten Oscar and at the lower weights.
WTF? Their fight was a split decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
OK now your sound more like a hater. Pacquiao fought many legit 147lb fighters and proved he could handle the punch of bigger weight class. The question is hypothetical, not actual, so when attempting to make a point put some thought into it rather than a knee jerk reaction about your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI should imagine someone has already pointed this out (havent read all the posts) but its so ridiculous I feel the need to comment now!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Oscar was far from a legit 147lb fighter:rolleyes:
He hadnt foight at that weight for 7 years and had fought up at middle and even then Manny needed him to come in well below the limit, at 145lb! He was a totally weight drained fighter!
I have no doubt that the fighter who fought Trinidad, Quartey and Mosely would be far too much for Pacquiao.
I think Floyd always beats him. Dont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!
No doubt a prime Oscar could have put some hurt on Pacquiao. I think it comes down to, could a prime Oscar have caught Pacquiao? I don't know, but after seeing Pacquiao's subsequent fights, I doubt Oscar would have enough solid connects to take out Pacquiao or win on points. thus a prime Oscar beating Pacquiao is doubtful.
Fuck off!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyOK now your sound more like a hater. Pacquiao fought many legit 147lb fighters and proved he could handle the punch of bigger weight class. The question is hypothetical, not actual, so when attempting to make a point put some thought into it rather than a knee jerk reaction about your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI should imagine someone has already pointed this out (havent read all the posts) but its so ridiculous I feel the need to comment now!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Oscar was far from a legit 147lb fighter:rolleyes:
He hadnt foight at that weight for 7 years and had fought up at middle and even then Manny needed him to come in well below the limit, at 145lb! He was a totally weight drained fighter!
I have no doubt that the fighter who fought Trinidad, Quartey and Mosely would be far too much for Pacquiao.
I think Floyd always beats him. Dont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!
No doubt a prime Oscar could have put some hurt on Pacquiao. I think it comes down to, could a prime Oscar have caught Pacquiao? I don't know, but after seeing Pacquiao's subsequent fights, I doubt Oscar would have enough solid connects to take out Pacquiao or win on points. thus a prime Oscar beating Pacquiao is doubtful.
You must be what they call a pactard?
These are the facts... Oscar hadnt fought at 147 for 7 years! He had to make 145 which he would have struggled to do and be effective when he was fighting at 147. He had to be put on a drip after the weighin as he was so dehydrated. Even Cotto was made to struggle with weight. Pacquiao isnt that good. Hes been beaten twice now by someone who Floyd made look like a little boy. Floyd had the balls to go up to light middle and fight Oscar where he was strong.
The fact that it was scored a split was absolutely disgraceful. 9-3 was the correct way to score the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWTF? Their fight was a split decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
Quartey had him on his arse twice!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
The point that you are missing about Oscar is that he was versatile. He was happy to go hell for leather in his first fight against Mosley and against Quartey, and then box behind his jab against Tito and the return against Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyOK now your sound more like a hater. Pacquiao fought many legit 147lb fighters and proved he could handle the punch of bigger weight class. The question is hypothetical, not actual, so when attempting to make a point put some thought into it rather than a knee jerk reaction about your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI should imagine someone has already pointed this out (havent read all the posts) but its so ridiculous I feel the need to comment now!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Oscar was far from a legit 147lb fighter:rolleyes:
He hadnt foight at that weight for 7 years and had fought up at middle and even then Manny needed him to come in well below the limit, at 145lb! He was a totally weight drained fighter!
I have no doubt that the fighter who fought Trinidad, Quartey and Mosely would be far too much for Pacquiao.
I think Floyd always beats him. Dont forget, Floyd fought De La Hoya where he was comfortable, big and strong, up at light middle!
No doubt a prime Oscar could have put some hurt on Pacquiao. I think it comes down to, could a prime Oscar have caught Pacquiao? I don't know, but after seeing Pacquiao's subsequent fights, I doubt Oscar would have enough solid connects to take out Pacquiao or win on points. thus a prime Oscar beating Pacquiao is doubtful.
Subsequest connects against Pacquiao? Against whom? Please don't hold Hatton, Bradley, Clottey and Margarito up as poster boys for pinpoint speed, accuracy and power.
Truth is the closest to Oscar in quality Manny has faced post Oscar is Marquez and Cotto. Marquez had no trouble snapping Manny's head back, and Cotto had success when he boxed (and he is slower, smaller, lighter punching, and technically poorer than Oscar with a lesser chin.)
If Oscar elected to box Manny he would win easily.
This is me :dunce: its a dunce!Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenQuartey had him on his arse twice!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
You had a point though. Oscar was down a bit early in his career, and even Whitaker had him on the deck. I remember back in the mid nineties many boxing writers thought he was chinny.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThis is me :dunce: its a dunce!Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenQuartey had him on his arse twice!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOscar has never been dropped and that inclides fights with Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey. Hopkins was a body shot. Oscar has one of the best chins going. Even the shordrained version couldnt e dented byPacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
Difference was, all Oscar's knockdowns were flash knockdowns when he was off balance. I can't recall him ever being hurt or his legs wobbling.
Its probably when he thought or felt that he had no threat from his oponents power and fought stupid.
I actually think the Cotto that fought Floyd would beat Pac. Cotto was not only weight drained in the Pac fight...he still had not psychologically gotten over the first Margo fight.
I am a fan of Cotto but he is a one armed fighter and Manny beats him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I find it interesting how people are saying Floyd would totally beat Oscar easily on his prime when Floyd BARELY beat Oscar when he was past his prime. Imagine if it was during his prime.
Prime Oscar vs Pac. Hhhhmm I can imagine Oscar’s fast piercing jab snapping Manny’s head back throughout the fight.
Oscar was easily beaten by Floyd. I gave him 2-3 rounds maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Did you really agree with the glue-sniffing judges and have this close? Really? Have you watched it with the sound off?
While I agree Pac is a more dynamic fighter...Cotto is technically a better fighter. Cotto seems to have made a full physical and psychological recovery from the Margo debacle. Pac is showing wear and doesn't seem fully motivated anymore. If these two fought NOW...and Roach didn't try to weight drain Cotto...i see Miguel winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am a fan of Cotto but he is a one armed fighter and Manny beats him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by zhubinWhile I agree Pac is a more dynamic fighter...Cotto is technically a better fighter. Cotto seems to have made a full physical and psychological recovery from the Margo debacle. Pac is showing wear and doesn't seem fully motivated anymore. If these two fought NOW...and Roach didn't try to weight drain Cotto...i see Miguel winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am a fan of Cotto but he is a one armed fighter and Manny beats him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Another factor that gets forgotten is the difference in Cotto's corner now, from the corner during the Pac fight. Cotto now has a legitimate trainer... someone who has made a difference with Cotto. For the Pac fight, Cotto had practically NO trainer.... at least not one who was worth a damn. Cotto won the first couple of rounds against Pac by employing his jab, and repeatedly snapping Pac's head back. He then lost the fight, by trading much too early with Pac, and getting caught by Pac's superior hand speed. Pedro Diaz would've had a MUCH better gameplan for Cotto to follow. Not to mention the fact that Diaz has worked on Cotto's late round conditioning, and has used some unorthodox training methods with Cotto that seem to have done wonders.
The "Floyd" Cotto certainly has an inmensely better chance against Pac a second time around.
Would someone please stick a fork in this fight.
I dont give a fork.