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Ranking the world's top pound-for-pound boxers - ESPN
Interesting thing is Mayweather still ranked #1 and Pacquiao is dropped to 4th, IMO Ward and Martinez should be 1 & 2
1. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
2. ANDRE WARD
3. SERGIO MARTINEZ
4. MANNY PACQUIAO
5. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ
6. WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
7. NONITO DONAIRE
8. TIMOTHY BRADLEY JR.
9. VITALI KLITSCHKO
10. MIGUEL COTTO
Anyone could make adjustments to the top four on this list and not get much of an argument, although moving Mayweather below second is asking for a fight, in my opinion.
Hatton isn't in there? Beanie's gonna be pissed.
:o
Good list...... but I find that Bradley and Vitali are ranked a little too high.
Can't argue with the top 5 (not necessarily the order)
I would not have Vitali in there too rigid. :)
Pac
PBF
Martinez
Ward
W Klit
PBF and Pac have sailed weight divisions that other boxers just have not been able to do. They are almost always the msaller man in their fights.
Martinez also has conquered divisions and is fighting bigger/larger fighters in every match.
Ward is only a master of 1 division.
W Klit only has had to fight smaller foes for some time, but he has been winning so convincingly every fight... I think V Klit is better, technically, but he does not have the legs anymore.
I would have Alvarez in there now.
Why? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
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Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsWhy? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
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I fail to understand how a guy who pics his own fights that he knows he can win is ranked #1.
What's the p4p criteria, the best self promoter?
I think he will beat Cotto next year and will be ready for Floyd by then too. He has serious underrated skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeAmen!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsWhy? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Just got to out power him and pummel him, he's ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think he will beat Cotto next year and will be ready for Floyd by then too. He has serious underrated skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeAmen!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsWhy? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Who is stronger than him in the division only people to be able to beat him are Cotto and Floyd and they would have to out box him otherwise he will chew them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeJust got to out power him and pummel him, he's ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think he will beat Cotto next year and will be ready for Floyd by then too. He has serious underrated skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeAmen!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsWhy? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Agreed, you can only really fault some of Alvarez' opponents..But the dude is a beast who will bomb out most guys at 154 when asked to do so. I don't get the hate for this kid. Well, I guess I do if it's opponent related but I doubt we'll have to wait too long to see Canelo in there against the very best. (and kicking arse I might add)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think he will beat Cotto next year and will be ready for Floyd by then too. He has serious underrated skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeAmen!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsWhy? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Kids far from ordinary..Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeJust got to out power him and pummel him, he's ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think he will beat Cotto next year and will be ready for Floyd by then too. He has serious underrated skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeAmen!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsWhy? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Also, who do you suggest "out power and out pummel him"??
I think cracking the P4P list has less to do with talent and more to do with acheivements. He won the Title he holds from ... Matthew Hatton. That is about the saddest way to win a title. All the hate he gets is fromthe red carpet Sulemain is rolling out for his boxing career.
James Kirkland would give him a run for his money.
I think the kid has not had adversity, and he has never had to box on the back foot. Hell, Gomez was ahead at the time he got stopped in the 6th round. If you can't put rounds in the bank against him, you might want to start thinking about how he is going to adjust against a slick(er) boxer.
Canelo would beat Cotto now. I think Cotto is severly overrated at this point. He's still riding on past acheivement.. He will lose to Trout
“P4P” is a synonym for favourite. If it had any relevance we would not have 17 divisions soon to be 18 and 300 belts. How is it possible to even include two 6‘4 inch 250 pounders on this list? Not a big fan of the phrase “p4p” and you will not see me use it other then to reply once in awhile concerning its use.
It’s been completely bastardized over history to the point of almost being meaningless. Catchy tag I suppose and quicker to say then “my favourites are” or “I think the best are” but its historical significance is long gone.
How the hell can you NOT have PBF as #1 p4p? Pac is coming off a loss, and Ward and Martinez (as good as they are) have a long way to go before they are in the same ball park.
I know someone will respond to this by asking "What you count Pac/Bradley as a loss for Pac?" Well, if you want to play that game, Pac lost to JMM the fight before, so it evens out.
I think Sergio would make Canelo squirm
What is the last fight pbf has had which made people think he could lose? When is his last actual dangerous fight? He has hand picked his last 10 fights. He has done nothing spectacular this decade. Why is he in the top 5Quote:
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He's undefeated and has forgot more about boxing than the other guys mentioned ever knew. Best ring technician since Ray Robinson. The reason people don't think he will lose his fights is because he's insanely good.
So within the last 10 years he couldn't have fought anyone dangerousQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
He's undefeated and has forgot more about boxing than the other guys mentioned ever knew. Best ring technician since Ray Robinson. The reason people don't think he will lose his fights is because he's insanely good.
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Originally Posted by AlthugzKids far from ordinary..Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeJust got to out power him and pummel him, he's ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think he will beat Cotto next year and will be ready for Floyd by then too. He has serious underrated skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeAmen!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsWhy? He has not fought a LMW yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Also, who do you suggest "out power and out pummel him"??
Gennady Golovkin.
The only thing it means in my mind, is if you had a special machine, similar to the one the that Rick Moranis had in Honey I Shrunk the kids, zapp everyone down, or up to the same size, and bingo, who wins, that all P4P means. Its an "Idea" is all......Quote:
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Just for the record, I think if EVERYONE was the same size, let say 147, for example, I think Prime Mayweather beats pretty much all of them with potentially the exception of Martinez and Ward
Don't see how Froch isn't in there.
Pascal, Direll, Johnson, Abraham and Bute must count for something.
More deserving than Bradley.
Edit: Taylor aswell.
Cotto isn't dangerous? A 43-0 Ricky Hatton wasn't dangerous? Mosley? DLH? Victor Ortiz? You're anti-Mayweather bias makes you sound stupid, as it does the rest of his haters.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878So within the last 10 years he couldn't have fought anyone dangerousQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
He's undefeated and has forgot more about boxing than the other guys mentioned ever knew. Best ring technician since Ray Robinson. The reason people don't think he will lose his fights is because he's insanely good.
A old Mosley, Dlh don't qualify at all. Hatton dangerous? Really. Vic Ortiz is a Spanish hatton. Close eyes and rush in. Cotto was the most dangerous out of all of them. Which is why he put up the best fight. One real fight in a decade hardly makes him the best in my book. Step up and fight Paul Williams at a catch, pre injury. You have been called out by Martinez.....make da fuckin fight. Stop choosing to fight people who don't call u out.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerCotto isn't dangerous? A 43-0 Ricky Hatton wasn't dangerous? Mosley? DLH? Victor Ortiz? You're anti-Mayweather bias makes you sound stupid, as it does the rest of his haters.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
He's undefeated and has forgot more about boxing than the other guys mentioned ever knew. Best ring technician since Ray Robinson. The reason people don't think he will lose his fights is because he's insanely good.
So within the last 10 years he couldn't have fought anyone dangerous
Also, why did he never fight katsa zyu after he smashed Zab.
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Maybe it had something to do with Floyd being 2 weight classes below Kosta at the time?
It's great that you totally discount Hatton, then slam Floyd for not fighting a guy that Hatton smashed?
Get real, dude.
H,m so your telling me that hatton smashed the same kosta that beat Zab or a old shell of himself. U get real, dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
Maybe it had something to do with Floyd being 2 weight classes below Kosta at the time?
It's great that you totally discount Hatton, then slam Floyd for not fighting a guy that Hatton smashed?
Get real, dude.