Has anyone read the articles lately?
Roy accepts the 48 year Collins challenge to a legit boxing match
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Has anyone read the articles lately?
Roy accepts the 48 year Collins challenge to a legit boxing match
And it should be held in a land far far away
Somewhere Eubank sr is rubbing his hands together and tapping Benn up again;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
I think a masters or legends tournament would be a good laugh.
They should have a tournament with Collins, jones, eubank, benn, toney, Hopkins!
Fuck it throw in Howard Eastman
@Dropanuke I didn't believe this was serious, but it is apparently true. Wow, this shouldn't happen, but I would actually watch it as I grew up watching them both.
World Boxing News: Roy Jones accepts fight offer, Steve Collins calls his bluff
Roy Jones getting all pissy at Steve Collins offering him a fight (after hed retired) and Merchant saying this fight was "junk". This is when everyone was getting fed up of Jones pathetic list of opponents when he had Calzaghe and Michelczewski.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Erh4RKbHE
whoops! its too bad for roy that he didn't retire back in 97...
Jones was long gone from 168 when Joe came along and Dariusz is just as responsible as Roy for their fight never coming off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
168lb Steve Collins called out a 175lb Roy Jones in 1999?
Collins would have been obliterated.
I dont know, there has to be a reason why they never fought, including Benn and Eubank. It cant just be everyone elses fault can it? Even Mike Tyson probably the most feared fighter of the last 30 years had people queuing to fight him for the purse. Same as any feared fighter. They generate money.
Unless its a high risk low reward fighter (Bika) but having Jones scalp would be high reward. I do think I remember he wasnt a really big money fighter back then though. He wasnt put on British tv until 96. I remember the first fight of his on British tv was the Bryant Brannon fight. Maybe there was just not enough money or interest involved for the likes of Benn and Eubank who were relatively big earners.
They were all at fault. Ego is a terrible disease. Nobody wanted to go to the others back yard. I've always felt a little robbed as a fan that none of those took place. Eubank at his peak would have been the toughest for Roy imo.
Thank God Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns and Benitez never felt the same way.
Jones made his super middle debut against Toney at the end of '94, and was testing the waters at light heavy by January '96Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Eubank lost his title to Collins in early 95, then rematched Collins in late '95. Benn wanted easy paydays after McClellan in early '95, and lost his championship a year later.
I think it was as much a case of too small a window to sort these fights out.
As I said below, the fab four fought each other in round robins over a ten year period. Leonard waited years for Hagler to grow old. Had they had an 18 month window like Jones the fight would never have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Also, I didn't see any of the fab four knocking down McCallum's door.
Collins managed to get Benn out of retirement twice! Im sure if Jones wanted to add some of these names to his resume and put all the doubts to rest he could have tried the same.
In fact, if Collins had fought Calzaghe and got beaten I dont think he would have chased Jones. Eubank wouldnt have taken the Calzaghe fight and might have ended up being a title holder at light heav where Jones was and would have instantly become the biggest name opponent at light heavy.
Leonard fought Benitez late 1979 (end of Nov) and then fought Duran twice in six months starting in June 1980 and then again at the end of November. Then he fought Hearns 9 months later Sept 1981.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenAs I said below, the fab four fought each other in round robins over a ten year period. Leonard waited years for Hagler to grow old. Had they had an 18 month window like Jones the fight would never have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Also, I didn't see any of the fab four knocking down McCallum's door.
Hearns fought Benitez in 1982, Duran in 1984 and Hagler in 85. Duran fought Benitez in 82 and Hearns and Hagler in 83 and 84.
I think the issue is that nobody wanted to travel!
Roy didn't want to travel and when someone like Collins got in his face Roy's team were like nah we don't want the hungry Collins
I included the hearns-leonard rematch. It's still a lot longer than 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitLeonard fought Benitez late 1979 (end of Nov) and then fought Duran twice in six months starting in June 1980 and then again at the end of November. Then he fought Hearns 9 months later Sept 1981.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenAs I said below, the fab four fought each other in round robins over a ten year period. Leonard waited years for Hagler to grow old. Had they had an 18 month window like Jones the fight would never have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Also, I didn't see any of the fab four knocking down McCallum's door.
Hearns fought Benitez in 1982, Duran in 1984 and Hagler in 85. Duran fought Benitez in 82 and Hearns and Hagler in 83 and 84.
Why should roy have to travel?
I know its ego that have prevented alot of good fights from happening but surely the guy at the top of the hill gets first choice/preference.
Roy jones is stuck in greed mode and will take any named fighter.
Jones has been finished for so long its a joke.
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Originally Posted by BobthepenI included the hearns-leonard rematch. It's still a lot longer than 18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitLeonard fought Benitez late 1979 (end of Nov) and then fought Duran twice in six months starting in June 1980 and then again at the end of November. Then he fought Hearns 9 months later Sept 1981.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenAs I said below, the fab four fought each other in round robins over a ten year period. Leonard waited years for Hagler to grow old. Had they had an 18 month window like Jones the fight would never have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Also, I didn't see any of the fab four knocking down McCallum's door.
Hearns fought Benitez in 1982, Duran in 1984 and Hagler in 85. Duran fought Benitez in 82 and Hearns and Hagler in 83 and 84.
And that's not long at all especially since they were all shuffling weight classes. I mean Floyd takes 18 months off after almost every fight.
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Originally Posted by imp
What has become so frustrating with boxing though is that the top guy hasn't wanted to give himself a challenge by giving up those advantages. When you're that good, you don't need them and the fans want to see the top guy prove himself. I think people loved Ali for this. He had no qualms in coming over to the UK for the Cooper fight. He didn't need to but he did it anyway. Taking a chance like this can only help your fan base grow as well.
If you can make more money fighting at home though, why wouldn't you do that?
i was a big fan of roy jones when i was younger and more naive... now i see he was a bit of a bitch pussy. knowingly fighting bums and claiming to be the best in the world all the while dodging credible opponents in favour of "ranked fighters" and bullshit mandatories that were utter garbage. being protected by and hiding behind the belts. kind of looks like a joke now when you compare him to other blood and guts all time greats.
Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Roy dominated a guy named Reggie Johnson. Former two time champion and embezzeler extradonaire. Collins was quite familiar with him.
Yeah and it was only 7 years and 3 losses later...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkNonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Roy dominated a guy named Reggie Johnson. Former two time champion and embezzeler extradonaire. Collins was quite familiar with him.
Cant knock roys achievements pre tarver.
Perhaps he knows he can make money from his name and is going down the holyfield route.
He does not care about winning or loosing anymore
Roy Jones should have retired long ago,its a shame to see him fight now , he is just a shadow
of his former self.He gets kod far too often,dont want to see the man end up like Ali.
pre tarver roy fought some very questionable opponents. a cop, a mechanic, a butcher, a baker, a candlestick maker. roy probably fought a male nurse.
I heard that Roy fought a Gardner and a scaffolder!
And a skip lorry driver
So roy jones is overated now?
Lets just say he ducked a prime collins and leave it at that..wow.
He is not over rated at all!
If he is then so is Tyson and Ali! If anything Ali is over rated for beating about 5 names through his career including Henry cooper which isn't anything to brag about tbh.
At least Roy beat a prime bernard and prime toney and hold all the belts etc etc and then win a world title?
Some people might say "yeah but John Ruiz" but that's like saying manny vs wladimir klitschko!
Thats pretty much true for Jones after Toney I'd say. When Benn was coming off the fight of his life Jones saw fit to ride a bloated HBO contract and beat up an obvious mis matched Pazienza and Thorton who was coming off an out and out robbery 'w' to a 50-50 Lenzie Morgan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenJones made his super middle debut against Toney at the end of '94, and was testing the waters at light heavy by January '96Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Eubank lost his title to Collins in early 95, then rematched Collins in late '95. Benn wanted easy paydays after McClellan in early '95, and lost his championship a year later.
I think it was as much a case of too small a window to sort these fights out.
I do think there was a small window for Jones v Benn after McClellan. I remember reading articles in Ring and elsewhere where Benn called for it ( though saying it might be an uphill battle) and Jones saying basically...maybe later, but not right now.
I cannot get over the irony of Roy clamouring for relevance today by going overseas for paydays while back at the top he would hear nothing of it and literally yell that he wasn't being payed enough to take the risk. I wish he would retire and call fights from ringside.
I remember in 96 (I think) the ring did a special feature on Mike Tyson where he had pictures with his white tigers and they asked him shit like would he fight Eric Esche (butter bean) and Mike basically laughed it off saying he knew him and he was a nice fellow. Then they asked him what he thought of Jones and that jones says there is no one for him to fight and I haven't seen this article since it came out but I remember almost word for word they quoted Mike as saying "that's not true at all, there's Nigel Benn" he even went on to say how he liked Benn as he reminded him of himself and that he'd give Jones a very hard fight. Benn beat McClellan who jones was shit scared to fight and although the McClellan fight took a lot out of Benn it did make him a massive name world wide. He was already known massively in america for going over and doing Barkley inside of a round, who then went on to push toney hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats pretty much true for Jones after Toney I'd say. When Benn was coming off the fight of his life Jones saw fit to ride a bloated HBO contract and beat up an obvious mis matched Pazienza and Thorton who was coming off an out and out robbery 'w' to a 50-50 Lenzie Morgan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenJones made his super middle debut against Toney at the end of '94, and was testing the waters at light heavy by January '96Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Eubank lost his title to Collins in early 95, then rematched Collins in late '95. Benn wanted easy paydays after McClellan in early '95, and lost his championship a year later.
I think it was as much a case of too small a window to sort these fights out.
I do think there was a small window for Jones v Benn after McClellan. I remember reading articles in Ring and elsewhere where Benn called for it ( though saying it might be an uphill battle) and Jones saying basically...maybe later, but not right now.
I cannot get over the irony of Roy clamouring for relevance today by going overseas for paydays while back at the top he would hear nothing of it and literally yell that he wasn't being payed enough to take the risk. I wish he would retire and call fights from ringside.
Jones was good but he was also flattered by the level of opposition.
Imo somewhere in the mid 80’s the idea of risk and reward began to change and I think Leonard pushed it off the plank when he came out of a 3 year hiatus and beat Hagler. Star power and the money derived from it for all concerned became more important then real legacy or taking the risk to get the reward. No need to. They then added PPV and boxing has been eroding ever since.
Collins, Eubank, Benn and Watson were Britain's Duran, Leonard, Hagler and Hearns and like them, they all fought each other save Watson/Collins and no doubt made millions. I’m not British but I cannot recall a better era of British boxing.
People keep saying Roy fought a bunch of tradesman well enlighten me on who he could have fought and why he never fought them.
He could have fought all of them.
Does it matter when they fought? Collins has 2 wins over Benn after Benn retired. Why wasn't Jones trying to lure them out of retirement or tryi g to get those names on his record?
And here we go again with the "why should he". THe should have because he could have and now people don't regard him as high as he could have been.
Benn fought everyone and travelled. Eubank went to Germany and beat the undefeated Rochigiani.
Both eubank and benn mentioned from there own mouths they wouldnt be able to hang with jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Benn and eubank are british legends but please dont get it twisted.
Look how easy jones made hopkins and toney look..no one has ever done that against them.
That is where you are wrong. And they could have fought him. Explain to me how Roy is to blame at 160 for Benn and Watson or 168 for all four? They are all to blame and Roy held all the cards. You want to beat the man then go to his house and do it. Venue cannot be relevant and not relevant at the same time depending on which side you are on.
Ross you are my Mayorga homie, but this is some revisionist history you got going here ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI remember in 96 (I think) the ring did a special feature on Mike Tyson where he had pictures with his white tigers and they asked him shit like would he fight Eric Esche (butter bean) and Mike basically laughed it off saying he knew him and he was a nice fellow. Then they asked him what he thought of Jones and that jones says there is no one for him to fight and I haven't seen this article since it came out but I remember almost word for word they quoted Mike as saying "that's not true at all, there's Nigel Benn" he even went on to say how he liked Benn as he reminded him of himself and that he'd give Jones a very hard fight. Benn beat McClellan who jones was shit scared to fight and although the McClellan fight took a lot out of Benn it did make him a massive name world wide. He was already known massively in america for going over and doing Barkley inside of a round, who then went on to push toney hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats pretty much true for Jones after Toney I'd say. When Benn was coming off the fight of his life Jones saw fit to ride a bloated HBO contract and beat up an obvious mis matched Pazienza and Thorton who was coming off an out and out robbery 'w' to a 50-50 Lenzie Morgan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenJones made his super middle debut against Toney at the end of '94, and was testing the waters at light heavy by January '96Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Eubank lost his title to Collins in early 95, then rematched Collins in late '95. Benn wanted easy paydays after McClellan in early '95, and lost his championship a year later.
I think it was as much a case of too small a window to sort these fights out.
I do think there was a small window for Jones v Benn after McClellan. I remember reading articles in Ring and elsewhere where Benn called for it ( though saying it might be an uphill battle) and Jones saying basically...maybe later, but not right now.
I cannot get over the irony of Roy clamouring for relevance today by going overseas for paydays while back at the top he would hear nothing of it and literally yell that he wasn't being payed enough to take the risk. I wish he would retire and call fights from ringside.
Jones was good but he was also flattered by the level of opposition.
In no way did Barkley push James Toney. Toney tortured him and prolonged the dominant beating as long as he wanted to. It was a cruel savage ass whipping and I felt bad for Barkley.
I own Benn's career set and he was awesome. However, he was chinny and left himself wide open a lot. He would have been picked apart by James Toney or Roy Jones Jr. Benn also said that yes he'd like to fight Roy Jones but that Roy was the only one that would "put the fear of God in me" and saw it as a great challenge.
Well Benn was a fellow reigning champ with huge exposure on Showtime over in America and Eubanks was ranked in top ten thru his spr middle reign. Hey, its a start ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I'll give all four something I can't give Roy...respects for at least leaving the comforts of eachs backyard and in Benns, Eubanks and Collins case fighting for, defending and-or winning Championships on foreign soil at some point. Honestly..they took risks. Of course...Jones didn't 'have' to do that is said. He did have alot of guys trucked in as he benifited from what HBO reported at the time to be the largest multi fight contract afforded to any previous boxer. Pazienza was a sanctioned slaughter house. I can't fault him totally, no, but he certainly didn't go out and clean up a division he proclaimed to be 'Tha Man' in in the first place.
True but that does not mean that Roy was somehow obligated to go to England anymore then it obligated Nigel to come to Vegas. Point is this blame on Roy for these fights not taking place are unreasonable. Benn fought Galvano twice and the ever dangerous Gent. In 94 Jones embarrassed Tony. They are all equally responsible and the same goes for Dariusz at 175. Jones would not budge and neither would he.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Barkley pushed Toney hard ? i think you might want to rewatch that fight, Toney smacked Barkley all around the ring and punished him. Roy Jones and Gerald McClellan were friends which is why they didn't fight. RJJ was the only boxer who gave McClellan a helping hand when he was in a bad way.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI remember in 96 (I think) the ring did a special feature on Mike Tyson where he had pictures with his white tigers and they asked him shit like would he fight Eric Esche (butter bean) and Mike basically laughed it off saying he knew him and he was a nice fellow. Then they asked him what he thought of Jones and that jones says there is no one for him to fight and I haven't seen this article since it came out but I remember almost word for word they quoted Mike as saying "that's not true at all, there's Nigel Benn" he even went on to say how he liked Benn as he reminded him of himself and that he'd give Jones a very hard fight. Benn beat McClellan who jones was shit scared to fight and although the McClellan fight took a lot out of Benn it did make him a massive name world wide. He was already known massively in america for going over and doing Barkley inside of a round, who then went on to push toney hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThats pretty much true for Jones after Toney I'd say. When Benn was coming off the fight of his life Jones saw fit to ride a bloated HBO contract and beat up an obvious mis matched Pazienza and Thorton who was coming off an out and out robbery 'w' to a 50-50 Lenzie Morgan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenJones made his super middle debut against Toney at the end of '94, and was testing the waters at light heavy by January '96Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Eubank lost his title to Collins in early 95, then rematched Collins in late '95. Benn wanted easy paydays after McClellan in early '95, and lost his championship a year later.
I think it was as much a case of too small a window to sort these fights out.
I do think there was a small window for Jones v Benn after McClellan. I remember reading articles in Ring and elsewhere where Benn called for it ( though saying it might be an uphill battle) and Jones saying basically...maybe later, but not right now.
I cannot get over the irony of Roy clamouring for relevance today by going overseas for paydays while back at the top he would hear nothing of it and literally yell that he wasn't being payed enough to take the risk. I wish he would retire and call fights from ringside.
Jones was good but he was also flattered by the level of opposition.
Nigel Benn only had a punchers chance vs RJJ, and it would be a very slim chance at that. People say RJJ fought sh** opponents and this and that. But Thulani Malinga was robbed vs Nigel Benn in there 1st meeting then Malinga beat Benn handily in a rematch, RJJ sparked out Malinga in 6 rounds, also Eubank went 12 rounds with Malinga. So doesn't RJJ get credit for that win ?
RJJ did fight his fair share of good opposition and a few mediocre opposition, but atleast RJJ was destroying his opponents. Where as Nigel Benn almost got stopped by feather fisted Galvano in the last round, wobbled by Danny Perez. And there's a bunch of other examples of Benn's suspect chin getting him in trouble against lesser opposition.
Nigel Benn was a great fighter to watch, i watched him as a little kid and was in awe at his aggression. But lets be serious here unless Nigel Benn gets a lucky punch a prime RJJ would destroy Nigel Benn. And both Chris Eubank, Steve Collins, would be outpointed clearly infact i think he'd stop Steve Collins who's style is tailor made for RJJ.
What the guy above me said, end of story.