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That was a slip.
Fair and solid punch to the flank there had some good impact behind it but Ali was also off-balance and some claim Wepner stepped on his foot...
ruled a knockdown for the history books nonetheless.
Chuck Wepner joined a very small club of Henry Cooper and Smokin Joe Frazier.
When Cooper caught him, Clay was a novice, when Frazier caught him that was a great punch from a great fighter. This does not count.
Officially Roldan knocked down Hagler.
He stepped on Ali's foot
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yes he didQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
If he stepped on his foot it does not count. :)
Even without the foot you can tell that it was a knock OVER and not a knock down. Guy's don't fall like that from rib shots... It's usually a pretty slow sinking/slumping. They don't tip back like that.
^^What he said.Quote:
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It's a case of physics, you'd go forward in a ball or take a knee.
Who gives a fuck. It's 2013. Chuck wepner LOL.
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There are little to no Heavies worth talking about much from today, does this bother you?
It does matter as I did not even know about this. :)Quote:
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Master with the retortQuote:
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nail on the head. It must really bother him. Needs medication perhaps.Quote:
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There are little to no Heavies worth talking about much from today, does this bother you?
:lol: What and this guy is worth talking about:Quote:
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There are little to no Heavies worth talking about much from today, does this bother you?
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K2 have beat u all into the past.
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R u kdding mate--- he even inspired Stallone.Quote:
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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
There are little to no Heavies worth talking about much from today, does this bother you?
http://www.boxinginsider.com/wp-cont...11/wepner1.jpg
K2 have beat u all into the past.
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So did Alexander Miroshnichenko who stopped lennox lewis and riddick bowe in the Ams. He was the inspiration for Drago...Quote:
R u kdding mate--- he even inspired Stallone.
Shall we discuss him too then?
Rocky starred in 6 movies Drago only 1 and he was the villain. :)Quote:
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If you would like too, feel free. The thing is you are not American or from the same generation as Brockton so your touch points, references and inspirations will be different. There are probably some youngsters on here who think you talking about Calzaghe and fighters from the 80s and 90s make you an old fart . (:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Bowe beat himQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
And that means Wepner would beat Miroshnichenko, who would be a PED abuser.
Reminds me a lot of Vitali, also a PED user. Wonder if Wlad used his batch of expired anabolics when he was "drugged" as he was pounded by Brewster and brutally KOed.
fine by me. you start as you have brought him up.Quote:
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Don't worry, I'm sure that in 40 years time we'll be making threads about K2's opponents too...Quote:
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Originally Posted by AdamGBDon't care? Don't post.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
There are little to no Heavies worth talking about much from today, does this bother you?
http://www.boxinginsider.com/wp-cont...11/wepner1.jpg
K2 have beat u all into the past.
:lol:
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He went one and one with Bowe and he beat Lewis too. He probably won the second fight with Bowe too dropping him twice but failed to get the nod!Quote:
Bowe beat him
What a ridiculous statement. Miroshnichenko was light years ahead of Wepner as a boxer/athlete! Wepner LOL. Lemon.Quote:
And that means Wepner would beat Miroshnichenko, who would be a PED abuser.
And why would he be a PED abuser? It's ironic u label these EE's as ped abusers when hardly any have tested positive for them! Wach a Klitschko OPPONENT tested positive not K2! Mcline was a doper another K2 oponent! In fact K2 are strict advocates of testing! Your hero presided over an era (80's) that was riddled with them! Tubbs, Morrisson etc and if anyone was a classic case of roid rage it was Tyson!! It's the yanks that are riddled with it...Toney, Mosley, Jones, Tarver, Vargas, Peterson, Mcline, Briggs etc
VK has not tested positive for PEDS in boxing! The drugs admission is made in Vitali's autobiography. Klitschko reveals that he turned to a drug after aggravating an old leg injury he had sustained in a kick-boxing tournament.Quote:
Reminds me a lot of Vitali, also a PED user. Wonder if Wlad used his batch of expired anabolics when he was "drugged" as he was pounded by Brewster and brutally KOed
"He went to a normal Ukrainian doctor who gave him something that would heal it, but he didn't check the doping list,".
"They are not keeping this a secret," Boente said. "You have to remember this was the Ukraine of eight or nine years ago. Things are very different now.
Freely admitting it and putting it out there is not the mindset of someone who is a conniving cheat or a regular substance abuser! This happened 2 decades ago in another sport and was prescribed by a doctor for an injury! He is a strict advocate of testing in boxing and has never once failed. Please provide a source for his substance abuse in boxing?
In his long professional career, Klitschko has been tested routinely for banned substances, including steroids, and has always been clean.
Tests for steroids are normal in Germany, where he had the majority of his contests during his rise to the championship.
Captured the world title twice. Nice overview here:.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustfine by me. you start as you have brought him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Soviet Legends: The Story of Alexander �Miron� Miroshnichenko
Can we discuss Igor Vysotsky too? Beat Terofilio Stevenson twice and a host of great americans like Tony Tubbs, Mitch Green, Greg Page etc!
Nice overview here:.
SOVIET LEGENDS: Igor Vysotsky - The man who had Teofilo Stevenson�s number!� ESB EXCLUSIVE Interview!
How many tests did Shane Mosely fail?
He must have been clean.
Vitali as booted out of the Olympics because he tested positive.
Boxing: Klitschko admits steroid abuse - Telegraph
You keep using retarded reasoning like its excused because he was using them to nurse and injury. The fact is that he took them, tested positive, and admitted to all of this. He is a steroid cheat. And yest, he tested positive for them in BOXING, not "kickboxing." Typical brainless klittard excuse ... it wasn't boxing it was kickboxing hurr durr.
And Wach was also on them ... steroid abuse is most frequent amongst Russian and other Eastern Euros, especially in boxing.
Wlad is probably on anabolics, EPO, HGH etc. .... look at how his body changed from when he first started out. From 220 lbs to 250 lbs with a very noted change in muscle tone and mass.
Funny that you mention guys like Tubbs and Tyson ... obese Tony Tubbs used anabolics?? LOL. Tyson was huge ever since he was like 14 or 15 ... his body never really changed like Wlad's and he didn't even lift weights when he was in his prime years, thats not what the track record of a steroid abuser looks like. Tyson was all natural, we can't say that about Vitali and Wladimir is also a questionable case. But we can confirm that Vitali was a steroid cheating fraud.
Must feel like a "kick in the thigh" to you knowing that your hero is nothing but a fraud
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Your source for VK testing positive in professional day boxing please? Also note testing is light years ahead of what it was in the 80's and 90's when Tyson operated ....Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
That's why these doping cases are being exposed more & more. And Americans are top of the tree in that regard.
U also labelled WK a doper now please give me the source/proof?
P.S if its kickboxing GIFS u want cupcake then here:
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So why did Vittles claim he was going to KO Haye but now its all smooth DUCKING after he witnessed this
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Oh wait! Now he wants to retire
LOL
And you're a complete moron .. I posted the link where he tested positive and was kicked off. Even after he admits it himself you still want to deny it like a moronic, pathetic fanboy
Careful, you're holding your hero down by latching onto his nuts.
Seriously?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERYour source for VK testing positive in professional day boxing please? Also note testing is light years ahead of what it was in the 80's and 90's when Tyson operated ....Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
That's why these doping cases are being exposed more & more. And Americans are top of the tree in that regard.
U also labelled WK a doper now please give me the source/proof?
P.S if its kickboxing GIFS u want cupcake then here:
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Vitali admitted even to it.
Don't give me that 'tests are more advanced' shit. There is more money in making PEDs than in selling them, the guys making them are always a step ahead of the testers and boxing's tests are pathetic...
More people get caught because more people are using. Simple.
As for him testing positive as a pro... He hasn't... Neither did admitted pro PED user SHANE MOSELY (in the noughties, with your so called 'advanced testing')... Holyfield never failed a test either and neither did Tyson. Infact out of Shane Mosely (admitted cheat) Evander Holyfield ('evan fields'), Mike Tyson ('I know a guy who knows a guy who says a guy says he takes steroids') and Vitali 'to treat an injury' Klitschko... The only person to fail a test, amature OR pro... Is VITALI.
Actually I lie, Tyson did fail a test, for WEED.
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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERCaptured the world title twice. Nice overview here:.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustfine by me. you start as you have brought him up.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Soviet Legends: The Story of Alexander �Miron� Miroshnichenko
Can we discuss Igor Vysotsky too? Beat Terofilio Stevenson twice and a host of great americans like Tony Tubbs, Mitch Green, Greg Page etc!
Nice overview here:.
SOVIET LEGENDS: Igor Vysotsky - The man who had Teofilo Stevenson�s number!� ESB EXCLUSIVE Interview!
OK I can respect that. Nice articels and sources there. Good finds there mate.
Say's the man who compared 3 time world champ VK to non-title winning kirk johnson punching bag Lou Savarese, gives proof of a bad chin with a kickboxing match and mixes up the word 'Flawed' with 'Floored' and explain's it away as a typo! Plantpot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
You lost any credibility the moment u started resorting to personal attacks. VK was prescribed a drug for a kickboxing injury by a doctor for a kickboxing incident 20 years ago, now give me the link that states VK and WK have tested positive in pro-boxing? The link u posted is irrelevant and was for an injury in another sport he has freely admitted it, pro boxing nowadays has rigid testing and he has always tested clean. VK is a clean HW.Quote:
I posted the link where he tested positive and was kicked off. Even after he admits it himself
No one cares about Haye or Chisora, one blamed his toe the other should be sectioned. They both got beat by K2 now deal with it! You are a terrible debater with even worse logic. My taxes pay for u....LOL.Quote:
Careful, you're holding your hero down by latching onto his nuts.
Cooney KO Norton in 1. Holmes SD Norton. Cooney KO Holmes. Haye couldn't even KO the weaker chinned one...Chisora couldn't even outbox the 42 year old one who was operating with one arm!
No response?... :rolleyes:
How many times?! - Shane Mosely never failed a test, Holyfield didn't either. Pro or Amature.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERSay's the man who compared 3 time world champ VK to non-title winning kirk johnson punching bag Lou Savarese, gives proof of a bad chin with a kickboxing match and mixes up the word 'Flawed' with 'Floored' and explain's it away as a typo! Plantpot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
You lost any credibility the moment u started resorting to personal attacks. VK was prescribed a drug for a kickboxing injury by a doctor for a kickboxing incident 20 years ago, now give me the link that states VK and WK have tested positive in pro-boxing? The link u posted is irrelevant and was for an injury in another sport he has freely admitted it, pro boxing nowadays has rigid testing and he has always tested clean. VK is a clean HWQuote:
I posted the link where he tested positive and was kicked off. Even after he admits it himself
They're both clean? Right?
Vitali HAS, no matter which way you spin it... Yet you dismiss his failed test, happily buy the bullshit story that he gives and then go on to post an ancient interviews about Evander Holyfield knowing a guy who heard a story about Tyson taking PEDs and claim that it is 'worth a read'.
Yeah... I think when it comes down to speculating over if a fighter is clean - some annecdotal story has much more credibility to it than a failed drug test in a fighter's history does. :rolleyes:
Also, if you're going to get on your high horse over another posters grammar then you should probably stop saying 'u' all the time like some 'txtspkn' tweenage girl?
When you have to quibble over whether a mistake was a typo or a Freudian slip then it just shows us hiw weak your argument is...
Desperate for points much?
Philosopher you are the worst nuthugger I've ever encountered.
You need Quitalis quack "physician" to prescribe you progesterone, another steroid, to stop your menstrual bleeding.
Philosopher is an acquifer waiting for the deep ocean current to rehydrate the substantia nigra of Muhammad ali.
hey Philosopher, why so cranky all the time mate? Loosen up a bit, will ya?
Mosley admits he unknowingly took BALCO steroids - boxing - ESPNQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley admits he unknowingly (LOL) took BALCO steroids. Well documented. Failed zero tests but admitted to taking them.
America is rife with it. And im still a better popster than u.
You need to learn that 'Flawed' is a shortcoming in something intangible, an imperfection! It does not mean KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdK8X6IwpYw
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Mosley admitted to taking them. It's pretty much consensus that Holyfield was a doper (Failed or not).Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
OJ simpson is innocent.
Yes he has but not as a professional, he freely admitted it in his Bio which is not the actions of an abuser!Quote:
Vitali HAS, no matter which way you spin it...
Prescribed by a quack for an injury in another sport 20 years ago which had an adverse affect on his amateur career in boxing. If he was an abuser he would be stripped of his titles and not allowed to compete. Testing is far more advanced now and he has never failed. So he is clean, if u have evidence otherwise please provide it? K2 are strict advocates of testing.
I did not state Tyson was on them Holyfield did. If anyone was a candidate for roid rage though it was Tyson. The 80'S were rife with it.Quote:
Yeah... I think when it comes down to speculating over if a fighter is clean - some annecdotal story has much more credibility to it than a failed drug test in a fighter's history does.
U know what? I rather appreciate the concern. U missed an apostrophe though.Quote:
Also, if you're going to get on your high horse over another posters grammar then you should probably stop saying 'u' all the time like some 'txtspkn' tweenage girl?
My quibble with him was he compared VK to Savarese! And he also labelled WK an abuser too! I think my argument that those 2 statements are quite absurd is pretty solid! Do u not agree? I was just emphasising what an eejit he really is! Try reading the entire argument next time...Quote:
When you have to quibble over whether a mistake was a typo or a Freudian slip then it just shows us hiw weak your argument is...
Desperate for points much?
I seem to just open my mouth and upset people without realising it, apparantly :-) LOL.
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