One of my American friends got off the train in London. A 3 guys jumped high and stole his laptop. He said crime was really high there. I was there in 1982 and had no problems at all. It seemed like a really nice place. What happen?
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One of my American friends got off the train in London. A 3 guys jumped high and stole his laptop. He said crime was really high there. I was there in 1982 and had no problems at all. It seemed like a really nice place. What happen?
Crime is against the law in England.... situations like you described shouldn't happen
cos we are weak as fuck when it comes to dealing with it
...but it's illegal! It's against the law!!! Make the criminals behave :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Actually crime is so high in England because Piers "The Enforcer" Morgan is too busy trying to pry guns out of American households rather than use his super powers of Doucheiness to rid England of crime
I doubt that crime is high in the UK, certainly not any higher then what we have in the States, this kid who posted the OP is a fucking nitwit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
....actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI doubt that crime is high in the UK, certainly not any higher then what we have in the States, this kid who posted the OP is a fucking nitwit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0
Stats are pliable but I've seen reports where the UK's violent crime per capita exceeds ours.
No jobs no hope and no money, we are bombarded adds for the fine things in life, phones, cars ,
clothes, etc with that little badge everybody want's.!
People today expect so much in life, and some people will steamroll others to get it, very sad fact the
amount of strutting fucking drug dealers local pisses me off.
They have never worked in there lives, riding round in there Range Rover Sports it's a fucking disgrace,
the one thing is most of the general public, are descent and hard working.
Remember we don't have the monopoly on bad bastards, all country's round the World have them you
can get rolled in London or Lisbon.:(
Of course Dia, assholes live everywhere...though it'd be nice to have them quarantined in one geographic area.
A main theory of mine is people aren't ashamed of leeching off the government anymore. Welfare used to come with a stigma, now it feeds this idea of entitlement.....that wasn't around when people had to bring in crops to feed their families. People who thought that way were supposed to be too stupid & too lazy to live, I blame the human race for outsmarting Natural Selection
Watch out if I had a gun.:shotgun5lu8: ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
Pick your poison.
UK - Better chance of running into a violent criminal
US - Better chance of that criminal AND you being armed.
I work in the probation service and the government will be privatising it in the next 18 months which is to save money. They have released statistics to say crime has gone down but the reality is crime has been diverted to community resolutions by the police. This means less crime, less courts and less people in prison.
Crime is probably worse with the current climate of high unemployment, inflation and cuts to benefits. People get desperate and greedy.
There will always be bad bastards around thats a fact,the main problem today is that
the future is very bleak for lots of people,Not many jobs about,and people will get
desperate for money.I dont think we are much worse than anywhere else.
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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
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Because England got no real court, that's why. ;D
Violent crime is interpreted different from country to country and area to area. Spitting can come under the same banner as getting shot.
Statistics... pfft (all about manipulation).
I know facts and logic are your kryptonite but this is what one would call pot calling the kettle black.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
To be SHOT....considering how many guns there are in America vs how many there are in England "60 times more likely" ain't all that great a statisticQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
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Originally Posted by El KabongTo be SHOT....considering how many guns there are in America vs how many there are in England "60 times more likely" ain't all that great a statisticQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
All things considered... I'll choose the "60 times less likely".
Maybe they should outlaw crime....then there would be less of it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongTo be SHOT....considering how many guns there are in America vs how many there are in England "60 times more likely" ain't all that great a statisticQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
All things considered... I'll choose the "60 times less likely".
I'm not comparing the UK to the USA. Crime has always been a problem here. On my trip in 82 I could walk the streets of London after dark with no worries. My American friend tells me it's really bad there. I just want to know what changed over the years?
NationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United StatesQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.
No no no, that's not what you're asking, you're asking about gun rights in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Insanity: Paraphrase. Doing, committing, sustaining the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results.
We must remember crime rates, are high at the moment very few good jobs, poor wages high unemployment.Young people feel like they are on the the scrapheap, so what are they turning to crime
no all some a very few, we can not tar the youth of today for the crimes of a few.
Jobs we need and a fair wage for all, the pay deficit between upper and lower class is a disgrace in
this day and age.
People are better off in work, it gives people self asteam and it occupies your time,and the plus you
get paid simple fact's.
With respect, you know not, that of which you speak. It would be very convenient and helpful for you and your pro gun owning agenda if what you said was true, but it isn't. Our Police force does not want to be armed, our civilians do not want to be armed.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieNationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United StatesQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.
It all depends where your walking about at night in London. There are rough areas in London just like there are in the US and the rest of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
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Originally Posted by VictorCharlieNationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United StatesQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.
And you can argue in favor of gun rights in the U.S. without affecting your credibility, because that's all it is, your opinion. However, when you begin trying to play semantics with statistics to prove that violent crime in the UK is somehow comparable with violent crime in the U.S., well............
I don't claim to know a lot about the UK nor do I care about firearm ownership in the UK but the link I posted seems pretty clear. I'm not trying to promote any agenda in this thread but it seems one is more likely to be a homicide victim in the US, much more likely to be shot in the US but more than twice as likely to be a victim of a violent crime in the UK. I have no idea how "Nation Master" collects their data but at face value it pretty much supports my previous posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWith respect, you know not, that of which you speak. It would be very convenient and helpful for you and your pro gun owning agenda if what you said was true, but it isn't. Our Police force does not want to be armed, our civilians do not want to be armed.Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieNationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United StatesQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.
What are you talking about Tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieNationMaster - Crime stats: United Kingdom vs United StatesQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
"...the Home Office dismissed the statistics as "absolute nonsense", saying that the average American is seven times more likely to be murdered than their British counterpart and 60 times more likely to be shot"
BBC News | UK | UK crime worse, says US report.
You could draw a lot of different conclusions from that link. Like I said..."Pliable". Lets be honest though, what did you expect the Home Office to say? "Yeah we got a real shit hole over here." Worse, better, the same; regardless, the UK does seem to have a problem with violent crime worse better and the same as places in the US.
And you can argue in favor of gun rights in the U.S. without affecting your credibility, because that's all it is, your opinion. However, when you begin trying to play semantics with statistics to prove that violent crime in the UK is somehow comparable with violent crime in the U.S., well............
Does it really matter? Like he's going to even attempt to make sense :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
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Originally Posted by El KabongDoes it really matter? Like he's going to even attempt to make sense :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
I thought I was pretty clear.
Thought wrong. I'm not sure what you mean regarding my credibility or arguing semantics. Green stated I didn't know what I was talking about which I don't really deny in most things UK. My point was strictly using the link I provided which was the first one that populated when I did a google search for a comparison. Its not like I linked the NRA news.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes it really matter? Like he's going to even attempt to make sense :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
I thought I was pretty clear.
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Originally Posted by VictorCharlieThought wrong. I'm not sure what you mean regarding my credibility or arguing semantics. Green stated I didn't know what I was talking about which I don't really deny in most things UK. My point was strictly using the link I provided which was the first one that populated when I did a google search for a comparison. Its not like I linked the NRA news.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes it really matter? Like he's going to even attempt to make sense :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
I thought I was pretty clear.
Stats say you're 60 times more likely to get shot in the U.S. than in the UK. End of story. No amount of links, partial statistics, twisted logic, semantics, or otherwise can change that fact. And it's no big deal. Yes... there's way more guns in the U.S., so that is to be expected. Yes... gun violence is way more prevalent in the U.S. It's a non-argument, is all I'm saying. You can look at it right side up, upside down, whichever way you choose. Facts are facts and other than that they don't mean a damn thing.
OK, if guns are so illegal/highly regulated in England then why are people still getting shot Tito? And since there are over 200 million privately owned firearms in the US and all those guns are deadly and owned by rabid foaming at the mouth nutjobs why is it only 60 times more likely? 60 seems a bit low when you consider how many guns are in the US & how many are in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'm not really denying any of that. I wasn't nor was the OP talking about gun crime, but rather violent crime in the UK which statistics say is higher per capita than in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieThought wrong. I'm not sure what you mean regarding my credibility or arguing semantics. Green stated I didn't know what I was talking about which I don't really deny in most things UK. My point was strictly using the link I provided which was the first one that populated when I did a google search for a comparison. Its not like I linked the NRA news.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes it really matter? Like he's going to even attempt to make sense :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
I thought I was pretty clear.
Stats say you're 60 times more likely to get shot in the U.S. than in the UK. End of story. No amount of links, partial statistics, twisted logic, semantics, or otherwise can change that fact. And it's no big deal. Yes... there's way more guns in the U.S., so that is to be expected. Yes... gun violence is way more prevalent in the U.S. It's a non-argument, is all I'm saying. You can look at it right side up, upside down, whichever way you choose. Facts are facts and other than that they don't mean a damn thing.
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Originally Posted by VictorCharlieI'm not really denying any of that. I wasn't nor was the OP talking about gun crime, but rather violent crime in the UK which statistics say is higher per capita than in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlieThought wrong. I'm not sure what you mean regarding my credibility or arguing semantics. Green stated I didn't know what I was talking about which I don't really deny in most things UK. My point was strictly using the link I provided which was the first one that populated when I did a google search for a comparison. Its not like I linked the NRA news.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDoes it really matter? Like he's going to even attempt to make sense :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorCharlie
I thought I was pretty clear.
Stats say you're 60 times more likely to get shot in the U.S. than in the UK. End of story. No amount of links, partial statistics, twisted logic, semantics, or otherwise can change that fact. And it's no big deal. Yes... there's way more guns in the U.S., so that is to be expected. Yes... gun violence is way more prevalent in the U.S. It's a non-argument, is all I'm saying. You can look at it right side up, upside down, whichever way you choose. Facts are facts and other than that they don't mean a damn thing.
Ok... violent crime meaning rapes, assaults, knifings, etc. Well, if that's the true statistic, then it would point toward another, sociological problem in the UK as compared to the U.S. It would be interesting to know the theories about why these stats.
Just a guess but I'd be willing to bet that population density plays a role.
Violent Crime has been declining in the UK since the mid 90's.
The US Murder rate is 4 times higher than the UK's.
The US definition of Violent Crime = Murder and Non Negligent Manslaughter, Forcible Rape , Robbery and aggravated assault.
The UK Home Office definition of Violent Crime is ALL crimes against the person. ALL robberies, assaults and sexual offences.
I apologise if I came across as rude but UK crime statistics are significantly lower than people would have you believe. The opposition party will use the same statistics to prove the inadequacy of the Government in power, when it comes to law and order, that they will then present differently to prove how efficient they are when they are in Government. International Politics is no different.
Dia is right in pointing out how the few can tar the image of many. Knife crime is definitely more prevalent today than in my youth, when using a knife would be seen as cowardly even among the local gangs and hooligans. If you had a rumble in the past even between different crews, guns were virtually unheard of and blades were for the odd nutter, not widespread like today.