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Boy do I hope so. I hate Broner and his idiocy. Pull that flashy cocky shit in the east end of Glasgow where I am now and someone will stab you in the face.
I really hope he gets done in this fight.
Gavin good enough to make it a Calzaghe v Lacy 2?
What's your thoughts guys?
Broner can be a dick but enough to warrant stabbing in the face ? Purlease, and this from the guy castigating another poster for calling Eubanks Jr an annoying boy. Rees is no Calzaghe and Broner is better than Lacy. It would be refreshing to see Gavin shut Broner up and require his Dad to get on his knees to brush his precious hair but I dont think it will happen. Never say never though, this is boxing.
That poster makes threads about people he doesn't like. Which I personally feel is dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
This is about the fight. Face stabbing aside.
Rees has a bullet jab for his frame.
#stabAdrienBroner
How old are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Pathetic attitude.
Floyd and broner know this annoying attitude sells but lets respect what they do in the ring.
Rees is no calzaghe and broner might look a bit like lacy but the skillset is like chalk and cheese.
Yeah quite an immature attitude again, even i never said anything about stabbing eubank! Broner is no lacy and reese is no calzaghe. And yes broner is very annoying but backs it up to the hilt. Good luck to gavin good kid but i see him being stopped 4-6 .
right I'm not ashamed to say I am well and truly losing track of the state of the fight game - blame TV as we quite often don't get to see fighters these days unless you got all the channels.
Anyway I never seen Broner fight and I only seen Rees a couple of times.
So my question
Rees is 10/1 - is he worth a punt or is this a ridiculous mismatch ??
thanks
He is ten to one for a reason. Rees is not renowned as a puncher although he has stopped a few. His best hope will be to pile on the pressure and get right in Broners face, throwing plenty to the body and using his strength to make him uncomfortable on the inside, a bit like Hatton early on in the Mayweather fight, but we all know what happened there, and Broner can bang too, so Gavin is danger of being walked onto something if he is too gung ho. You never know but if you can get good odds on Rees still standing at the end of round twelve that may be more realistic and even that is a long shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
If you're only getting 10/1 on him then you may want to take a look around and see what the other bookies are offering. I heard talk that the bookies over in the states have him anywhere up to an 33/1 outsider, but I doubt you'll get that from the bookies over here.
About 15/1 is the best I can find with a cursory glance on oddschecker.
I'd much rather see a Kostya on Judah chicken dance but it won't happen Im afraid.
Besides Broner might actually enjoy the simulated Brokeback Mountain moment Joe has pulled and who needs that :-X
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Yea was 19/1 with Pinnacle but money will come for him in Britain and will shorten the odds. If u had to have a bet and don't like short prices I'd take Broner on points at 13/2 instead of Rees to win. Personally I'm staying clear as I reckon it will be a first half stoppage and odds no goo here
The ONLY similarities are that Rees is from Wales and Broner is from the US. For a better comparison with a Welshman fighting an American, look no further than when Gary Lockett made the trip over to face Kelly Pavlik in 2008, and Kelly Pavlik blew him out of the water in three rounds. Like his trainer was when he faced the Ghost from Youngstown, Lockett, Rees is a good domestic-level pug, facing a world-level talent in Broner. The sole reason this fight is getting attention at all is because Broner is in it. Otherwise, it belongs on ESPN FNF. It's a total mismatch. It won't go more than 4 rounds. Mark my words.
Please don't take that as any disrespect for Rees. Credit to him. He's coming to the USA to fight a p4p-type fighter. He also seems like a good dude and hopefully he makes a pretty penny for this fight.
I hear you man, I really do! You are going to have to face the facts though, Broner is almost as good as he thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Rees is good with no big, glaring faults, but he's not at the same level as Broner.
Broner's "low class attitude" act and sideshow antics really does make the "Glasgow Option" appealing, but it's an act. I've gotten to where I enjoy the act until they start talking about respect.
Broner by late TKO.
I think Rees is a harder puncher than his record suggests. Look at his results after he moved down to lightweight (after his prize fighter stint) out only Andy Murray has taken him the distance and he was an undefeated fighter and Rees won that one very comfortably.
I think the 5 weeks training and sparring with young hungry fighters in the Bronx will have done Rees the world of good and he will be very sharp! Broner will have to work here and hopefully Rees doesnt give him any room to breath.
He is tough to take. Even as a fan I wanted to punch him in the face during the press conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
You never know I suppose as piss tank Merchant would say its the theatre of the unknown but it looks grim for Gavin, I just cant see him getting to Broner behind that shoulder and wide stance but if he can get him to move to either side he could make it interesting. I suspect a towel to be thrown into the ring about midway after Gavin puts in a game performance.
Not a good comparison because he lost. Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Also, Rees wan a world title. He has been world class. Lockett never was and whereas Rees has moved down after winning a world title, Lockett had moved up from light middle. Rees will not be the weeker man. He mit be smaller but Broner will be surprised at Rees strength!Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosNot a good comparison because he lost. Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Hah, what a thread. Rees will be the stronger man, Ross are you high? This fight will be over whenever Broner wants it to be the way I see it, and I think he's a turd as well.
Said it earlier broner will take him out in 4 or 6
Broner maybe Jeff Lacy II, time will tell. Sadly though, I doubt Rees is Calzaghe II, but instead, more like Reid II...
Hope I am wrong, but I am taking Broner in a mid to late round stoppage, with Rees bravely going out on his shield.
Broner is following floyd footsteps but still has not had as much tough competition yet but he is making the right waves.
Hes a young guy with skills that are improving..whats not to like?
Theres no need in getting wound up over his stupid, arrogant attitude as its just hype.
Broner out boxes rees and mid 2014 he will be a strong contender in the 140 divison.
I didnt say Rees will be stronger, just that he wont be weaker. Not like an ex light middle Lockett moving up to fight a very strong Natural middle Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Broner has had it drummed in to his head with fans, media and odds makers telling him this is a complete walkover and he will destroy Rees very quickly. If he has taken any of that in he will be in for a surprise that Rees will be able to push him back.
Ross made a decent point locket was a too small at least reese is at the right weight. Broner is a hype machine but you dont get as good as him by taking things lightly, his team have watched reese even though they r pretending they havent. Its bad news for the rock.
I don't give Rees any chance at all, but he comes to fight so this should be interesting while it lasts. Gavin will put everything he's got into this and could potentially give Broner a few uncomfortable moments, but that's about it.
Rees probably gets stopped on his feet in the middle to late rounds.
Broner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley. Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
In a perfect world he fights Gamboa but due to strained relationships I cant see that happening. Marquez would be interesting but the timing of his rise may coincide with Juans retirement.
FTR there is a part of me actually cheering for Gavin because of the odds and the way he has been written off as some domestic unworthy of the task.
Possibly; but who is to say that hindsight may show it was a mixture of Benton's power, Floyd Snr's drug habit and Burley's political connections?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitBroner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
That is written with years of hindsight. Many of us were seriously high on Lacy, who was a hybrid too, of Barkley (limited but brave), Tua (left hook) and Davey Moore (one fight ruined him)...Quote:
Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.
How is the Lacy/Calzaghe fight even come close to this style wise or any other wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPossibly; but who is to say that hindsight may show it was a mixture of Benton's power, Floyd Snr's drug habit and Burley's political connections?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitBroner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Huh? That is your interpretation to what I said.
Here is mine. Bentons shoulder roll defense combined with Floyd Jr's counter punching with mule kick power from either side on a Burley seek and destroy mission.
That is written with years of hindsight. Many of us were seriously high on Lacy, who was a hybrid too, of Barkley (limited but brave), Tua (left hook) and Davey Moore (one fight ruined him)...Quote:
Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.
Years of hindsight? I followed both of their careers in real time. I knew Joe would make him his chamber maid. How was Lacy a hybrid?
All I know is that if I hear Lampley lament Broner as the next coming of any proven and completed ATG and not simply a talented world champion with very high potential my TV is at risk ;D.
HBO and hysteria/hype run rampant sometimes. Respects to Rees but this showcase is here to make it all the more easier and common.
Dream on Ross, this will be a mismatch and 'showcase' fight for little Boner, I doubt that it will go more then 5 rounds, sorry bro, but as the Fenster might say, that's a fact Jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAlso, Rees wan a world title. He has been world class. Lockett never was and whereas Rees has moved down after winning a world title, Lockett had moved up from light middle. Rees will not be the weeker man. He mit be smaller but Broner will be surprised at Rees strength!Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosNot a good comparison because he lost. Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Not to diss Mr. Rees, but he's in way over his head, i'm sure he will be courageous, but he hasn't got a fucking prayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPossibly; but who is to say that hindsight may show it was a mixture of Benton's power, Floyd Snr's drug habit and Burley's political connections?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitBroner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
That is written with years of hindsight. Many of us were seriously high on Lacy, who was a hybrid too, of Barkley (limited but brave), Tua (left hook) and Davey Moore (one fight ruined him)...Quote:
Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.
Rees won't make Broner look like Lacy, it'll be the other way round.
The big American favourite fighting the Welsh underdog, that was why the comparison was used.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitHow is the Lacy/Calzaghe fight even come close to this style wise or any other wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPossibly; but who is to say that hindsight may show it was a mixture of Benton's power, Floyd Snr's drug habit and Burley's political connections?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitBroner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Huh? That is your interpretation to what I said.
Here is mine. Bentons shoulder roll defense combined with Floyd Jr's counter punching with mule kick power from either side on a Burley seek and destroy mission.
That is written with years of hindsight. Many of us were seriously high on Lacy, who was a hybrid too, of Barkley (limited but brave), Tua (left hook) and Davey Moore (one fight ruined him)...Quote:
Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.
Years of hindsight? I followed both of their careers in real time. I knew Joe would make him his chamber maid. How was Lacy a hybrid?
As for you calling Lacy/Calzaghe; well done, but you were in a minority amongst the neutrals.
Your rating of Broner though is a hunch, a prediction. It may or may not come to fruition.
And as for the hybrid comparison, you do know Broner like Lacy before him, were not actually hybrids, as that technology is not invented/available, particularly for a three way conception? Thus as a metaphor it can be used for any fighter! ;)
Are you 6 years old or something? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosNot a good comparison because he lost. Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rees was game last night. Good for him. He had the strategy to beat Broner, and lost only on talent. He won the first two rounds on my card.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosNot a good comparison because he lost. Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
However, the comparison with Lockett and Pavlik was spot on. :teacher:
You got your prediction wrong by less than a round too. 'Idiot'. ;)
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Originally Posted by BritkidThe big American favourite fighting the Welsh underdog, that was why the comparison was used.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitHow is the Lacy/Calzaghe fight even come close to this style wise or any other wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPossibly; but who is to say that hindsight may show it was a mixture of Benton's power, Floyd Snr's drug habit and Burley's political connections?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitBroner is no Lacy and will not be a Jeff Lacy. Broner has that born with talent that was not developed by anyone but himself. Yes he's a twat but he's also a kind of hybrid. A subtle mixture of Benton, Floyd and Burley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Huh? That is your interpretation to what I said.
Here is mine. Bentons shoulder roll defense combined with Floyd Jr's counter punching with mule kick power from either side on a Burley seek and destroy mission.
That is written with years of hindsight. Many of us were seriously high on Lacy, who was a hybrid too, of Barkley (limited but brave), Tua (left hook) and Davey Moore (one fight ruined him)...Quote:
Lacy was a one dimensional hooker and the only reason he had the success he did is because his opponents broke a cardinal rule which is never hook with a hooker.
Years of hindsight? I followed both of their careers in real time. I knew Joe would make him his chamber maid. How was Lacy a hybrid?
As for you calling Lacy/Calzaghe; well done, but you were in a minority amongst the neutrals.
Your rating of Broner though is a hunch, a prediction. It may or may not come to fruition.
And as for the hybrid comparison, you do know Broner like Lacy before him, were not actually hybrids, as that technology is not invented/available, particularly for a three way conception? Thus as a metaphor it can be used for any fighter! ;)
My rating of Broner is more then a hunch. Its empirical concluded by observation, experience and repeatability. My conclusions on Lacy are based on evidence gathered in the same manner and he's no hybrid and lots of people were taking Calzaghe at the time.
To my hybrid use well I was using as a direct link to Broners fighting style. Like a wolf/coyote hybrid or Polar/Grizzly hybrid. They are a bit of both. Broner has combined the styles of many fighters who used the shoulder or use the shoulder as the backbone to their style.Now I'm not saying that he brought out the Burley, Benton and Floyd tape and consciously made the effort. If you want to use the term hybrid for any fighter then be my guest.;)
Boxing is not an exact science, hence part of the enjoyment. You can indeed use "observation, experience and repeatability", but to suggest such leads to an empirical conclusion is really stretching the meaning of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
You, like me have a hunch Broner could be very special, time will tell.
I would say your 'conclusions' were flawed then and as the majority of the evidence and the bookies favoured Lacy. Of course people supported Calzaghe, I wanted him to win for instance, but I do not think he would!Quote:
My conclusions on Lacy are based on evidence gathered in the same manner and he's no hybrid and lots of people were taking Calzaghe at the time.
Every boxer has a hybrid style. If anyone thinks Mayweather came out of the box hiding his chin behind his shoulder they're wrong. He saw a version of it working for someone, took it, finessed it, and made it a part of his style.
Broner does the same thing, without leaning on the ropes.
Roy Jones comes closest to an original style, that I've seen, he did almost everything wrong except winning. IMO.
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Originally Posted by BritkidBoxing is not an exact science, hence part of the enjoyment. You can indeed use "observation, experience and repeatability", but to suggest such leads to an empirical conclusion is really stretching the meaning of the word.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
You, like me have a hunch Broner could be very special, time will tell.
I would say your 'conclusions' were flawed then and as the majority of the evidence and the bookies favoured Lacy. Of course people supported Calzaghe, I wanted him to win for instance, but I do not think he would!Quote:
My conclusions on Lacy are based on evidence gathered in the same manner and he's no hybrid and lots of people were taking Calzaghe at the time.
How were they flawed, I was right.
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Originally Posted by beenKOed
No they don't. If all boxers are hybrids then there is no such thing as a hybrid. Floyd is most definitely a student of Benton.
It was flawed because you were right, and you needed to be wrong, to be proven right. As the evidence favoured Lacy, but Calzaghe won. You looked past the overall evidence, and had a hunch Joe would win, possibly using 'evidence' that was going against the general consensus, but hindsight shows, was proven correct. But there is no 'science' to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit