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Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
I keep hearing this alot but in all honestly i don't really think Martinez, looked that much different. He just fought a guy who didn't fall for that stupid clowning and picked his shots smartly.
Let's remember Martinez didn't look that great vs Barker, Macklin, either. Yes Martinez has had some good performances but i think he's got overrated on here.
Kelly Pavlik was on the downslide, Alex Bunema is basically a mediocre fighter. And Dzinziruk was very overrated which showed when he got destroyed by journeyman Brian Vera.
Credit for the Paul Williams win but it just seems to me, Martinez has got overrated by fans and experts. I mean i've even heard people compare him with a prime RJJ which is ridiculous.
Martinez is a good fighter but he's not a great fighter, and i think him struggling last night is to do with Murray's gameplan rather than all these excuses i've been hearing for Martinez.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
After that fight he better watch out for Quillen
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Murray's corner had a great game plan which he stuck to. That said Martinez is clearly getting easier to hit. He is defiantly slowing but I have to give most of the Credit to Murray, great mental strength and some very solid boxing. Classy performance.
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Greenbeanz
Murray's corner had a great game plan which he stuck to. That said Martinez is clearly getting easier to hit. He is defiantly slowing but I have to give most of the Credit to Murray, great mental strength and some very solid boxing. Classy performance.
I think Martinez has always been quite easy to hit though, he's been floored alot in his career. Down against Williams, Pavlik, Macklin, x2 Murray, Chavez, he also got his nose broke vs Barker, and Margarito back in 2001 didn't have much trouble finding him either.
Martinez is a good guy and a good fighter, but i do think he has been overrated.
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I can go with that, but I also think the three British lads have been a bit underrated.
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Greenbeanz
I can go with that, but I also think the three British lads have been a bit underrated.
I think there all solid but Murray suprised me completely, i remember seeing him go life and death in the prize fighter final. And even though he had a solid performance vs Sturm, there was nothing to suggest he would give Martinez that much trouble.
Im really impressed how much Murray has improved, and how he can stick to a gameplan for 12 rounds.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
I don't think he's overrated, but he is past his prime.
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After that fight he better watch out for Quillen
Thought Peter looked good lastnight. Hes settled down alot and is more accurate.
I don't think Martinez is overrated or really over the hill. Murray was a plesant suprise and dude can fight and kept his head and stuck to a plan. Solid body shots too. Barker had a turtle shell going and Martinez broke him down nicely. Hes nearing 40 and is not a traditional 'boxer' 101 so its natural to see some wear and tear. Hes a showman and has a chip on his shoulder, his swagger gets the better of his brain in spots, you fight solid fighters you have to work for it.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
This thread is full of contradictions.
Martinez is 38, full of injuries and fighting above his optimum weight-class. He gets hit with shots from slower, arguably lesser, fighters than he did back in the day. He is clearly past his prime.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
He beat Barker. He beat Macklin. He then tore a bunch of ligaments. He figured since Murray was thought of as having no power and the lesser of the previous two that he would essentially have a walk in the park after rehab.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
Sergio has come back from a serious injury, I think he will be in better condition next time. Age is nothing but a number and it is all in the mind. Ask Hopkins.
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Violent Demise
Chavez ruined him.
By knocking him down twice in the 12th round after getting his ass handed to him for 11 full rounds of thorough humiliation, in which he hardly touched Martinez??
You certainly don't know shit about boxing.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
Martinez is kinda meh to me hes good figher but i would not put great and him in the same room. He hand long career but lost his first big fight with Margarito, Lost Paul Willaims but had a hell of a rematch with the knock out and beat Kelly Pavlik who was pretty much never the same after Hopkins. Martinez record at both Jmw and Mw aren't really aw inspiring not even sure i put him in the Hall of Fame but there are fighters that should not be in the hall that are so i don't really know.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Master
Age is nothing but a number and it is all in the mind
Whenever anyone says that they need a slap back into reality. Fact.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
Well Sergio may be out of his prime but when during his career was his prime. When lost to Paul and then knocked him out in the rematch. I think he is a good fighter but his comp is lacking overall.
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Violent Demise
Chavez ruined him.
By knocking him down twice in the 12th round after getting his ass handed to him for 11 full rounds of thorough humiliation, in which he hardly touched Martinez??
You
certainly don't know shit about boxing.
Was Sergio able to avoid punches like he use to last night? No he wasn't. The mobility he once had wasn't there. Pretty obvious the knee wasn't right. It's not that easy to recover from torn ligaments at 38. And how did them ligaments get torn? They were torn when he was dropped in his last fight. And who dropped him? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's a diminished fighter thanks to Chavez. Really it's not that hard to understand. I dumb it down as best as I could for you. But I still expect it to go over your head. Cuz yes. You are indeed that fucking stupid and clueless about this great sport of boxing
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
His "comp" was hand picked by "him" this time! Sergio is a knowledgable boxer but he's not a great fighter. He's had a few good wins but he also lost when he stepped up too. Why can't a champ just be a good fighter who's difficult to fight because he's awkward or very quick or extremely strong. He doesn't have to be great because none of the current boxing champs are great. Mayweather has great talents but he doesn't fight great, Wlad has had great success but he's no great talent.
Why can't very good be enough at times, why does every champ need to be great? Their not! Ray
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Chavez ruined him.
By knocking him down twice in the 12th round after getting his ass handed to him for 11 full rounds of thorough humiliation, in which he hardly touched Martinez??
You
certainly don't know shit about boxing.
Was Sergio able to avoid punches like he use to last night? No he wasn't. The mobility he once had wasn't there. Pretty obvious the knee wasn't right. It's not that easy to recover from torn ligaments at 38. And how did them ligaments get torn? They were torn when he was dropped in his last fight. And who dropped him? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's a diminished fighter thanks to Chavez. Really it's not that hard to understand. I dumb it down as best as I could for you. But I still expect it to go over your head. Cuz yes. You are indeed that fucking stupid and clueless about this great sport of boxing
Against my better judgement, I'll continue trying to teach you about boxing and facts. Although I don't expect to get through that thick skull of yours. What was the biggest factor Saturday night against Murray? Martinez's hand. Yes, the same one he broke banging it against Junior's melon head. With me so far? If you call that "Junior ruining Martinez", you're more of a moron than I thought. Did Martinez allow himself enough time to recover from the hand injury? Probably not. It happens. It's nothing Junior did, dimwit. It was Martinez's mistake. Now the knee. Yes, he hurt it when he was finally dropped by Junior in the last round. Is that Junior ruining Martinez? Wrong, asswipe. That is an accident. Ruining is when you've administered a beating so bad... it affects the other guy's performance from there on out.
Now... don't expect me to spell things out for you everytime you get confused about real facts. If you can't tell facts from fiction, go back to remedial school where they can teach that shit to you.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
I have no idea how a fighter "ruins" another fighter by winning 2 minutes of a 12 round fight!!
Has Juan ruined Pacman? Pacman was stopped when he was coming up in the ranks, it happens. Even great fighters loose and get stopped if they fight the contenders and strong up and coming young fighters!
Junior is without a doubt the least talented, unfocused, no disciplined pro boxer I've ever seen. The fact that he's even in a main event bout is amazing! The kid doesn't even know how to jab, if he did he could have atleast "tracked" Sergio in their fight and possibly learned about "dsistance" as he jabbed hahahaha but I doubt it!!
If he would dedicate himself to the sport he could have a chance because he has size and strength and some coordination but he's not a natural so without discipline he needs to fight the set ups he fought prior. He could beat Sergio but his mind isn't strong enough to dedicate and sacrifice. He's a "boob"! :rolleyes: Ray
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ray corso
I have no idea how a fighter "ruins" another fighter by winning 2 minutes of a 12 round fight!!
Has Juan ruined Pacman? Pacman was stopped when he was coming up in the ranks, it happens. Even great fighters loose and get stopped if they fight the contenders and strong up and coming young fighters!
Junior is without a doubt the least talented, unfocused, no disciplined pro boxer I've ever seen. The fact that he's even in a main event bout is amazing! The kid doesn't even know how to jab, if he did he could have atleast "tracked" Sergio in their fight and possibly learned about "dsistance" as he jabbed hahahaha but I doubt it!!
If he would dedicate himself to the sport he could have a chance because he has size and strength and some coordination but he's not a natural so without discipline he needs to fight the set ups he fought prior. He could beat Sergio but his mind isn't strong enough to dedicate and sacrifice. He's a "boob"! :rolleyes: Ray
You'll get used to seeing ridiculous statements from VD when you've been around awhile longer. He wears his bias toward Mexican fighters on his sleeve, and tries to bully his statements through the forum consciousness. It's quite hysterical.... but then there's a VD in every boxing forum.
:)
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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TitoFan
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Chavez ruined him.
By knocking him down twice in the 12th round after getting his ass handed to him for 11 full rounds of thorough humiliation, in which he hardly touched Martinez??
You
certainly don't know shit about boxing.
Was Sergio able to avoid punches like he use to last night? No he wasn't. The mobility he once had wasn't there. Pretty obvious the knee wasn't right. It's not that easy to recover from torn ligaments at 38. And how did them ligaments get torn? They were torn when he was dropped in his last fight. And who dropped him? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's a diminished fighter thanks to Chavez. Really it's not that hard to understand. I dumb it down as best as I could for you. But I still expect it to go over your head. Cuz yes. You are indeed that fucking stupid and clueless about this great sport of boxing
Against my better judgement, I'll continue trying to teach you about boxing and facts. Although I don't expect to get through that thick skull of yours. What was the biggest factor Saturday night against Murray? Martinez's hand.
Yes, the same one he broke banging it against Junior's melon head. With me so far? If you call that "Junior ruining Martinez", you're more of a moron than I thought. Did Martinez allow himself enough time to recover from the hand injury? Probably not. It happens. It's nothing Junior did, dimwit. It was Martinez's mistake. Now the knee. Yes, he hurt it when he was finally dropped by Junior in the last round. Is that Junior ruining Martinez? Wrong, asswipe. That is an accident. Ruining is when you've administered a beating so bad... it affects the other guy's performance from there on out.
Now... don't expect me to spell things out for you everytime you get confused about real facts. If you can't tell facts from fiction, go back to remedial school where they can teach that shit to you.
I should of known better. You never saw the fucking fight. To say Martinez hand was the biggest factor is fucking stupid. And it proves you never saw the fight. If you did you would of seen that Martinez never stopped throwing with either hand. He never favored any hand. No one even fucking knew his hand was broken till after the fight. Cuz he never showed any signs his hand was messed up. Broken or not Martinez was still using it and still scoring points with it. His bad hand wasn't the reason he was getting hit flush and dropped by the glacier slow Murray. It was his fucking knee. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Martinez style of fighting calls for him to rely on his legs a lot. Them legs ain't the same with a bad knee. Let me tell you something. I don't expect your stupid ass to understand it but still. If the Chavez fight would never of took place Martinez wouldn't of been hit with the punches Murray was hitting him. Now go watch the fight bitch.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Chavez ruined him.
By knocking him down twice in the 12th round after getting his ass handed to him for 11 full rounds of thorough humiliation, in which he hardly touched Martinez??
You
certainly don't know shit about boxing.
Was Sergio able to avoid punches like he use to last night? No he wasn't. The mobility he once had wasn't there. Pretty obvious the knee wasn't right. It's not that easy to recover from torn ligaments at 38. And how did them ligaments get torn? They were torn when he was dropped in his last fight. And who dropped him? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's a diminished fighter thanks to Chavez. Really it's not that hard to understand. I dumb it down as best as I could for you. But I still expect it to go over your head. Cuz yes. You are indeed that fucking stupid and clueless about this great sport of boxing
Against my better judgement, I'll continue trying to teach you about boxing and facts. Although I don't expect to get through that thick skull of yours. What was the biggest factor Saturday night against Murray? Martinez's hand.
Yes, the same one he broke banging it against Junior's melon head. With me so far? If you call that "Junior ruining Martinez", you're more of a moron than I thought. Did Martinez allow himself enough time to recover from the hand injury? Probably not. It happens. It's nothing Junior did, dimwit. It was Martinez's mistake. Now the knee. Yes, he hurt it when he was finally dropped by Junior in the last round. Is that Junior ruining Martinez? Wrong, asswipe. That is an accident. Ruining is when you've administered a beating so bad... it affects the other guy's performance from there on out.
Now... don't expect me to spell things out for you everytime you get confused about real facts. If you can't tell facts from fiction, go back to remedial school where they can teach that shit to you.
I should of known better. You never saw the fucking fight. To say Martinez hand was the biggest factor is fucking stupid. And it proves you never saw the fight. If you did you would of seen that Martinez never stopped throwing with either hand. He never favored any hand. No one even fucking knew his hand was broken till after the fight. Cuz he never showed any signs his hand was messed up. Broken or not Martinez was still using it and still scoring points with it. His bad hand wasn't the reason he was getting hit flush and dropped by the glacier slow Murray. It was his fucking knee. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Martinez style of fighting calls for him to rely on his legs a lot. Them legs ain't the same with a bad knee. Let me tell you something. I don't expect your stupid ass to understand it but still. If the Chavez fight would never of took place Martinez wouldn't of been hit with the punches Murray was hitting him. Now go watch the fight bitch.
Oh fuck you, clown.
You'll never admit to getting your ass handed to you, 'cause you're used to it.
Bottom line: You said Junior "ruined" Martinez..... and now you're probably sorry you said it, because it made you look like the clueless, biased little punk you are.
Later scumbag.
(Even an impartial observer with barely 50 posts here can see how ridiculous you are. He hasn't had a chance to be intimidated by your sorry ass.)
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Chavez ruined him.
By knocking him down twice in the 12th round after getting his ass handed to him for 11 full rounds of thorough humiliation, in which he hardly touched Martinez??
You
certainly don't know shit about boxing.
Was Sergio able to avoid punches like he use to last night? No he wasn't. The mobility he once had wasn't there. Pretty obvious the knee wasn't right. It's not that easy to recover from torn ligaments at 38. And how did them ligaments get torn? They were torn when he was dropped in his last fight. And who dropped him? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's a diminished fighter thanks to Chavez. Really it's not that hard to understand. I dumb it down as best as I could for you. But I still expect it to go over your head. Cuz yes. You are indeed that fucking stupid and clueless about this great sport of boxing
Against my better judgement, I'll continue trying to teach you about boxing and facts. Although I don't expect to get through that thick skull of yours. What was the biggest factor Saturday night against Murray? Martinez's hand.
Yes, the same one he broke banging it against Junior's melon head. With me so far? If you call that "Junior ruining Martinez", you're more of a moron than I thought. Did Martinez allow himself enough time to recover from the hand injury? Probably not. It happens. It's nothing Junior did, dimwit. It was Martinez's mistake. Now the knee. Yes, he hurt it when he was finally dropped by Junior in the last round. Is that Junior ruining Martinez? Wrong, asswipe. That is an accident. Ruining is when you've administered a beating so bad... it affects the other guy's performance from there on out.
Now... don't expect me to spell things out for you everytime you get confused about real facts. If you can't tell facts from fiction, go back to remedial school where they can teach that shit to you.
I should of known better. You never saw the fucking fight. To say Martinez hand was the biggest factor is fucking stupid. And it proves you never saw the fight. If you did you would of seen that Martinez never stopped throwing with either hand. He never favored any hand. No one even fucking knew his hand was broken till after the fight. Cuz he never showed any signs his hand was messed up. Broken or not Martinez was still using it and still scoring points with it. His bad hand wasn't the reason he was getting hit flush and dropped by the glacier slow Murray. It was his fucking knee. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Martinez style of fighting calls for him to rely on his legs a lot. Them legs ain't the same with a bad knee. Let me tell you something. I don't expect your stupid ass to understand it but still. If the Chavez fight would never of took place Martinez wouldn't of been hit with the punches Murray was hitting him. Now go watch the fight bitch.
Oh fuck you, clown.
You'll never admit to getting your ass handed to you, 'cause you're used to it.
Bottom line: You said Junior "ruined" Martinez..... and now you're probably sorry you said it, because it made you look like the clueless, biased little punk you are.
Later scumbag.
(Even an impartial observer with barely 50 posts here can see how ridiculous you are. He hasn't had a chance to be intimidated by your sorry ass.)
The clueless muthafukka is the bitch who hasn't seen the fight and claims Martinez hands were the biggest factor in him looking bad despite him scoring points with them tll the very end. :LOLATYOU:
Martinez couldn't avoid punches cuz his knee is bad. Bad knee is due to torn ligaments. Torn ligaments occured during a knock down. Knock down was perpetuated by Chavez Jr. Martinez is no longer the fighter he once was. Therefore he's been ruined. Ruined by Chavez Jr. It's not that fucking hard to understand.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Chavez ruined him.
By knocking him down twice in the 12th round after getting his ass handed to him for 11 full rounds of thorough humiliation, in which he hardly touched Martinez??
You
certainly don't know shit about boxing.
Was Sergio able to avoid punches like he use to last night? No he wasn't. The mobility he once had wasn't there. Pretty obvious the knee wasn't right. It's not that easy to recover from torn ligaments at 38. And how did them ligaments get torn? They were torn when he was dropped in his last fight. And who dropped him? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. He's a diminished fighter thanks to Chavez. Really it's not that hard to understand. I dumb it down as best as I could for you. But I still expect it to go over your head. Cuz yes. You are indeed that fucking stupid and clueless about this great sport of boxing
Against my better judgement, I'll continue trying to teach you about boxing and facts. Although I don't expect to get through that thick skull of yours. What was the biggest factor Saturday night against Murray? Martinez's hand.
Yes, the same one he broke banging it against Junior's melon head. With me so far? If you call that "Junior ruining Martinez", you're more of a moron than I thought. Did Martinez allow himself enough time to recover from the hand injury? Probably not. It happens. It's nothing Junior did, dimwit. It was Martinez's mistake. Now the knee. Yes, he hurt it when he was finally dropped by Junior in the last round. Is that Junior ruining Martinez? Wrong, asswipe. That is an accident. Ruining is when you've administered a beating so bad... it affects the other guy's performance from there on out.
Now... don't expect me to spell things out for you everytime you get confused about real facts. If you can't tell facts from fiction, go back to remedial school where they can teach that shit to you.
I should of known better. You never saw the fucking fight. To say Martinez hand was the biggest factor is fucking stupid. And it proves you never saw the fight. If you did you would of seen that Martinez never stopped throwing with either hand. He never favored any hand. No one even fucking knew his hand was broken till after the fight. Cuz he never showed any signs his hand was messed up. Broken or not Martinez was still using it and still scoring points with it. His bad hand wasn't the reason he was getting hit flush and dropped by the glacier slow Murray. It was his fucking knee. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Martinez style of fighting calls for him to rely on his legs a lot. Them legs ain't the same with a bad knee. Let me tell you something. I don't expect your stupid ass to understand it but still. If the Chavez fight would never of took place Martinez wouldn't of been hit with the punches Murray was hitting him. Now go watch the fight bitch.
Oh fuck you, clown.
You'll never admit to getting your ass handed to you, 'cause you're used to it.
Bottom line: You said Junior "ruined" Martinez..... and now you're probably sorry you said it, because it made you look like the clueless, biased little punk you are.
Later scumbag.
(Even an impartial observer with barely 50 posts here can see how ridiculous you are. He hasn't had a chance to be intimidated by your sorry ass.)
The clueless muthafukka is the bitch who hasn't seen the fight and claims Martinez hands were the biggest factor in him looking bad despite him scoring points with them tll the very end. :LOLATYOU:
Martinez couldn't avoid punches cuz his knee is bad. Bad knee is due to torn ligaments. Torn ligaments occured during a knock down. Knock down was perpetuated by Chavez Jr. Martinez is no longer the fighter he once was. Therefore he's been ruined. Ruined by Chavez Jr. It's not that fucking hard to understand.
You're the only one who sees it that way, moron. Why? 'Cause you've got calluses on the back of your throat courtesy of Chavez Jr. and all the other scumbag fighters you idolize. You can't even own up to your own stupid comments, 'cause after you make them, you gotta die with them. Martinez has always had injuries... all his fucking career. In his last fight he toyed..... TOYED with the fucking spoonfed scumbag protected kid for 11 and a half rounds. He got caught. Whose face looked like it had gone through a meat grinder after the fight? Do you understand THAT?
Martinez obviously didn't give himself time for his hand to heal properly, OR his knee. It's not that Baby Chavez ruined him, you idiot. Are you really that fucking retarded, Violet Denise piece of shit?
I already tried to tell you what "ruining a fighter" means. But you obviously can't read. Are you that fucking stupid that you can't man up when you've fucked up? Hmm, well.... you'd have to be a man, for that. Sorry, my bad.
Look shit for brains. Look for someone else to believe your bullshit comments and buy into your tough guy act. You should know by now all you ever get is owned by me.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
But maybe I'm being too harsh on your pathetic loser ass.
Why of course Chavez Jr. "ruined" Martinez. :rolleyes:
Yes..... he ruined him by making it SO GODDAM EASY to hit him at will over 11 and a half rounds..... that ol' Sergio must've thought everybody was that clueless in the ring. Then he fought Murray, and found out once again what a real fighter with real skills looks like.
You're right, spitbucket. Chavez Jr. "ruined" Martinez.
;)
This is just too fucking easy, Ghetto Boy.
Unless you start giving me a real challenge, I'm gonna start ignoring your ass.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
Getting back to the question posed, Martinez like most other mortals probably reached his physical prime years ago but that does not necessarily mean his boxing prime.
I honestly believe that Martinez looked at the Murray fight like a warm up or fight to get the rust off.
Trouble is Martin never read the script for the carefully planned home coming.
Its amazing to me that generally on forums Martinez is being thrown to the wolves. Imo his prep was off which probably had to do with the leg and he probably returned to quick. I'm not trying to take away from Murray's performance cause he came in there with a game plan and stuck to it. I just don't think that was a 100% Martinez.
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ray corso
His "comp" was hand picked by "him" this time! Sergio is a knowledgable boxer but he's not a great fighter. He's had a few good wins but he also lost when he stepped up too. Why can't a champ just be a good fighter who's difficult to fight because he's awkward or very quick or extremely strong. He doesn't have to be great because none of the current boxing champs are great. Mayweather has great talents but he doesn't fight great, Wlad has had great success but he's no great talent.
Why can't very good be enough at times, why does every champ need to be great? Their not! Ray
I hear and agree, being better than than everyone else doesn't seem to be enough, champions are always compared to great fighters from the past.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
I had it 115-113 martinez. He did seem to lack pop and didn't sit down on his punches much at all. The less than stellar performance probably comes down to underestimating murray a bit and coming back from the surger. I think there is no need to write martinez off, just confirms that murray probably is world class, hell he gave sturm all he could handle. don't want to see a rematch since martinez probably only has a few fights left in him with that style of his
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Master
Age is nothing but a number and it is all in the mind
Whenever anyone says that they need a slap back into reality. Fact.
George Foreman?
Bernard Hopkins?
Vitali Klitschko?
The list goes on fella.
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Vendettos
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Master
Age is nothing but a number and it is all in the mind
Whenever anyone says that they need a slap back into reality. Fact.
George Foreman?
Bernard Hopkins?
Vitali Klitschko?
The list goes on fella.
Does the list really go on? I'm pretty certain the list of fighters (make that all sportsmen) diminished through old age is a lot bigger.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Vendettos
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Master
Age is nothing but a number and it is all in the mind
Whenever anyone says that they need a slap back into reality. Fact.
George Foreman?
Bernard Hopkins?
Vitali Klitschko?
The list goes on fella.
Does the list really go on? I'm pretty certain the list of fighters (make that all sportsmen) diminished through old age is a lot bigger.
Agreed, but this isn't every sport mate.
Getting slower when you're a sprinter is bad.
Eyesight diminishing when you're a snooker player is bad.
"The last thing to go is you're punch" which means at boxing when "one punch can change everything" anybody can stay at the top for a long time.
I agree age is an issue for boxers, but in this sport it's easy to go longer than in most other sports.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
I think we need one more performance out of Sergio Martinez to determine if he is passed his prime. I thought he performed as his typical self for large parts of the Murray fight. For my money, Martinez fights in sputs, a bit like Canleo in that respect. A lot of times, he'll win a few rounds, only to take a few rounds off. Here, Murray put him down in a few of the rounds he took off. Still, I had Martinez winning clearly the first four rounds and the last two rounds. That's what a champion does. I guess the bottom line is that he might still have a great performance or two in front of him. He's admitted that he won't fight after the age of 40. At 38, and with him out for the rest of the year, that means he's got one or two more fights, and he'll call it quits.
I don't know who he fights though at this point. I would like to see him in with Geale or Canelo. I'm one who believes we don't need to see him spank Junior around again, if Junior is even fighting at 160 any longer, given that his next fight is scheduled to be at 165. GGG has all year to build a case for a fight with Martinez. Let's see how he does against Macklin, and the opponent after Macklin, should he beat Macklin. Quillin fights on Showtime with Golden Boy so that fight will never happen unless the current circumstances change.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
He's getting injured every fight now. His promoter apparently said before this fight that he needed more surgeries to clear up other injuries. That was before he broke his hand. He keeps getting up after being knocked over but I think Quillin or GGG would stop him or KO him at this point in his career. And when his hand is better I don't think Chavez will be able to make 160, if he hasn't already lost to somebody else by then. Limited choices for big money fights in the US mean his next fight might be in Argentina too unless they work out something with Canelo/Mayweather..
We should run a sweepstake on how long it takes Sulaiman to make him Champion Emeritus and give Chavez his belt back.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
Is Golvokin locked into HBO? I'm just wondering if there ever is the chance for Golovkin to face Kid Chocolate? Because, if and when he beats Macklin, that would be a great fight to make.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
I know HBO really like him but I don't think he's signed to them exclusively.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
With Sergio out for the year, there is the opportunity for one of the middleweight titlists to move into the role of the next-best middleweight.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
He's getting injured every fight now. His promoter apparently said before this fight that he needed more surgeries to clear up other injuries. That was before he broke his hand. He keeps getting up after being knocked over but I think Quillin or GGG would stop him or KO him at this point in his career. And when his hand is better I don't think Chavez will be able to make 160, if he hasn't already lost to somebody else by then. Limited choices for big money fights in the US mean his next fight might be in Argentina too unless they work out something with Canelo/Mayweather..
We should run a sweepstake on how long it takes Sulaiman to make him Champion Emeritus and give Chavez his belt back.
LOL..... count me in.
I'm gonna say somewhere between 2-3 months.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
I always thought Martinez was a tad overrated, and I hate to say that because it's always the cheap thing to do to knock a guy after a tough fight, but it's the truth. A great boxing talent, for sure, but I never put him in the same class as a Mayweather, Andre Ward or Bernard Hopkins. Too many flaws.
I don't know if he's past his prime per say, but I think he's always had a trouble with those tricky jabbers. Kelly Pavlik largely outboxed him in the early rounds of their fight IMO with his jab, until he got cut badly and kinda lost his focus.
But at Martinez's age to be taking the kind of punishment he has taken in his last few fights, I think probably does suggest that his reflexes are starting to fail him.
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Re: Sergio Martinez Past His Prime ?
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
I always thought Martinez was a tad overrated, and I hate to say that because it's always the cheap thing to do to knock a guy after a tough fight, but it's the truth. A great boxing talent, for sure, but I never put him in the same class as a Mayweather, Andre Ward or Bernard Hopkins. Too many flaws.
I don't know if he's past his prime per say, but I think he's always had a trouble with those tricky jabbers. Kelly Pavlik largely outboxed him in the early rounds of their fight IMO with his jab, until he got cut badly and kinda lost his focus.
But at Martinez's age to be taking the kind of punishment he has taken in his last few fights, I think probably does suggest that his reflexes are starting to fail him.
It was obvious his knee isn't the same. Murray is not a fast fighter. And he had no problems catching him
