After that fight he better watch out for Quillen
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After that fight he better watch out for Quillen
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Thought Peter looked good lastnight. Hes settled down alot and is more accurate.
I don't think Martinez is overrated or really over the hill. Murray was a plesant suprise and dude can fight and kept his head and stuck to a plan. Solid body shots too. Barker had a turtle shell going and Martinez broke him down nicely. Hes nearing 40 and is not a traditional 'boxer' 101 so its natural to see some wear and tear. Hes a showman and has a chip on his shoulder, his swagger gets the better of his brain in spots, you fight solid fighters you have to work for it.
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This thread is full of contradictions.
Martinez is 38, full of injuries and fighting above his optimum weight-class. He gets hit with shots from slower, arguably lesser, fighters than he did back in the day. He is clearly past his prime.
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He beat Barker. He beat Macklin. He then tore a bunch of ligaments. He figured since Murray was thought of as having no power and the lesser of the previous two that he would essentially have a walk in the park after rehab.
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Sergio has come back from a serious injury, I think he will be in better condition next time. Age is nothing but a number and it is all in the mind. Ask Hopkins.
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Chavez ruined him.
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Martinez is kinda meh to me hes good figher but i would not put great and him in the same room. He hand long career but lost his first big fight with Margarito, Lost Paul Willaims but had a hell of a rematch with the knock out and beat Kelly Pavlik who was pretty much never the same after Hopkins. Martinez record at both Jmw and Mw aren't really aw inspiring not even sure i put him in the Hall of Fame but there are fighters that should not be in the hall that are so i don't really know.
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Well Sergio may be out of his prime but when during his career was his prime. When lost to Paul and then knocked him out in the rematch. I think he is a good fighter but his comp is lacking overall.
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Getting back to the question posed, Martinez like most other mortals probably reached his physical prime years ago but that does not necessarily mean his boxing prime.
I honestly believe that Martinez looked at the Murray fight like a warm up or fight to get the rust off.
Trouble is Martin never read the script for the carefully planned home coming.
Its amazing to me that generally on forums Martinez is being thrown to the wolves. Imo his prep was off which probably had to do with the leg and he probably returned to quick. I'm not trying to take away from Murray's performance cause he came in there with a game plan and stuck to it. I just don't think that was a 100% Martinez.
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I always thought Martinez was a tad overrated, and I hate to say that because it's always the cheap thing to do to knock a guy after a tough fight, but it's the truth. A great boxing talent, for sure, but I never put him in the same class as a Mayweather, Andre Ward or Bernard Hopkins. Too many flaws.
I don't know if he's past his prime per say, but I think he's always had a trouble with those tricky jabbers. Kelly Pavlik largely outboxed him in the early rounds of their fight IMO with his jab, until he got cut badly and kinda lost his focus.
But at Martinez's age to be taking the kind of punishment he has taken in his last few fights, I think probably does suggest that his reflexes are starting to fail him.
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