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Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
Fellow Saddos - what's your take?
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
There's a good argument that he is:
- He's undefeated. Other than Hatton, every other fighter Mayweather faced since joining the ranks at junior welterweight and welterweight had lost previously.
- He's young. Every other fighter Mayweather faced, other than Marquez and arguably Hatton (Guerrero & Ortiz too) was passed his prime.
- He's coming off his biggest victory. No other fighter that faced Mayweather went into the match at the peak of their confidence as a fighter.
- He's at a weight class above where Mayweather typically fights. Mayweather had his toughest fights against Oscar De La Hoya and Miguel Cotto, and those fights were at 154. Marquez came up in weight for Mayweather. Hatton didn't look as good at 147 against Collazo, as he had at 140 previously.
There's also a good argument that he isn't:
- He's too green. He's had one great victory, over Austin Trout, but he hasn't faced enough different styles, and hasn't been in with enough champions, to pose too much of a threat.
- They are fighting at a catch-weight. Canelo is a big kid for 154. Will the two pounds affect him negatively? He already has been criticized for his stamina. It's quite possible another two pounds could make him even more lethargic.
- Styles make fights. He's not fast enough, or as adept at defense, and too deliberate, to trouble Mayweather.
- He's overrated. Sure he beat Trout, but what else has he done? Jose Cotto had him reeling.
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The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
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I've said yes. I'm most intrigued by Canelo as an opponent because he's young, he's undefeated, he improves with every fight, he is a natural 154lber and Floyd is older and doesn't have as much speed in the legs as he used to. In think on paper, it could be one of his hardest ever challenges.
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
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The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
What makes him 'a prick'?
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Hulk
The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
Y all the hate towards Canelo haha?!!!
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Hulk
The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
What makes him 'a prick'?
His smug arrogance, beating up on tomato cans his first 30 or 40 fights and his sense of entitlement fighting for his first belt against MATTHEW HATTON.
Not to mention assaulting some lil bantam weight for supposedly hitting on his girlfriend.
He's a bully and he likes to jerk off fancy horses or artificially inseminate them or something of the sort.
I do not like him Sam I am, I do not like red headed fuck and ham.
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Hulk
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KickMuck
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Hulk
The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
What makes him 'a prick'?
His smug arrogance, beating up on tomato cans his first 30 or 40 fights and his sense of entitlement fighting for his first belt against MATTHEW HATTON.
Not to mention assaulting some lil bantam weight for supposedly hitting on his girlfriend.
He's a bully and he likes to jerk off fancy horses or artificially inseminate them or something of the sort.
I do not like him Sam I am, I do not like red headed fuck and ham.
He speaks very highly of you .
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
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I've said yes. I'm most intrigued by Canelo as an opponent because he's young, he's undefeated, he improves with every fight, he is a natural 154lber and Floyd is older and doesn't have as much speed in the legs as he used to. In think on paper, it could be one of his hardest ever challenges.
Really WOW his legs and speed looked as fast as hes ever been in his last fight in fact i think floyd is going to get even better and sharper as these next 5 fights go on, because hes fighting 2 times a year and will be basically training non stop. So think about it no more fighting having long lay offs hes only going to be better and sharper hes going to destroy canelo i bet any1 he stops or makes canelo quit
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I think the version of Dela Hoya Floyd fought was probably about where Canelo is now. The other intangible factors (+/-) make it about even also, however I have to go with Oscar simply because of the proven element of his stock.
Cotto is one heck of a fighter but he is also a battered one.
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g3org3
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bzkfn
I've said yes. I'm most intrigued by Canelo as an opponent because he's young, he's undefeated, he improves with every fight, he is a natural 154lber and Floyd is older and doesn't have as much speed in the legs as he used to. In think on paper, it could be one of his hardest ever challenges.
Really WOW his legs and speed looked as fast as hes ever been in his last fight in fact i think floyd is going to get even better and sharper as these next 5 fights go on, because hes fighting 2 times a year and will be basically training non stop. So think about it no more fighting having long lay offs hes only going to be better and sharper hes going to destroy canelo i bet any1 he stops or makes canelo quit
See I think Guerrero didn't have a plan B. Floyd pretty much stood in the middle of the ring and just beat Guerrero to the punch, he didn't really have to get away. Compare his footwork in the Marquez fight, which was exceptional for a 2 year layoff. I think he has naturally lost a step, which will favour Canelo. He's still quick on his feet, just not as quick as he was IMO.
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
ODH is probably the hardest because Floyd had never gone up that high in weight but we know that was an old Oscar and this version of Canelo is dangerous.
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
I'd say DLH, Mosley and Hatton were tougher opponents stylistically.
To me, all Canelo has in his corner is size and the possibility that Mayweather might suddenly "get old" overnight.
I think anyone who thinks Canelo is Floyd's toughest test above 140 is either severely over rating Canelo or is playing a little bit of revisionist history with Floyd's opponents.
DLH, Mosley and Hatton were acknowledged as "over the hill" a few short years after Floyd fought them, but when he DID fight them they were considered serious threats.
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
Here's a quick break down of the betting odds on a few of Floyd's previous opponents and the odds in the Canelo fight (these are approximate):
Mayweather vs. Marquez - odds were -360 favoring PBF
Mayweather vs. Ortiz - odds were -600 - -800 favoring PBF
Mayweather vs. Guerrero - odds were -750 favoring PBF
Mayweather vs. Cotto - odds were -800 favoring PBF
Mayweather vs. Mosley - odds were -450 favoring PBF
Mayweather vs. Canelo - odds are -200 - -300 favoring PBF
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
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Beanflicker
I'd say DLH, Mosley and Hatton were tougher opponents stylistically.
To me, all Canelo has in his corner is size and the possibility that Mayweather might suddenly "get old" overnight.
I think anyone who thinks Canelo is Floyd's toughest test above 140 is either severely over rating Canelo or is playing a little bit of revisionist history with Floyd's opponents.
DLH, Mosley and Hatton were acknowledged as "over the hill" a few short years after Floyd fought them, but when he DID fight them they were considered serious threats.
Or both. I will say this. I think it is pretty much agreed that out of those opponents, Cotto and De La Hoya actually gave Mayweather the toughest fights. Both those fights were at 154. At least with Cotto, I think he outperformed what most people thought he was going to be able to do against Floyd. Then in his next fight, he was completely dominated by Austin Trout. Therefore, an argument can be made that Floyd has been less effective at 154.
This fight isn't at 154 though, it's at a catch weight of 152, and how the catch weight affects Canelo's shot is critical if you are considering betting on the fight.
So, I take it you don't really rate Canelo as a good win in comparison with Floyd's wins over Hatton, Mosley and De La Hoya? Would you rate it over Guerrero, Ortiz and Marquez? Or right in the mix there?
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I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo. It's clear if you are a boxer turning down a Floyd Mayweather fight is retarded, so it makes sense why he is facing him now. At the same time, Canelo seems a little green to me. If you're a Canelo fan, in the ideal world, he could face some more competition before getting in the right with the best. Racking up wins against other belt holders before facing the best wouldn't be a bad idea.
The only reason why I think he might not be too green is because of his win over Trout. Trout is a full-fledged junior middleweight that completely dominated Cotto in his last fight. It's possible to use that as a yard stick for where Canelo is at.
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KickMuck
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Hulk
The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
What makes him 'a prick'?
His smug arrogance, beating up on tomato cans his first 30 or 40 fights and his sense of entitlement fighting for his first belt against MATTHEW HATTON.
Not to mention assaulting some lil bantam weight for supposedly hitting on his girlfriend.
He's a bully and he likes to jerk off fancy horses or artificially inseminate them or something of the sort.
I do not like him Sam I am, I do not like red headed fuck and ham.
Hehe ,,Arnold Schwarzenegger is a red head
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KickMuck
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Hulk
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KickMuck
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Hulk
The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
What makes him 'a prick'?
His smug arrogance, beating up on tomato cans his first 30 or 40 fights and his sense of entitlement fighting for his first belt against MATTHEW HATTON.
Not to mention assaulting some lil bantam weight for supposedly hitting on his girlfriend.
He's a bully and he likes to jerk off fancy horses or artificially inseminate them or something of the sort.
I do not like him Sam I am, I do not like red headed fuck and ham.
Hehe ,,Arnold Schwarzenegger is a red head
Take it back! :mad:
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
On paper, probably. But in hindsight after the fight happens, i think we will all be singing a different tune
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I didn't know this was at 152. It's pretty hypocritical of Floyd, who I think bashed Manny for making people come down to catch weights.
I for sure rank Hatton, DLH and Mosley victories (at the time he got them) over Canelo. But I'd rank Canelo over Cotto, Ortiz and Guerrero, who were three guys who I don't think anyone gave any real chance to.
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Rantcatrat
I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo. It's clear if you are a boxer turning down a Floyd Mayweather fight is retarded, so it makes sense why he is facing him now. At the same time, Canelo seems a little green to me. If you're a Canelo fan, in the ideal world, he could face some more competition before getting in the right with the best. Racking up wins against other belt holders before facing the best wouldn't be a bad idea.
The only reason why I think he might not be too green is because of his win over Trout. Trout is a full-fledged junior middleweight that completely dominated Cotto in his last fight. It's possible to use that as a yard stick for where Canelo is at.
The Trout fight was a travesty...sure Canelo won...but the scoring was disgraceful and outside of a knockout Trout never had a chance in that environment. More so...Canelo showed his stamina issues in full spades. Canelo and his team went for the big money with the Floyd fight and i can't hate him for that. But he is about to get schooled.
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zhubin
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Rantcatrat
I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo. It's clear if you are a boxer turning down a Floyd Mayweather fight is retarded, so it makes sense why he is facing him now. At the same time, Canelo seems a little green to me. If you're a Canelo fan, in the ideal world, he could face some more competition before getting in the right with the best. Racking up wins against other belt holders before facing the best wouldn't be a bad idea.
The only reason why I think he might not be too green is because of his win over Trout. Trout is a full-fledged junior middleweight that completely dominated Cotto in his last fight. It's possible to use that as a yard stick for where Canelo is at.
The Trout fight was a travesty...sure Canelo won...but the scoring was disgraceful and outside of a knockout Trout never had a chance in that environment. More so...Canelo showed his stamina issues in full spades. Canelo and his team went for the big money with the Floyd fight and i can't hate him for that. But he is about to get schooled.
I thought the same when Floyd and Manny fought Oscar that it was about the money. When they beat him they became massive stars. If Canelo wins this he will pick up the multi million dollar cheques that Floyd would have got.
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I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo.
How could you not give Ricky Hatton a shot at beating Floyd?
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zhubin
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Rantcatrat
I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo. It's clear if you are a boxer turning down a Floyd Mayweather fight is retarded, so it makes sense why he is facing him now. At the same time, Canelo seems a little green to me. If you're a Canelo fan, in the ideal world, he could face some more competition before getting in the right with the best. Racking up wins against other belt holders before facing the best wouldn't be a bad idea.
The only reason why I think he might not be too green is because of his win over Trout. Trout is a full-fledged junior middleweight that completely dominated Cotto in his last fight. It's possible to use that as a yard stick for where Canelo is at.
The Trout fight was a travesty...sure Canelo won...but the scoring was disgraceful and outside of a knockout Trout never had a chance in that environment. More so...Canelo showed his stamina issues in full spades. Canelo and his team went for the big money with the Floyd fight and i can't hate him for that. But he is about to get schooled.
I thought the same when Floyd and Manny fought Oscar that it was about the money. When they beat him they became massive stars. If Canelo wins this he will pick up the multi million dollar cheques that Floyd would have got.
Floyd and Pac where at completely different stages of their careers compared to Canelo. They were proven champions...on a whole different level than Alvarez is right now. Alvarez could have still picked up huge paydays without this fight and gotten more experience as well. He has not fought anyone remotely as good as Floyd and he is going to get badly exposed. Sometimes...patience is a virtue.
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Canelo doesn't have a whole lot to lose in this, unless he fights like a complete bitch. If he wins, he whipped the undefeated p4p great and becomes a legend before 25. If he loses, him and his promoters can just spin the "he wasn't ready, too young, learned a lot, made him a better fighter" angle and he goes on to a great career.
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Hulk
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Hulk
The thing with red headed fuck is that he improves with every fight, he's always getting better.
I do think that Oscar was the most dangerous and toughest opponent for Floyd in years. Tougher even than Canelo will be on paper, but since Canelo is ever improving and a big bastard with underrated defense, and a whole country behind him (why I don't know cus he's a prick), well all that adds up to him being potentially a very rough night for Floyd.
I think Floyd will win, but he cannot sleep on the ginger bastard.
What makes him 'a prick'?
His smug arrogance, beating up on tomato cans his first 30 or 40 fights and his sense of entitlement fighting for his first belt against MATTHEW HATTON.
Not to mention assaulting some lil bantam weight for supposedly hitting on his girlfriend.
He's a bully and he likes to jerk off fancy horses or artificially inseminate them or something of the sort.
I do not like him Sam I am, I do not like red headed fuck and ham.
Hehe ,,Arnold Schwarzenegger is a red head
What makes him 'a prick'?[/QUOTE]
His smug arrogance, beating up on tomato cans his first 30 or 40 fights and his sense of entitlement fighting for his first belt against MATTHEW HATTON. Only 22 and has not had enought fights to beat all the has beens PBF has beaten
Not to mention assaulting some lil bantam weight for supposedly hitting on his girlfriend. / Beats beating the Girfriend like PBF. Disrepecting his ol man now that is topin the black trash department ..... He is trash and comes from trash .....
He's a bully and he likes to jerk off fancy horses or artificially inseminate them or something of the sort. Ok so burning money is better, and KO out a defenseless fighter is better ..... what an idiot
I do not like him Sam I am, I do not like red headed fuck and ham.[/QUOTE] A person is a person no matter how small Dr. Seuss
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Rantcatrat
I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo.
How could you not give Ricky Hatton a shot at beating Floyd?
LOL Rick the inbred man Hatton is /was a complete over rated joke
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Beanflicker
Canelo doesn't have a whole lot to lose in this, unless he fights like a complete bitch. If he wins, he whipped the undefeated p4p great and becomes a legend before 25. If he loses, him and his promoters can just spin the "he wasn't ready, too young, learned a lot, made him a better fighter" angle and he goes on to a great career.
Exactly has nothing to lose put on a good show and lose = he wins , win the fight and win more money and fame ..... graet situation !
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Beanflicker
I'd say DLH, Mosley and Hatton were tougher opponents stylistically.
To me, all Canelo has in his corner is size and the possibility that Mayweather might suddenly "get old" overnight.
I think anyone who thinks Canelo is Floyd's toughest test above 140 is either severely over rating Canelo or is playing a little bit of revisionist history with Floyd's opponents.
DLH, Mosley and Hatton were acknowledged as "over the hill" a few short years after Floyd fought them, but when he DID fight them they were considered serious threats.
Nice try but DLH was inactive , cross dressed and not motivated, Mosley was already breaking down chemically from years of stroid use and Cotto had already exposed and whippeed that ass and Hatton iwas fucking Benny Hill with trunks. No kudos to PBF's lite menu of opponents
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Potentially it could be. Definitely the first time he has fought someone younger, stronger and hungrier.
I think his pure traditional style will be prefect for Floyd and he'll make a mess of his face. Think he can possibly walk through Floyd though.
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LOL Rick the inbred man Hatton is /was a complete over rated joke
Even if that's true, don't be a revisionist historian: a LOT of people picked Hatton to win.
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Rantcatrat
I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo. It's clear if you are a boxer turning down a Floyd Mayweather fight is retarded, so it makes sense why he is facing him now. At the same time, Canelo seems a little green to me. If you're a Canelo fan, in the ideal world, he could face some more competition before getting in the right with the best. Racking up wins against other belt holders before facing the best wouldn't be a bad idea.
The only reason why I think he might not be too green is because of his win over Trout. Trout is a full-fledged junior middleweight that completely dominated Cotto in his last fight. It's possible to use that as a yard stick for where Canelo is at.
The Trout fight was a travesty...sure Canelo won...but the scoring was disgraceful and outside of a knockout Trout never had a chance in that environment. More so...Canelo showed his stamina issues in full spades. Canelo and his team went for the big money with the Floyd fight and i can't hate him for that. But he is about to get schooled.
Two excellent points here. Canelo is a bit green. I think that is one reason why Floyd wants to fight him now. Second point is the Trout fight. Canelo seemed uncomfortable. Scoring was ridiculous. If Canelo fights Floyd the way he fought Trout I think he will get schooled. I think Trout was big competition for Canelo and many of his weaknesses were shown. The positive side is he may not make the same mistakes with Floyd.
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bzkfn
I've said yes. I'm most intrigued by Canelo as an opponent because he's young, he's undefeated, he improves with every fight, he is a natural 154lber and Floyd is older and doesn't have as much speed in the legs as he used to. In think on paper, it could be one of his hardest ever challenges.
Really WOW his legs and speed looked as fast as hes ever been in his last fight in fact i think floyd is going to get even better and sharper as these next 5 fights go on, because hes fighting 2 times a year and will be basically training non stop. So think about it no more fighting having long lay offs hes only going to be better and sharper hes going to destroy canelo i bet any1 he stops or makes canelo quit
I'm not sure which fights you were watching man. Floyds legs are most definitely not what they used to be. He's getting out of the way mostly on his upper body movement now. If you watch the Ortiz fight and the Cotto fight again, you will notice that Floyd is getting backed up against the ropes and trading shots ALOT. I'm not saying that Canelo will beat him because of this...but to say Floyds legs haven't lost anything tells me that you're REALLY HOPING he hasn't...because he has. I'm interested how these "against the ropes" spots will play out in this fight. Especially with Canelo very possibly entering the ring at 170 on fight night.
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The only thing that worries me about Floyd's legs is whether he is able to sustain the kind of leverage needed to really dig those jabs and back-hands into that nice open stop between Canelo's elbows.
If he stops doing it mid-fight, he can feint the shot and come up with the left hook etc so I guess it's no big deal really so why the hell am I typing about Floyd's legs for..?!
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I've said yes. I'm most intrigued by Canelo as an opponent because he's young, he's undefeated, he improves with every fight, he is a natural 154lber and Floyd is older and doesn't have as much speed in the legs as he used to. In think on paper, it could be one of his hardest ever challenges.
Really WOW his legs and speed looked as fast as hes ever been in his last fight in fact i think floyd is going to get even better and sharper as these next 5 fights go on, because hes fighting 2 times a year and will be basically training non stop. So think about it no more fighting having long lay offs hes only going to be better and sharper hes going to destroy canelo i bet any1 he stops or makes canelo quit
I'm not sure which fights you were watching man. Floyds legs are most definitely not what they used to be. He's getting out of the way mostly on his upper body movement now. If you watch the Ortiz fight and the Cotto fight again, you will notice that Floyd is getting backed up against the ropes and trading shots ALOT. I'm not saying that Canelo will beat him because of this...but to say Floyds legs haven't lost anything tells me that you're REALLY HOPING he hasn't...because he has. I'm interested how these "against the ropes" spots will play out in this fight. Especially with Canelo very possibly entering the ring at 170 on fight night.
And then again in the Guerrero fight he was moving like he was 26 years old.
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I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo. It's clear if you are a boxer turning down a Floyd Mayweather fight is retarded, so it makes sense why he is facing him now. At the same time, Canelo seems a little green to me. If you're a Canelo fan, in the ideal world, he could face some more competition before getting in the right with the best. Racking up wins against other belt holders before facing the best wouldn't be a bad idea.
The only reason why I think he might not be too green is because of his win over Trout. Trout is a full-fledged junior middleweight that completely dominated Cotto in his last fight. It's possible to use that as a yard stick for where Canelo is at.
The Trout fight was a travesty...sure Canelo won...but the scoring was disgraceful and outside of a knockout Trout never had a chance in that environment. More so...Canelo showed his stamina issues in full spades. Canelo and his team went for the big money with the Floyd fight and i can't hate him for that. But he is about to get schooled.
Regardless of the judge's scoring, I had Canelo winning that fight, and I thought Trout would win going into it. As much as I saw the stamina issues, I also saw Canelo making slight adjustments during the fight, and knocking Trout down for the first time in his career. By the way, Trout himself admitted he lost the fight.
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
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I haven't given a Floyd opponent a shot to beat him since Oscar, until Canelo. It's clear if you are a boxer turning down a Floyd Mayweather fight is retarded, so it makes sense why he is facing him now. At the same time, Canelo seems a little green to me. If you're a Canelo fan, in the ideal world, he could face some more competition before getting in the right with the best. Racking up wins against other belt holders before facing the best wouldn't be a bad idea.
The only reason why I think he might not be too green is because of his win over Trout. Trout is a full-fledged junior middleweight that completely dominated Cotto in his last fight. It's possible to use that as a yard stick for where Canelo is at.
The Trout fight was a travesty...sure Canelo won...but the scoring was disgraceful and outside of a knockout Trout never had a chance in that environment. More so...Canelo showed his stamina issues in full spades. Canelo and his team went for the big money with the Floyd fight and i can't hate him for that. But he is about to get schooled.
Two excellent points here. Canelo is a bit green. I think that is one reason why Floyd wants to fight him now. Second point is the Trout fight. Canelo seemed uncomfortable. Scoring was ridiculous. If Canelo fights Floyd the way he fought Trout I think he will get schooled. I think Trout was big competition for Canelo and many of his weaknesses were shown. The positive side is he may not make the same mistakes with Floyd.
However, Trout completely schooled Cotto, literally, I had him pitching a shut out. For Canelo to come in and beat Trout, shows the level he is at. I agree it was a close fight, but I had Trout as the top man, or close to it, in that division. I'll put it to you like this. I would rank this as a better quality victory than a victory over the current, junior middleweight version of Cotto. What I mean is, had Canelo fought Cotto next, not Mayweather, I would consider it a step back in terms of competition. It was a great victory for the young red headed fighter from Mexico. It's hard to knock it.
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Re: Is Canelo the toughest opponent for PBF since PBF has weighed over 140 pounds?
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Potentially it could be. Definitely the first time he has fought someone younger, stronger and hungrier.
I think his pure traditional style will be prefect for Floyd and he'll make a mess of his face. Think he can possibly walk through Floyd though.
I think that is the main question. No way Canelo outboxes or outfoxes Floyd. He could out-muscle and land the more telling blows, if he lands of course.
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I'll put it to you like this. I would rank this as a better quality victory than a victory over the current, junior middleweight version of Cotto. What I mean is, had Canelo fought Cotto next, not Mayweather, I would consider it a step back in terms of competition. It was a great victory for the young red headed fighter from Mexico. It's hard to knock it.
Agreed 100%. It's easy to forget that Canelo is still just a kid. He deserves big respect for taking the fight and beating Trout, who is a very solid fighter with a tricky southpaw style. Way more impressed with that then if he had fought Cotto.
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I'll put it to you like this. I would rank this as a better quality victory than a victory over the current, junior middleweight version of Cotto. What I mean is, had Canelo fought Cotto next, not Mayweather, I would consider it a step back in terms of competition. It was a great victory for the young red headed fighter from Mexico. It's hard to knock it.
Agreed 100%. It's easy to forget that Canelo is still just a kid. He deserves big respect for taking the fight and beating Trout, who is a very solid fighter with a tricky southpaw style. Way more impressed with that then if he had fought Cotto.
Canelo beating Trout will give him the confidence that he can beat the more talented but smaller Floyd.
