The Blueprint to beat Broner.

Lets look at his last 2 fights.

Gavin Rees - hit Broner numerous times until round 3, landing quick combos, but lacked the power to really trouble him, but he went forward for most of the fight and although Broner wasn't in danger at all, Rees just showed me that Broner isn't as good defensively as he thinks he is.

Paulie - Broner struggled a bit more and nothing landed solid on Paulie really, Paulies jab worked a treat and Broner looked very flat at times. The body shots landed every time Paulie threw one.


Do you think these two guys, who are not big punchers have set the blueprint on beating Broner?

I'm not the kind of person that watches fights and looks for weaknesses, but these ones jump out at me because he's supposed to be the next big thing.

Plus he didn't seem anywhere near as powerful at WW.

Now say Matthysse lands a flush shot? or Maidana lands one?

Or what if he fought Khan? I think Khan dances round him, Khan is, in my eyes the fastest hands in the division, maybe even boxing in general, and he's not entirely feather fisted, he can drop people.

Thoughts?

lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

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lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

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The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

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lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

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The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

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I don't think you can say its that simple with Khans chin. Amir would win every second of the fight he didn't spend on queer street, but he'd have to be so careful and could go at any second. Broner is a better counter puncher than Danny Garcia or Julio Diaz that's for sure. I think there's also a pretty good chance Khan is half spent myself.

At welterweight he could be out boxed by Devon and Khan who have the height, reach and speed. Bradley has better conditioning.

Floyd is faster and all round better.

Unsure what is left of Manny and JMM. At light welter Garcia and Mattyhsse have the power to hurt Broner and beat him.

You really don't need a master blue print, just a hard hat, a pick and an axe so to speak. He's really not that complicated it would appear. He is a very very complacent type who waits and expects his counter opportunity more than assert at setting them up. And he looks to do it all for the most part in a straight tall line with little to no lateral movement. I am hard pressed to think of a spell over last few where he has even tried to find his backfoot...set up off the side or just plain show this "outstanding boxer" he proclaims to be. He's an inside fighter with not great defense, flat wide feet and its not so much a shoulder roll as its more used as a shoulder wall to back opponents. Walls can be scaled, gone around. Work rate fast hands behind a good jab and an immunity to bullshit slight of hands and over sold facial expressions will beat him. He's biting a style he knows little of.

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lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

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The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

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I don't think you can say its that simple with Khans chin. Amir would win every second of the fight he didn't spend on queer street, but he'd have to be so careful and could go at any second. Broner is a better counter puncher than Danny Garcia or Julio Diaz that's for sure. I think there's also a pretty good chance Khan is half spent myself.

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This is not lightweight though, he's not that powerful at WW, I could clearly see that, I mean khan Tkod Malignaggi and Broner couldn't.


Khan is taller and has a better reach than Broner and he's quicker and he moves with ease.

I see khan just dancing circles around Broner.

I've already seen Broner is 2 very close fights against average guys.

I say it again, he's not everything that people say he is.

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lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

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The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

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I don't think you can say its that simple with Khans chin. Amir would win every second of the fight he didn't spend on queer street, but he'd have to be so careful and could go at any second. Broner is a better counter puncher than Danny Garcia or Julio Diaz that's for sure. I think there's also a pretty good chance Khan is half spent myself.

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This is not lightweight though, he's not that powerful at WW, I could clearly see that, I mean khan Tkod Malignaggi and Broner couldn't.


Khan is taller and has a better reach than Broner and he's quicker and he moves with ease.

I see khan just dancing circles around Broner.

I've already seen Broner is 2 very close fights against average guys.

I say it again, he's not everything that people say he is.

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I don't disagree with any of this, it's just that Khan has absolutely no punch resistance. He was in serious trouble against a badly faded never was lightweight in his last go, Broner is at least more dangerous than Diaz. As I said, Khan could probably box his head off as long as he didn't get touched, but I wouldn't be confident about that at this point. Half of it is down to Khan not looking quite as sharp offensively either, had he just shown the form he did against Malignaggi it would be easy to say he'd beat Broner right now, but who knows where he is really at.

I like the fight and all, just can't see either side being eager to make it happen.

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lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

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The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

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I don't think you can say its that simple with Khans chin. Amir would win every second of the fight he didn't spend on queer street, but he'd have to be so careful and could go at any second. Broner is a better counter puncher than Danny Garcia or Julio Diaz that's for sure. I think there's also a pretty good chance Khan is half spent myself.

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This is not lightweight though, he's not that powerful at WW, I could clearly see that, I mean khan Tkod Malignaggi and Broner couldn't.


Khan is taller and has a better reach than Broner and he's quicker and he moves with ease.

I see khan just dancing circles around Broner.

I've already seen Broner is 2 very close fights against average guys.

I say it again, he's not everything that people say he is.

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I don't disagree with any of this, it's just that Khan has absolutely no punch resistance. He was in serious trouble against a badly faded never was lightweight in his last go, Broner is at least more dangerous than Diaz. As I said, Khan could probably box his head off as long as he didn't get touched, but I wouldn't be confident about that at this point. Half of it is down to Khan not looking quite as sharp offensively either, had he just shown the form he did against Malignaggi it would be easy to say he'd beat Broner right now, but who knows where he is really at.

I like the fight and all, just can't see either side being eager to make it happen.

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I agree with you on this, he shouldn't have been in that sort of trouble against the likes of Diaz even though Diaz is a puncher.

The khan that beat Maidana would have eased past Diaz.

I also agree that Khan vs Broner isn't a good move for either fighter right now.

Here's the huge flaw in the logic of all this Broner bashing: you guys are all asuming that Broner would fight everyone the same way he fought Gavin Rees and Malignaggi.

Broner stood still in front of those guys, in all likelyhood, because they were not known as big punchers (goes triple for Paulie). You guys are going out on a limb assuming that Broner would employ the same tactics against a guy like Matthyse, Garcia, or anyone else with a respectable punch.

Do you guys honestly believe you're uncovering some kind of secret, or that you have more insight into boxing tactics than the professionals?

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Here's the huge flaw in the logic of all this Broner bashing: you guys are all asuming that Broner would fight everyone the same way he fought Gavin Rees and Malignaggi.

Broner stood still in front of those guys, in all likelyhood, because they were not known as big punchers (goes triple for Paulie). You guys are going out on a limb assuming that Broner would employ the same tactics against a guy like Matthyse, Garcia, or anyone else with a respectable punch.

Do you guys honestly believe you're uncovering some kind of secret, or that you have more insight into boxing tactics than the professionals?

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It's just a bit of a stretch imo, to suggest that Broner is literally letting those guys hit him over and over because they aren't powerful. Who the hell does that at world level? He fought Ponce de leon the same way and easily could have lost that one. There are guys who know how to box and punch you know, he's not always going to have the luxury of fighting one or the other. I'm also not sure at all what the last bit is supposed to mean:confused: Until he is actually put in the ring with a big puncher around his size, how do you know that "the professionals" aren't just as aware of his shortcomings as we are pretending to be? It remains to be seen how he would fight someone like Matthyse or Garcia, and I'm hopeful that we'll find out how he deals with that soon enough.

To be honest he's been in with Rees and Paulie. Neither can really dig and neither are really natural Welters. Broner was as active as he needed to be to win the fight. Once the level of opposition improves, so will Broner imo.

I don't like the guy but he fought this way against Rees and Paulie purely because he didn't respect them. That kind of mindset might catch up with him eventually, but for now, there's still no blueprint. That said, he could simply get stretched out by some of the 140's/147's out there - but something tells me Broner has many more levels to go to.

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Here's the huge flaw in the logic of all this Broner bashing: you guys are all asuming that Broner would fight everyone the same way he fought Gavin Rees and Malignaggi.

Broner stood still in front of those guys, in all likelyhood, because they were not known as big punchers (goes triple for Paulie). You guys are going out on a limb assuming that Broner would employ the same tactics against a guy like Matthyse, Garcia, or anyone else with a respectable punch.

Do you guys honestly believe you're uncovering some kind of secret, or that you have more insight into boxing tactics than the professionals?

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Thats really putting lipstick on a pig and assuming alot. Have you seen fights others have missed? Fans believe what they see and judge a guy accordingly. A professional ring is a helluva place to experiment, they call that a gym and a sparring session. If he thinks he really is THAT good that he only has to bring %75 to the table, take a guy for granted and can suddenly flip a switch into some superior model when it gets deep against "real" threats and risk getting wrecked, he's a bigger fool than I thought. That'll get you torched. He doesn't get that convenience and pass at this stage.

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To be honest he's been in with Rees and Paulie. Neither can really dig and neither are really natural Welters. Broner was as active as he needed to be to win the fight. Once the level of opposition improves, so will Broner imo.

I don't like the guy but he fought this way against Rees and Paulie purely because he didn't respect them. That kind of mindset might catch up with him eventually, but for now, there's still no blueprint. That said, he could simply get stretched out by some of the 140's/147's out there - but something tells me Broner has many more levels to go to.

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It's certainly possible you're right, but when he's losing rounds in the process you'd think he would gain a little bit of respect surely:confused: It's not as though Paulie just couldn't hurt him and that's that, he was giving Broner a lot to think about and it didn't seem to light a fire under the guy at any point. The fight was a lot closer than it should have been if Broner does in fact have these other gears which he appears he should.

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Thats really putting lipstick on a pig and assuming alot. Have you seen fights others have missed?

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I don't remember him doing it with anyone else. Did he do it with Ponce De Leon? I can't remember him doing it to that degree with anyone besides Paulie and Rees.

Fans can view what they want and judge accordingly, sure. If you want to look at a guy with 27 fights, and assume he'll always fight the way he did in 2 of those 27 fights, be my guest. There's no laws against being stupid.

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To be honest he's been in with Rees and Paulie. Neither can really dig and neither are really natural Welters. Broner was as active as he needed to be to win the fight. Once the level of opposition improves, so will Broner imo.

I don't like the guy but he fought this way against Rees and Paulie purely because he didn't respect them. That kind of mindset might catch up with him eventually, but for now, there's still no blueprint. That said, he could simply get stretched out by some of the 140's/147's out there - but something tells me Broner has many more levels to go to.

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Good to see somebody with some sense.

No offense guys but I don't believe the "he didn't try because he was always going to win" stuff you're spewing.

He barely won the Paulie fight, one judge gave it to Paulie and you can make a case for that, I had Broner up by 1 round and tbh he should have been deducted points.


This whole "he'll try when he has to" is bullshit.

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Thats really putting lipstick on a pig and assuming alot. Have you seen fights others have missed?

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I don't remember him doing it with anyone else. Did he do it with Ponce De Leon? I can't remember him doing it to that degree with anyone besides Paulie and Rees.

Fans can view what they want and judge accordingly, sure. If you want to look at a guy with 27 fights, and assume he'll always fight the way he did in 2 of those 27 fights, be my guest. There's no laws against being stupid.

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Wow. I'll just buckle up my helmet than and be over in the corner licking my pennies. So by that thinking we're to assume he can do things at a highly effective level more so than what we've actually seen happen up to this point :cwm13: Seeing is believing.

I'm not sure what his style was with a smaller Ponce De Leon...but he better come up with a plan C if that's his "serious" face. Wasn't exactly all that convincing in that one either.

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I don't remember him doing it with anyone else. Did he do it with Ponce De Leon? I can't remember him doing it to that degree with anyone besides Paulie and Rees.

Fans can view what they want and judge accordingly, sure. If you want to look at a guy with 27 fights, and assume he'll always fight the way he did in 2 of those 27 fights, be my guest. There's no laws against being stupid.

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No laws against being a prick either, suit yourself. Maybe you should watch the Ponce fight before you go calling good posters stupid for thinking less of him than you do. Perhaps Broner is indeed an almighty shapeshifter who will reinvent himself for every fight, that's probably alot more likely than him having any holes in his game huh. It's not as if he has a fairly distinct style or anything:rolleyes: I'm sure if he ever fights anyone who truly bothers him, he'll start moving laterally like no other, maybe then he'll do a double backflip superman punch and decapitate him before dissapearing in a cloud of black smoke!

I think as much as people do tend to criticize his boxing unfairly based on him being a clown, you are perhaps overcompensating the other way in order to validate your own hangups here:dontknow:.

If Paulie had power then he would have knocked out that arrogant douche early in my opinion. I think the Ghost would beat him the way he beat Berto. Broner's arrogance will be his undoing.

I'm actually getting Bronered out. He's going to be another one of these guys that will be judged on a completely different scale then anybody else because he's a twat. This is going to be my last comment on Broner world because that planet is flat. So after this windy response I plan to be on a Bronercott until an actual fight is announced.

For many of those claiming to have the blue print to beating this guy you sure do manage to ignore a fair amount. It should not have surprised anyone that Paulie looked good early. Many of us said he would and that his speed and movement would cause Broner problems. Dam we all talked about his wide flat footed stance prior to Demarco. You can’t discount the fact that Rees and Paulie could not hurt him and that he knew it going in. Furthermore, you can’t discount both of their desires to put on a show and give the best they can in a fight that they knew they were over-matched in. It’s the reason we get some upsets.

Broner is a meticulous slow starter as he gathers distance and then timing it. He started pretty fast cause he had to and there was some real bad blood. He seemed after the ko which is not like him. There was some grudge in this and if you ask a prize fighter there is a different approach however subtle to a fight when you genuinely dislike a guy. I mean shit it’s like that on the street.

Let’s not forget that he is just 23 years old, jumped two weight classes and went to the guy’s back yard. So being a little sluggish should not have surprised anyone either given Paulies overall speed and time at the weight.

Remember Floyd/Castillo 1? There was similar talk and that was Floyd jumping one weight class and fighting the champion at his house not Castillo's. A less then stellar performance by the Oscar replacement. Then the second fight happened. Point is Broner has barely gotten his feet wet. He's just so annoying that it feels like he's been around for ten years.

@Rantcatrat talked about the possibility of Broner getting to much credit after he smashed Paulie and well whats happened here is the polar opposite. He now gets no credit because he struggled a bit and every reason for that struggling is simply dismissed out of hand by what appears to be his legion of haters across the boxing inter-web. I simply do not take to much from this fight pro or con. He's got an odd style and the tools with acknowledged weaknesses that given the wrong opponent could cause him grief and Paulie showed in spurts but that's only part of the puzzle.

For the record on these seven hypothetical fights. That’s if he stays at 147. I presume Rios will stay there after Manny.

Khan-Stands to straight up and goes straight back and generally fights to stupid in order to have a shot never mind what appears to be a screen door for a chin.
JMM- Broner most likely has a good shot at this point. The timing of Marquez is probably about to begin a slide and that could prove disastrous in this fight and generally for Marquez as a counter puncher. Quite possibly a cure for insomnia.
Bradley- Tims a solid fighter but his rinse and repeat style and come forward plod would be like a turkey shoot for Broner. The amount of sweat being knocked off Timmy's face from contact would have the ringside fans thinking they were at sea world.
Maidana- Ditto
Rios- Ditto
Guerrero- I think Guerreros style and rough housing tactics give Broner problems. He’s not just some walk in and land the bomb type guy. He can mix it up.I'd bet on Broner again on an ugly points win fight.
Alexander-Tough fight. I think Alexander has all the tools to match Broner and might get him going side to side and out from behind that shoulder.

Ps @Vendettos. I'm not sure how you call that fight close or how two of the judges did unless they factored in all the fouls being called in from the announcers some real and some made up. You don't get points for shadow boxing either and hitting air or hitting the arms or shoulders no matter how effective it was for the likes of Marciano.

No more Bronerisms from me until a fight is official.

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Lets look at his last 2 fights.

Gavin Rees - hit Broner numerous times until round 3, landing quick combos, but lacked the power to really trouble him, but he went forward for most of the fight and although Broner wasn't in danger at all, Rees just showed me that Broner isn't as good defensively as he thinks he is.

Paulie - Broner struggled a bit more and nothing landed solid on Paulie really, Paulies jab worked a treat and Broner looked very flat at times. The body shots landed every time Paulie threw one.


Do you think these two guys, who are not big punchers have set the blueprint on beating Broner?

I'm not the kind of person that watches fights and looks for weaknesses, but these ones jump out at me because he's supposed to be the next big thing.

Plus he didn't seem anywhere near as powerful at WW.

Now say Matthysse lands a flush shot? or Maidana lands one?

Or what if he fought Khan? I think Khan dances round him, Khan is, in my eyes the fastest hands in the division, maybe even boxing in general, and he's not entirely feather fisted, he can drop people.

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The blue print is simple....match Broner with someone his own size, who is good and can punch.

Didn't Broner also get a gift decision early in his career against Fernando Quintero ? i'll have to watch that fight sometime, to see what type of style Quintero had to trouble Broner so much.

You could say arguably Broner could have 2 losses on his record right now.

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Didn't Broner also get a gift decision early in his career against Fernando Quintero ? i'll have to watch that fight sometime, to see what type of style Quintero had to trouble Broner so much.

You could say arguably Broner could have 2 losses on his record right now.

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I scored the PDL fight close also.

Rees was simply goated into having false hopes! Broner felt him and knew he didn't have the power so he let Rees come forward without consequences! When Broner gaged him and then opened up on him Rees was gone!
Paulie was very different because he was on the move all the time! I personally think Broner over hydrated and wasn't comfortable and wasn't at his best! Again when he came out of the cross-armed defense and opened up on Paulie Mags ran pretty quickly!
I'm not a fan of cross-armed defense in the middle of ring I like it on the ropes or at close range but in the center your two handed attack is absent!
Broner shouldn't have any problems with opponents until they decide to stay at 47, he will grow out of 35 and 40 if he hasn't all ready. At his age he's maturing quickly now so he may have grown out of weight classes now!
People keep comparing Broner to Floyd, ridiculous! Bottom line is Floyd is a counter guy first and foremost where as Broner takes the center of the ring and dares his opponents to take it from him!
He is offensive minded and likes to counter, when he has an agressive fighter in front of him the fireworks will begin!
I want to see him under fire to see if he looses focus then I can get a full evaluation of him. Until then I know he has talent & skills and he's passing his tests!! Ray

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I'm actually getting Bronered out. He's going to be another one of these guys that will be judged on a completely different scale then anybody else because he's a twat. This is going to be my last comment on Broner world because that planet is flat. So after this windy response I plan to be on a Bronercott until an actual fight is announced.

For many of those claiming to have the blue print to beating this guy you sure do manage to ignore a fair amount. It should not have surprised anyone that Paulie looked good early. Many of us said he would and that his speed and movement would cause Broner problems. Dam we all talked about his wide flat footed stance prior to Demarco. You can’t discount the fact that Rees and Paulie could not hurt him and that he knew it going in. Furthermore, you can’t discount both of their desires to put on a show and give the best they can in a fight that they knew they were over-matched in. It’s the reason we get some upsets.

Broner is a meticulous slow starter as he gathers distance and then timing it. He started pretty fast cause he had to and there was some real bad blood. He seemed after the ko which is not like him. There was some grudge in this and if you ask a prize fighter there is a different approach however subtle to a fight when you genuinely dislike a guy. I mean shit it’s like that on the street.

Let’s not forget that he is just 23 years old, jumped two weight classes and went to the guy’s back yard. So being a little sluggish should not have surprised anyone either given Paulies overall speed and time at the weight.

Remember Floyd/Castillo 1? There was similar talk and that was Floyd jumping one weight class and fighting the champion at his house not Castillo's. A less then stellar performance by the Oscar replacement. Then the second fight happened. Point is Broner has barely gotten his feet wet. He's just so annoying that it feels like he's been around for ten years.

@Rantcatrat talked about the possibility of Broner getting to much credit after he smashed Paulie and well whats happened here is the polar opposite. He now gets no credit because he struggled a bit and every reason for that struggling is simply dismissed out of hand by what appears to be his legion of haters across the boxing inter-web. I simply do not take to much from this fight pro or con. He's got an odd style and the tools with acknowledged weaknesses that given the wrong opponent could cause him grief and Paulie showed in spurts but that's only part of the puzzle.

For the record on these seven hypothetical fights. That’s if he stays at 147. I presume Rios will stay there after Manny.

Khan-Stands to straight up and goes straight back and generally fights to stupid in order to have a shot never mind what appears to be a screen door for a chin.
JMM- Broner most likely has a good shot at this point. The timing of Marquez is probably about to begin a slide and that could prove disastrous in this fight and generally for Marquez as a counter puncher. Quite possibly a cure for insomnia.
Bradley- Tims a solid fighter but his rinse and repeat style and come forward plod would be like a turkey shoot for Broner. The amount of sweat being knocked off Timmy's face from contact would have the ringside fans thinking they were at sea world.
Maidana- Ditto
Rios- Ditto
Guerrero- I think Guerreros style and rough housing tactics give Broner problems. He’s not just some walk in and land the bomb type guy. He can mix it up.I'd bet on Broner again on an ugly points win fight.
Alexander-Tough fight. I think Alexander has all the tools to match Broner and might get him going side to side and out from behind that shoulder.

Ps @Vendettos . I'm not sure how you call that fight close or how two of the judges did unless they factored in all the fouls being called in from the announcers some real and some made up. You don't get points for shadow boxing either and hitting air or hitting the arms or shoulders no matter how effective it was for the likes of Marciano.

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Fair post, my friend.

Unfortunately, I think Broner brought the hate on himself for claiming to be the next Floyd Mayweather in boxing, and wanting to face Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao. That kind of heady talk will get you heat if you don't walk through Paulie Malignaggi. Everyone expected this to be a break through performance, but it ended up being a tough fight for him, which surprised a lot of people. It wouldn't be a big deal for someone like say Cano, or even, Thurman, but for someone like Broner, who was touted as the next big deal, it caused a meltdown, which in my opinion, was deserved.

Agreed.

I notice that they keep him clear of punchers recently.

He won't survive against a puncher, Paulie hit him so many times, more than any boxer should be hit after claiming to be the next Floyd.

He will lose, soon!

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Didn't Broner also get a gift decision early in his career against Fernando Quintero ? i'll have to watch that fight sometime, to see what type of style Quintero had to trouble Broner so much.

You could say arguably Broner could have 2 losses on his record right now.

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I scored the PDL fight close also.

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Has anyone on here actually seen the Quintero fight ? i've heard its pretty controversial. I might watch it tomorrow to see for myself and maybe put a scorecard up here.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Didn't Broner also get a gift decision early in his career against Fernando Quintero ? i'll have to watch that fight sometime, to see what type of style Quintero had to trouble Broner so much.

You could say arguably Broner could have 2 losses on his record right now.

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I scored the PDL fight close also.

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Has anyone on here actually seen the Quintero fight ? i've heard its pretty controversial. I might watch it tomorrow to see for myself and maybe put a scorecard up here.

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@ ICB Totally forgot we called that one here :) He actually sounded like an even bigger tool then, hard to imagine. The yippy was a thank God its over yippy ;D
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Originally Posted by Vendettos

Agreed.

I notice that they keep him clear of punchers recently.

He won't survive against a puncher, Paulie hit him so many times, more than any boxer should be hit after claiming to be the next Floyd.

He will lose, soon!

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I want Randall Bailey to Mike Jones his ass.

Just land that right hand ONCE.

That's all it should take.

All it takes for most.

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Originally Posted by ono

To be honest he's been in with Rees and Paulie. Neither can really dig and neither are really natural Welters. Broner was as active as he needed to be to win the fight. Once the level of opposition improves, so will Broner imo.

I don't like the guy but he fought this way against Rees and Paulie purely because he didn't respect them. That kind of mindset might catch up with him eventually, but for now, there's still no blueprint. That said, he could simply get stretched out by some of the 140's/147's out there - but something tells me Broner has many more levels to go to.

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It's certainly possible you're right, but when he's losing rounds in the process you'd think he would gain a little bit of respect surely:confused: It's not as though Paulie just couldn't hurt him and that's that, he was giving Broner a lot to think about and it didn't seem to light a fire under the guy at any point. The fight was a lot closer than it should have been if Broner does in fact have these other gears which he appears he should.

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Yeah it was bizarre to watch really. The fight was as close as Broner let it get really. Maybe there is something in the story about him asking Paulie (a few years ago mind) how he manages to go 12 rounds all the time. Like Broner is worried about taking too much out of the tank?

Whatever it was, it was strange to see because the difference level in talent was quite wide imo and i thought he would have wanted to push for the stoppage or at least gone for a shut out.

For the record, i had Broner winning fairly comfortably. I think i scored it 116-112. There was certainly some rounds which were open for interpretation but i felt that on a few occasions Paulie was winning the round on work rate alone, and then Broner would snap his head back a couple of times. Fine margins anyway, and any elite level fighter should really be putting daylight between himself and guys like Paulie.

Be interesting to see what he does next.