The Blueprint to beat Broner.

[Vendettos]

lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

I don't think you can say its that simple with Khans chin. Amir would win every second of the fight he didn't spend on queer street, but he'd have to be so careful and could go at any second. Broner is a better counter puncher than Danny Garcia or Julio Diaz that's for sure. I think there's also a pretty good chance Khan is half spent myself.

This is not lightweight though, he's not that powerful at WW, I could clearly see that, I mean khan Tkod Malignaggi and Broner couldn't.


Khan is taller and has a better reach than Broner and he's quicker and he moves with ease.

I see khan just dancing circles around Broner.

I've already seen Broner is 2 very close fights against average guys.

I say it again, he's not everything that people say he is.

[p4pking]

lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

I don't think you can say its that simple with Khans chin. Amir would win every second of the fight he didn't spend on queer street, but he'd have to be so careful and could go at any second. Broner is a better counter puncher than Danny Garcia or Julio Diaz that's for sure. I think there's also a pretty good chance Khan is half spent myself.

This is not lightweight though, he's not that powerful at WW, I could clearly see that, I mean khan Tkod Malignaggi and Broner couldn't.


Khan is taller and has a better reach than Broner and he's quicker and he moves with ease.

I see khan just dancing circles around Broner.

I've already seen Broner is 2 very close fights against average guys.

I say it again, he's not everything that people say he is.

I don't disagree with any of this, it's just that Khan has absolutely no punch resistance. He was in serious trouble against a badly faded never was lightweight in his last go, Broner is at least more dangerous than Diaz. As I said, Khan could probably box his head off as long as he didn't get touched, but I wouldn't be confident about that at this point. Half of it is down to Khan not looking quite as sharp offensively either, had he just shown the form he did against Malignaggi it would be easy to say he'd beat Broner right now, but who knows where he is really at.

I like the fight and all, just can't see either side being eager to make it happen.

[Vendettos]

lets be honest he won fairly comfortably in both of those fights

yeah both fighters landed a few and pauli even won his fair share of rounds but broner never really looked out of his comfort zone

i think if the punches had have been heavier he would have adapted

i dont like him and would like to see him KOed as it seems everyone else would

hes a big fella for a lightweight and looks more at home at welter, once he starts fighting better welterweights / light welters then lets see then how he copes

The Rees fight was comfortable, but I scored it 1 round to Broner vs Paulie so not that comfortable.

If Broner was up against Khan on Saturday he'd have a loss. Plain and simple.

I don't think you can say its that simple with Khans chin. Amir would win every second of the fight he didn't spend on queer street, but he'd have to be so careful and could go at any second. Broner is a better counter puncher than Danny Garcia or Julio Diaz that's for sure. I think there's also a pretty good chance Khan is half spent myself.

This is not lightweight though, he's not that powerful at WW, I could clearly see that, I mean khan Tkod Malignaggi and Broner couldn't.


Khan is taller and has a better reach than Broner and he's quicker and he moves with ease.

I see khan just dancing circles around Broner.

I've already seen Broner is 2 very close fights against average guys.

I say it again, he's not everything that people say he is.

I don't disagree with any of this, it's just that Khan has absolutely no punch resistance. He was in serious trouble against a badly faded never was lightweight in his last go, Broner is at least more dangerous than Diaz. As I said, Khan could probably box his head off as long as he didn't get touched, but I wouldn't be confident about that at this point. Half of it is down to Khan not looking quite as sharp offensively either, had he just shown the form he did against Malignaggi it would be easy to say he'd beat Broner right now, but who knows where he is really at.

I like the fight and all, just can't see either side being eager to make it happen.

I agree with you on this, he shouldn't have been in that sort of trouble against the likes of Diaz even though Diaz is a puncher.

The khan that beat Maidana would have eased past Diaz.

I also agree that Khan vs Broner isn't a good move for either fighter right now.

[Beanflicker]

Here's the huge flaw in the logic of all this Broner bashing: you guys are all asuming that Broner would fight everyone the same way he fought Gavin Rees and Malignaggi.

Broner stood still in front of those guys, in all likelyhood, because they were not known as big punchers (goes triple for Paulie). You guys are going out on a limb assuming that Broner would employ the same tactics against a guy like Matthyse, Garcia, or anyone else with a respectable punch.

Do you guys honestly believe you're uncovering some kind of secret, or that you have more insight into boxing tactics than the professionals?

[p4pking]

Here's the huge flaw in the logic of all this Broner bashing: you guys are all asuming that Broner would fight everyone the same way he fought Gavin Rees and Malignaggi.

Broner stood still in front of those guys, in all likelyhood, because they were not known as big punchers (goes triple for Paulie). You guys are going out on a limb assuming that Broner would employ the same tactics against a guy like Matthyse, Garcia, or anyone else with a respectable punch.

Do you guys honestly believe you're uncovering some kind of secret, or that you have more insight into boxing tactics than the professionals?

It's just a bit of a stretch imo, to suggest that Broner is literally letting those guys hit him over and over because they aren't powerful. Who the hell does that at world level? He fought Ponce de leon the same way and easily could have lost that one. There are guys who know how to box and punch you know, he's not always going to have the luxury of fighting one or the other. I'm also not sure at all what the last bit is supposed to mean Until he is actually put in the ring with a big puncher around his size, how do you know that "the professionals" aren't just as aware of his shortcomings as we are pretending to be? It remains to be seen how he would fight someone like Matthyse or Garcia, and I'm hopeful that we'll find out how he deals with that soon enough.

[ono]

To be honest he's been in with Rees and Paulie. Neither can really dig and neither are really natural Welters. Broner was as active as he needed to be to win the fight. Once the level of opposition improves, so will Broner imo.

I don't like the guy but he fought this way against Rees and Paulie purely because he didn't respect them. That kind of mindset might catch up with him eventually, but for now, there's still no blueprint. That said, he could simply get stretched out by some of the 140's/147's out there - but something tells me Broner has many more levels to go to.

[p4pking]

To be honest he's been in with Rees and Paulie. Neither can really dig and neither are really natural Welters. Broner was as active as he needed to be to win the fight. Once the level of opposition improves, so will Broner imo.

I don't like the guy but he fought this way against Rees and Paulie purely because he didn't respect them. That kind of mindset might catch up with him eventually, but for now, there's still no blueprint. That said, he could simply get stretched out by some of the 140's/147's out there - but something tells me Broner has many more levels to go to.

It's certainly possible you're right, but when he's losing rounds in the process you'd think he would gain a little bit of respect surely It's not as though Paulie just couldn't hurt him and that's that, he was giving Broner a lot to think about and it didn't seem to light a fire under the guy at any point. The fight was a lot closer than it should have been if Broner does in fact have these other gears which he appears he should.

[Beanflicker]

To be honest he's been in with Rees and Paulie. Neither can really dig and neither are really natural Welters. Broner was as active as he needed to be to win the fight. Once the level of opposition improves, so will Broner imo.

I don't like the guy but he fought this way against Rees and Paulie purely because he didn't respect them. That kind of mindset might catch up with him eventually, but for now, there's still no blueprint. That said, he could simply get stretched out by some of the 140's/147's out there - but something tells me Broner has many more levels to go to.

Good to see somebody with some sense.

[Spicoli]

Here's the huge flaw in the logic of all this Broner bashing: you guys are all asuming that Broner would fight everyone the same way he fought Gavin Rees and Malignaggi.

Broner stood still in front of those guys, in all likelyhood, because they were not known as big punchers (goes triple for Paulie). You guys are going out on a limb assuming that Broner would employ the same tactics against a guy like Matthyse, Garcia, or anyone else with a respectable punch.

Do you guys honestly believe you're uncovering some kind of secret, or that you have more insight into boxing tactics than the professionals?

Thats really putting lipstick on a pig and assuming alot. Have you seen fights others have missed? Fans believe what they see and judge a guy accordingly. A professional ring is a helluva place to experiment, they call that a gym and a sparring session. If he thinks he really is THAT good that he only has to bring %75 to the table, take a guy for granted and can suddenly flip a switch into some superior model when it gets deep against "real" threats and risk getting wrecked, he's a bigger fool than I thought. That'll get you torched. He doesn't get that convenience and pass at this stage.

[Beanflicker]

Thats really putting lipstick on a pig and assuming alot. Have you seen fights others have missed?

I don't remember him doing it with anyone else. Did he do it with Ponce De Leon? I can't remember him doing it to that degree with anyone besides Paulie and Rees.

Fans can view what they want and judge accordingly, sure. If you want to look at a guy with 27 fights, and assume he'll always fight the way he did in 2 of those 27 fights, be my guest. There's no laws against being stupid.

[Vendettos]

No offense guys but I don't believe the "he didn't try because he was always going to win" stuff you're spewing.

He barely won the Paulie fight, one judge gave it to Paulie and you can make a case for that, I had Broner up by 1 round and tbh he should have been deducted points.


This whole "he'll try when he has to" is bullshit.

[Spicoli]

Thats really putting lipstick on a pig and assuming alot. Have you seen fights others have missed?

I don't remember him doing it with anyone else. Did he do it with Ponce De Leon? I can't remember him doing it to that degree with anyone besides Paulie and Rees.

Fans can view what they want and judge accordingly, sure. If you want to look at a guy with 27 fights, and assume he'll always fight the way he did in 2 of those 27 fights, be my guest. There's no laws against being stupid.

Wow. I'll just buckle up my helmet than and be over in the corner licking my pennies. So by that thinking we're to assume he can do things at a highly effective level more so than what we've actually seen happen up to this point Seeing is believing.

I'm not sure what his style was with a smaller Ponce De Leon...but he better come up with a plan C if that's his "serious" face. Wasn't exactly all that convincing in that one either.

[p4pking]

Thats really putting lipstick on a pig and assuming alot. Have you seen fights others have missed?

I don't remember him doing it with anyone else. Did he do it with Ponce De Leon? I can't remember him doing it to that degree with anyone besides Paulie and Rees.

Fans can view what they want and judge accordingly, sure. If you want to look at a guy with 27 fights, and assume he'll always fight the way he did in 2 of those 27 fights, be my guest. There's no laws against being stupid.

No laws against being a prick either, suit yourself. Maybe you should watch the Ponce fight before you go calling good posters stupid for thinking less of him than you do. Perhaps Broner is indeed an almighty shapeshifter who will reinvent himself for every fight, that's probably alot more likely than him having any holes in his game huh. It's not as if he has a fairly distinct style or anything I'm sure if he ever fights anyone who truly bothers him, he'll start moving laterally like no other, maybe then he'll do a double backflip superman punch and decapitate him before dissapearing in a cloud of black smoke!

I think as much as people do tend to criticize his boxing unfairly based on him being a clown, you are perhaps overcompensating the other way in order to validate your own hangups here.

[jon09]

If Paulie had power then he would have knocked out that arrogant douche early in my opinion. I think the Ghost would beat him the way he beat Berto. Broner's arrogance will be his undoing.

[IamInuit]

I'm actually getting Bronered out. He's going to be another one of these guys that will be judged on a completely different scale then anybody else because he's a twat. This is going to be my last comment on Broner world because that planet is flat. So after this windy response I plan to be on a Bronercott until an actual fight is announced.

For many of those claiming to have the blue print to beating this guy you sure do manage to ignore a fair amount. It should not have surprised anyone that Paulie looked good early. Many of us said he would and that his speed and movement would cause Broner problems. Dam we all talked about his wide flat footed stance prior to Demarco. You can’t discount the fact that Rees and Paulie could not hurt him and that he knew it going in. Furthermore, you can’t discount both of their desires to put on a show and give the best they can in a fight that they knew they were over-matched in. It’s the reason we get some upsets.

Broner is a meticulous slow starter as he gathers distance and then timing it. He started pretty fast cause he had to and there was some real bad blood. He seemed after the ko which is not like him. There was some grudge in this and if you ask a prize fighter there is a different approach however subtle to a fight when you genuinely dislike a guy. I mean shit it’s like that on the street.

Let’s not forget that he is just 23 years old, jumped two weight classes and went to the guy’s back yard. So being a little sluggish should not have surprised anyone either given Paulies overall speed and time at the weight.

Remember Floyd/Castillo 1? There was similar talk and that was Floyd jumping one weight class and fighting the champion at his house not Castillo's. A less then stellar performance by the Oscar replacement. Then the second fight happened. Point is Broner has barely gotten his feet wet. He's just so annoying that it feels like he's been around for ten years.

@Rantcatrat talked about the possibility of Broner getting to much credit after he smashed Paulie and well whats happened here is the polar opposite. He now gets no credit because he struggled a bit and every reason for that struggling is simply dismissed out of hand by what appears to be his legion of haters across the boxing inter-web. I simply do not take to much from this fight pro or con. He's got an odd style and the tools with acknowledged weaknesses that given the wrong opponent could cause him grief and Paulie showed in spurts but that's only part of the puzzle.

For the record on these seven hypothetical fights. That’s if he stays at 147. I presume Rios will stay there after Manny.

Khan-Stands to straight up and goes straight back and generally fights to stupid in order to have a shot never mind what appears to be a screen door for a chin.
JMM- Broner most likely has a good shot at this point. The timing of Marquez is probably about to begin a slide and that could prove disastrous in this fight and generally for Marquez as a counter puncher. Quite possibly a cure for insomnia.
Bradley- Tims a solid fighter but his rinse and repeat style and come forward plod would be like a turkey shoot for Broner. The amount of sweat being knocked off Timmy's face from contact would have the ringside fans thinking they were at sea world.
Maidana- Ditto
Rios- Ditto
Guerrero- I think Guerreros style and rough housing tactics give Broner problems. He’s not just some walk in and land the bomb type guy. He can mix it up.I'd bet on Broner again on an ugly points win fight.
Alexander-Tough fight. I think Alexander has all the tools to match Broner and might get him going side to side and out from behind that shoulder.

Ps @Vendettos. I'm not sure how you call that fight close or how two of the judges did unless they factored in all the fouls being called in from the announcers some real and some made up. You don't get points for shadow boxing either and hitting air or hitting the arms or shoulders no matter how effective it was for the likes of Marciano.

No more Bronerisms from me until a fight is official.