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Tua will probably get stopped and a wake up call that he hasn't tried hard enough in his career. Ustinov is a huge man and has power.
From what I've read, Tua is in very good shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
And I don't see anyone stopping Tua, he's solid.
So was Hatton...Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosFrom what I've read, Tua is in very good shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
And I don't see anyone stopping Tua, he's solid.
Barrett put him down;)
That's not stopping him is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSo was Hatton...Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosFrom what I've read, Tua is in very good shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
And I don't see anyone stopping Tua, he's solid.
Barrett put him down;)
Barrett ended the fight worse with a badly broken jaw.
the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
Yep. However Tua has scarcely been in a bad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
I still think Vitali Haye should be his big fight before retirement.
thats true but you can see from the barrett fights he is a long way past his best, any decent hw with any hope of a title fight would beat barrett even when barrett was at his very bestQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYep. However Tua has scarcely been in a bad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
I still think Vitali Haye should be his big fight before retirement.
vitali will never fight haye
I agree, it's very unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44thats true but you can see from the barrett fights he is a long way past his best, any decent hw with any hope of a title fight would beat barrett even when barrett was at his very bestQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYep. However Tua has scarcely been in a bad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
I still think Vitali Haye should be his big fight before retirement.
vitali will never fight haye
I dont get it, after Hayes dismal, boring performance v Wladamir, why would anyone even be interested? It would be more of the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI agree, it's very unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44thats true but you can see from the barrett fights he is a long way past his best, any decent hw with any hope of a title fight would beat barrett even when barrett was at his very bestQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYep. However Tua has scarcely been in a bad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
I still think Vitali Haye should be his big fight before retirement.
vitali will never fight haye
Its not like he beat, hurt or showed promise against Wlad and Vitali wants revenge, like against Sanders, or Peter (who was holding a title) and its not like he has done a great deal to deserve a shot since.
And Francesco Pianeta has done enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI dont get it, after Hayes dismal, boring performance v Wladamir, why would anyone even be interested? It would be more of the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI agree, it's very unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44thats true but you can see from the barrett fights he is a long way past his best, any decent hw with any hope of a title fight would beat barrett even when barrett was at his very bestQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYep. However Tua has scarcely been in a bad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
I still think Vitali Haye should be his big fight before retirement.
vitali will never fight haye
Its not like he beat, hurt or showed promise against Wlad and Vitali wants revenge, like against Sanders, or Peter (who was holding a title) and its not like he has done a great deal to deserve a shot since.
you are one of the most vocal (textual) posters about haye in a negative wayQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI dont get it, after Hayes dismal, boring performance v Wladamir, why would anyone even be interested? It would be more of the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI agree, it's very unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44thats true but you can see from the barrett fights he is a long way past his best, any decent hw with any hope of a title fight would beat barrett even when barrett was at his very bestQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYep. However Tua has scarcely been in a bad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
I still think Vitali Haye should be his big fight before retirement.
vitali will never fight haye
Its not like he beat, hurt or showed promise against Wlad and Vitali wants revenge, like against Sanders, or Peter (who was holding a title) and its not like he has done a great deal to deserve a shot since.
it is clear you dont like him
the rest of the world would like to see him fight vitali and even wlad again (excluding lyle)
and vitali has been very vocal about haye since wlad, making several promises
Why would he? He's 40-something and retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Because Haye is still a very sellable product. Get it signed and let Haye's gob do the rest, it still makes financial sense. My toe was hurt against Wlad, but this time....Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI dont get it, after Hayes dismal, boring performance v Wladamir, why would anyone even be interested? It would be more of the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI agree, it's very unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44thats true but you can see from the barrett fights he is a long way past his best, any decent hw with any hope of a title fight would beat barrett even when barrett was at his very bestQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYep. However Tua has scarcely been in a bad fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44the thing that jumps out on that article is the fact Vitali is interested in fighting tuaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
shows what ambition he has left and confirms he will never be in a meaningful fight again
I still think Vitali Haye should be his big fight before retirement.
vitali will never fight haye
Its not like he beat, hurt or showed promise against Wlad and Vitali wants revenge, like against Sanders, or Peter (who was holding a title) and its not like he has done a great deal to deserve a shot since.
Haye might even win! Setting up another fight with Wlad which of course will sell.
he did make a few promises but if he's changed his mind then thats fine :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhy would he? He's 40-something and retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Vitali doesn't want it, Haye stops the slower, less skillful Klitschko, fact is has fought only 1 decent fighter in 10 years.
Since the Lewis fight (hugely declined Lewis) he's fought only Shannon Briggs that I'd say had a chance and he destroyed him.
Fact is, he's never fought anyone as quick as Haye is, and his lack of fights against talented fighters like Haye leads me to believe that Haye probably stops the 41 year old.
The klitschkos are transparent, you can see what they do, Haye chased Wlad for 2 years and he only accepted when Haye got a title.
Then Vitali offered him a shot for almost 0 money, when he knew clearly that Haye was going to fight Chisora for the grudge match and a good pay.
Then Klitschko says ok beat Chisora and I will fight you, hoping Haye goes through a war or even loses to Chisora.
Then Haye blasts Chisora out of there, a guy that gave the 41 year old Klitschko some problems and also noting that Chisora is one of the few fighters Klitschko couldn't stop, so Vitali thinks "fuck that" and starts saying "I offered him the fight, he fought Chisora instead".
Haye stops Vitali inside 6.
Come on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
I used to think that vitali's second time and champ has been quite impressive, a lot more impressive than people make out anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
I just read your post where you have listed the 4 best people he has beaten and I have changed my mind
Doesnt change the fact they were the best available at the time though does it. He hasnt avoided anyone other than his brother. Those names were either belt holders or undefeated. They were the most dangerous available opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I used to think that vitali's second time and champ has been quite impressive, a lot more impressive than people make out anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
I just read your post where you have listed the 4 best people he has beaten and I have changed my mind
yes youre rightQuote:
Originally Posted by rossDoesnt change the fact they were the best available at the time though does it. He hasnt avoided anyone other than his brother. Those names were either belt holders or undefeated. They were the most dangerous available opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I used to think that vitali's second time and champ has been quite impressive, a lot more impressive than people make out anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
I just read your post where you have listed the 4 best people he has beaten and I have changed my mind
there are a few fighters around now who are a threat and a much better challenge than he has had before, yet he has chosen to name tua as a posible opponent?
good luck to him if all he wants is one more easy fight, lets hope he hangs up his gloves after that tho so we see some of the ambitious boxers fight it out
Out of interest, who do you rank as the top 5 most ambitious heavyweights in the world over the last 12 months?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yes youre rightQuote:
Originally Posted by rossDoesnt change the fact they were the best available at the time though does it. He hasnt avoided anyone other than his brother. Those names were either belt holders or undefeated. They were the most dangerous available opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I used to think that vitali's second time and champ has been quite impressive, a lot more impressive than people make out anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
I just read your post where you have listed the 4 best people he has beaten and I have changed my mind
there are a few fighters around now who are a threat and a much better challenge than he has had before, yet he has chosen to name tua as a posible opponent?
good luck to him if all he wants is one more easy fight, lets hope he hangs up his gloves after that tho so we see some of the ambitious boxers fight it out
perhaps for another threadQuote:
Originally Posted by rossOut of interest, who do you rank as the top 5 most ambitious heavyweights in the world over the last 12 months?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yes youre rightQuote:
Originally Posted by rossDoesnt change the fact they were the best available at the time though does it. He hasnt avoided anyone other than his brother. Those names were either belt holders or undefeated. They were the most dangerous available opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I used to think that vitali's second time and champ has been quite impressive, a lot more impressive than people make out anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
I just read your post where you have listed the 4 best people he has beaten and I have changed my mind
there are a few fighters around now who are a threat and a much better challenge than he has had before, yet he has chosen to name tua as a posible opponent?
good luck to him if all he wants is one more easy fight, lets hope he hangs up his gloves after that tho so we see some of the ambitious boxers fight it out
i wouldnt rank david tua with that description tho, neither would i rank him with any kind of challenge to any "top" heavyweight
would you?
Sometimes I think the huge profile ko vs Ruiz was a jinx on Tua. He just never really developed past loading up for the one big shot. Ustinov is a behemoth and I'm not sure it's a smart move for a 40 yr old Tua who's chin is showing cracks to try to retrieve his glory by standing in there.
Again with the Haye vs Vitali fight :rolleyes: .....Vitali offered to fight Haye and Haye chose to fight Valuev. Haye could fight Vitali but he'd still lose, Haye's chickenshit performance vs Wladimir tells you all you need to know about how Haye will fair vs any heavyweight who can punch.
Haye will fight Tyson Fury then he'll do what he always does run his stupid fucking mouth, both of them will.
As for Tua of course older heavies will try to come back to get one more title shot, it always happens, I don't know why people are so surprised. I wouldn't be shocked if Sam Peter at some point comes back or Valuev or Ruiz....it's just boxing. If Tua wins and wins a fight vs a top contender he'll more than likely get a title shot, but that's a lot of IF's for a guy that old and with that style.
Ok;)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44perhaps for another threadQuote:
Originally Posted by rossOut of interest, who do you rank as the top 5 most ambitious heavyweights in the world over the last 12 months?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yes youre rightQuote:
Originally Posted by rossDoesnt change the fact they were the best available at the time though does it. He hasnt avoided anyone other than his brother. Those names were either belt holders or undefeated. They were the most dangerous available opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I used to think that vitali's second time and champ has been quite impressive, a lot more impressive than people make out anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
I just read your post where you have listed the 4 best people he has beaten and I have changed my mind
there are a few fighters around now who are a threat and a much better challenge than he has had before, yet he has chosen to name tua as a posible opponent?
good luck to him if all he wants is one more easy fight, lets hope he hangs up his gloves after that tho so we see some of the ambitious boxers fight it out
i wouldnt rank david tua with that description tho, neither would i rank him with any kind of challenge to any "top" heavyweight
would you?
Sanders was past itQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
Peter folded when he came to big fights
Arreola would have been better if he was in shape
SOLIS? Are you high? He faked a god damn injury after he was hit by the slightest punch.
The solis fight was fairly recent, how is he the best available?
Briggs is almost the same height and he can bang, and he was active, not against the highest quality but he had 5 fight in 10 months, including Vitali.
He knocked out the other 4 in the first round.
And just generally he has always been dangerous +a former world champion.
Sanders was coming off absolutely obliterating Wlad and was suddenly the most dangerous fighter in the world. Vitali was his very next fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosSanders was past itQuote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
Peter folded when he came to big fights
Arreola would have been better if he was in shape
SOLIS? Are you high? He faked a god damn injury after he was hit by the slightest punch.
The solis fight was fairly recent, how is he the best available?
Briggs is almost the same height and he can bang, and he was active, not against the highest quality but he had 5 fight in 10 months, including Vitali.
He knocked out the other 4 in the first round.
And just generally he has always been dangerous +a former world champion.
Peter had only been beaten by Wlad but dropped him a couple of times and then went on to win the WBC belt.
Arreolas shape is his own fault but he was looking exciting knocking people out when not many other heavies were and he was undefeated.
Solis had an excellent amateur background, beating Haye along the way. He was skill full and could still go places, again, his training habits aren't Vitalis fault!
you are clutching at strawsQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
No Briggs was no waste of time. He talked the vilest shit about the brothers for YEARS on boxing forums and in interviews and got what he had coming to him: a broken face, two weeks in the hospital, and the end of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossCome on now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Sanders, Peter, Solis, Arreola all had a good chance to upset Vitali. They were the most dangerous guys in the division at the time he fought them. Briggs was a complete waste of time.
How so?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
What time is this fight starting? Stream?
Go Tua!
Well, it's about 11am in New Zealand now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
So this should be on very early tomorrow morning in North America.
Apparently Tua was dominated and lost 11 rounds on the cards. He announced his retirement.
No way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
What a massive surprise that no one saw coming!;D
Maybe Tua and Toney can fight a 12 rounder next. Someones no KO loss must go!
Ustinov is enormous but crap so I thought Tua had a chance. Hoped so anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNo way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
What a massive surprise that no one saw coming!;D
Toney would win, but probably not by ko.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
;D
Not sure if this got posted, but Mackinnon, who fought our fellow kiwi light-heavyweight Berridge had to have brain surgery after their fight. He is recovering well