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Golovkin at super middle?
Now if you read my posts, I'm very critical of fighters with blown up records like Wilder, Broner and Golovkin.
However Golovkin stepped up to a higher class last night and he really impressed me.
He looks sharp and accurate and to be brutally honest, I don't see anyone in the division stopping him, even Martinez.
The first thing the commentators said after his win was, should he move up to super middle? And I think he should.
He'd have even more power and its a division that is already very exciting and it's a debate between the 147 (or 152 currently with Mayweather / Canelo) and super middle for which is the best division.
Anybody else think the step up would make for some proper good match ups?
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I don't think Martinez would have beaten him prime for prime , let alone now.
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I don't think Martinez would have beaten him prime for prime , let alone now.
Agreed, Martinez should retire, retire now and avoid losing at the late stage.
He wants none of Golovkin.
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Vendettos
Now if you read my posts, I'm very critical of fighters with blown up records like Wilder, Broner and Golovkin.
However Golovkin stepped up to a higher class last night and he really impressed me.
He looks sharp and accurate and to be brutally honest, I don't see anyone in the division stopping him, even Martinez.
The first thing the commentators said after his win was, should he move up to super middle? And I think he should.
He'd have even more power and its a division that is already very exciting and it's a debate between the 147 (or 152 currently with Mayweather / Canelo) and super middle for which is the best division.
Anybody else think the step up would make for some proper good match ups?
Golovkin didn't "step up", he was fighting a over-hyped fighter who is/was breakable.
Saying Golovkin stepped up against Macklin is like saying Broner stepped up against Gavin Rees.
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Vendettos
Now if you read my posts, I'm very critical of fighters with blown up records like Wilder, Broner and Golovkin.
However Golovkin stepped up to a higher class last night and he really impressed me.
He looks sharp and accurate and to be brutally honest, I don't see anyone in the division stopping him, even Martinez.
The first thing the commentators said after his win was, should he move up to super middle? And I think he should.
He'd have even more power and its a division that is already very exciting and it's a debate between the 147 (or 152 currently with Mayweather / Canelo) and super middle for which is the best division.
Anybody else think the step up would make for some proper good match ups?
Golovkin didn't "step up", he was fighting a over-hyped fighter who is/was breakable.
Saying Golovkin stepped up against Macklin is like saying Broner stepped up against Gavin Rees.
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My god you are clueless.
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I dont know what GGG should do. I feel sorry for him. No one will want to fight him.
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I agree 100%, if he can't fight Martinez (which i guess he can't due to Martinez's time off), he should step up to 168 and take a few fights there before a Martinez showdown... because there really isn't any intriguing matchups for him at 160.
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I agree 100%, if he can't fight Martinez (which i guess he can't due to Martinez's time off), he should step up to 168 and take a few fights there before a Martinez showdown... because there really isn't any intriguing matchups for him at 160.
I dont see a point of a Martinez match. You can clearly see Martinez is on the decline from his last couple of fights. GGG beating him doesnt prove much to me. Id like to see him in the SMW mix but feel he would struggle against a guy like Ward who knows how to use his size as an advantage.
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He should just clean ut 160, going up to 168 is career suicide for him, simpky uz he will never beat ward, I would like to see him mix it up with canelo an chavez
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Macklin was a hype job... I wouldn't put any stock in that. If Golovkin had stopped Froch or even Bute (which he probably could have stopped Bute at middle or super middle, at least) then you would have impressed me.
The only thing with this Macklin fight for Golovkin was to compare it to the Martinez fight. If Martinez takes this Golovkin challenge that's brewing, he WILL lose and he will retire shortly afterwards.
A lot of people were shocked that Martinez took the Chavez fight, and did WELL in it too. Well, did well up until the last round- but he surprised me.
But then again, perhaps we had Chavez up too high- higher than he was supposed to have been?
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ykdadamaja
Macklin was a hype job... I wouldn't put any stock in that. If Golovkin had stopped Froch or even Bute (which he probably could have stopped Bute at middle or super middle, at least) then you would have impressed me.
The only thing with this Macklin fight for Golovkin was to compare it to the Martinez fight. If Martinez takes this Golovkin challenge that's brewing, he WILL lose and he will retire shortly afterwards.
A lot of people were shocked that Martinez took the Chavez fight, and did WELL in it too. Well, did well up until the last round- but he surprised me.
But then again, perhaps we had Chavez up too high- higher than he was supposed to have been?
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Lucky for Golovkin hes not tryinmg to impress you. Martinez was favorite to beat Chavez and most people, including me, thought he would do so comfortably. If Golovkin fights Martinez he will be a good fav with the bookies too and will most likely stop Martinez but given Martinez' latest performances I dont see how that would be any more impressive then stopping Macklin.
Your opinion of fighters is poor, your predictions of how fights will go are poor and your overall judgment of boxing is poor. You need to learn a lot more about the game before questioning fighters abilities.
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I agree 100%, if he can't fight Martinez (which i guess he can't due to Martinez's time off), he should step up to 168 and take a few fights there before a Martinez showdown... because there really isn't any intriguing matchups for him at 160.
I dont see a point of a Martinez match. You can clearly see Martinez is on the decline from his last couple of fights. GGG beating him doesnt prove much to me. Id like to see him in the SMW mix but feel he would struggle against a guy like Ward who knows how to use his size as an advantage.
Well decline or not, he's still the undisputed champion of GGG's division and ranked high in the p4p rankings.
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GGG fans are acting like Macklin was a prime ATG, he was a very good win but let's not act like he beat Martinez, Quillin or Chavez. Proska got Friday so you can say GGG has 2 good wins at 31. GGG would not beat prime Martinez, Martinez was stripped of 3 world titles in 10,months that's how feared he was, GGG don't got shit on what Martinez did and never will. Quillin still has the better wins than hype job GGG. Let him stay and not pretend he's cleared out 160 after 2 good wins
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ykdadamaja
Macklin was a hype job... I wouldn't put any stock in that. If Golovkin had stopped Froch or even Bute (which he probably could have stopped Bute at middle or super middle, at least) then you would have impressed me.
The only thing with this Macklin fight for Golovkin was to compare it to the Martinez fight. If Martinez takes this Golovkin challenge that's brewing, he WILL lose and he will retire shortly afterwards.
A lot of people were shocked that Martinez took the Chavez fight, and did WELL in it too. Well, did well up until the last round- but he surprised me.
But then again, perhaps we had Chavez up too high- higher than he was supposed to have been?
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Lucky for Golovkin hes not tryinmg to impress you. Martinez was favorite to beat Chavez and most people, including me, thought he would do so comfortably. If Golovkin fights Martinez he will be a good fav with the bookies too and will most likely stop Martinez but given Martinez' latest performances I dont see how that would be any more impressive then stopping Macklin.
Your opinion of fighters is poor, your predictions of how fights will go are poor and your overall judgment of boxing is poor. You need to learn a lot more about the game before questioning fighters abilities.
You GGG fans absolutely love him his resume isn't great for a 31 year old
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He looks incredible. Thats why I like him and think he is unstopable. Of course Martinez has a better resume but I dont think GGG loses to anyone he beat. Quillin ends up completely iced if he gets in the ring with GGG.
I didnt think Macklin would win but the way you clueless fools disregard Macklin is a joke. He is a good, very tough fighter. GGG beat him as if he was nothing.
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Silkeyjoe
He looks incredible. Thats why I like him and think he is unstopable. Of course Martinez has a better resume but I dont think GGG loses to anyone he beat. Quillin ends up completely iced if he gets in the ring with GGG.
I didnt think Macklin would win but the way you clueless fools disregard Macklin is a joke. He is a good, very tough fighter. GGG beat him as if he was nothing.
I think you are the clueless fool, you only like GGG for one reason.
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I would rather him stay at 160, fight the other trinket holders and wait for Sergio Martinez to get healthy. Hes not huge for 160 at all Imo despite enormous power. I'm a fan of guys fighting at their best weight and 160 is clearly his best weight right now. Him versus Ward or anyone else at 168 just feels forced. He isn't going back to the gym until September so there is time for fight Geale, Quillin and Martinez before any talk of moving up can begin.
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I would rather him stay at 160, fight the other trinket holders and wait for Sergio Martinez to get healthy. Hes not huge for 160 at all Imo despite enormous power. I'm a fan of guys fighting at their best weight and 160 is clearly his best weight right now. Him versus Ward or anyone else at 168 just feels forced. He isn't going back to the gym until September so there is time for fight Geale, Quillin and Martinez before any talk of moving up can begin.
Yes but will they fight him? He aint gonna be any of these guys mandatorys so is gonna have to pay big to fight these guys. None of the fights would be a big PPV draw so dont see them happening.
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Macklin was a hype job... I wouldn't put any stock in that. If Golovkin had stopped Froch or even Bute (which he probably could have stopped Bute at middle or super middle, at least) then you would have impressed me.
The only thing with this Macklin fight for Golovkin was to compare it to the Martinez fight. If Martinez takes this Golovkin challenge that's brewing, he WILL lose and he will retire shortly afterwards.
A lot of people were shocked that Martinez took the Chavez fight, and did WELL in it too. Well, did well up until the last round- but he surprised me.
But then again, perhaps we had Chavez up too high- higher than he was supposed to have been?
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Lucky for Golovkin hes not tryinmg to impress you. Martinez was favorite to beat Chavez and most people, including me, thought he would do so comfortably. If Golovkin fights Martinez he will be a good fav with the bookies too and will most likely stop Martinez but given Martinez' latest performances I dont see how that would be any more impressive then stopping Macklin.
Your opinion of fighters is poor, your predictions of how fights will go are poor and your overall judgment of boxing is poor. You need to learn a lot more about the game before questioning fighters abilities.
You GGG fans absolutely love him his resume isn't great for a 31 year old
What did Martinez resume look like at 31? Anyways, Sergio is old and broken, his body is completely failing him. We won't see him in the ring for the rest of 2013 anyways and his own promoter has just come out and said he won't put him in with Golovkin even when he does return. This means Golovkin is the man at 160.
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Sign me up for Froch/Golovkin. I'll pay for that at the full PPV. Give me that being signed/negotiated for boxing fans' Christmas present. That fight will answer all questions and maybe some questions not dared asked.
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Golovkin may be strong in this weight but it wont transfer as easily as some seem to think if he moves up. His power will be the same, it wont increase, the difference will be even stronger fighters that will be able to take that power. Just like Abraham moving up. Take that strength advantage away and he's not left with much else. Froch would bully Golovkin.
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Abraham couldn't fight worth a shit in the first place, that's hardly the end all example of a hard puncher moving up in weight. Now obviously it's possible Golovkin wouldn't be nearly as effective at 168, and I don't think he should try just yet. He's not even a big middleweight. Would give him a great chance against Froch myself though.
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I don't get some of the hate for Golovkin. He obviously loves to fight, will fight whoever they put in front of him, hasn't been accused of ducking anybody (on the contrary... fighters will now be ducking him), and is an exciting fighter. Yes... it might be too early to annoint him ATG just yet... but give the guy some time. Hopefully, he will get opponents who will put up a better fight than Macklin. I don't think Martinez, a great fighter but on the decline, will want any part of Golovkin. Golovkin should stay at middle for awhile and fight whoever will fight him. It's anybody's guess how he'd do at 168. Like someone said, he's not a big middleweight, and that might not translate well at 168. But any guesses are just that... guesses.
For my money, I'd love to see him in there against a Chavez Jr., without the diuretics and 30-pound post weigh-in bloating. That would be the closest thing to manslaughter you'd ever see in the ring.
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Well it would appear this Onetime poster is a new addition,with an agenda to convince everyone that is in fact racism which has thrust Golovkin to such heights:rolleyes:
There there is Ross:rolleyes:
And there you basically have the hate for Golovkin.
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p4pking
Well it would appear this Onetime poster is a new addition,with an agenda to convince everyone that is in fact racism which has thrust Golovkin to such heights:rolleyes:
There there is Ross:rolleyes:
And there you basically have the hate for Golovkin.
Dont be a dick...
Im not "hating" on Golovkin.
He is a middle weight for a reason, hes not a super middle. Another example of a big, strong, hard punching middle who did nothing above middle? Pavlik? McClellan?
Or lower weights, Hatton.
When they move up in weight, their opponents are more resilliant. Its just a fact. When its the strength of their punch and not the sharpness like a Mayweather or Duran then their punches wont have the same effect or bring them the same results.
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No, he should forget about that right now. He beat Macklin, thats a solid step...but come on. He needs to be punched in the mouth vs a perceived threat or like contender at middle first! The slickest guy, honestly, who he beat was Rosado and that was mostly self preservation punching from the backseat by Gabriel who's first instinct is to trade. Not a guy who baits traps and isn't afraid to piss off a crowd style wise. Save all that Proksa showing signs of Martinez style stuff. You don't get to just toss proven champions in the garbage on the grounds of being 'old' today. How Martinez gets shit on as a near cripple afterthought is comical, and no the Chavez fight wasn't close, and yes real Champions get punched in the teeth, scuffed up and come back! Lets see how it plays out...hopefully Golovkin will get his shot at scalping THE champion but there are other guys there also so no need to add to the list of division jumping just to get a push.
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Who else is out there though? Quillin?
I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.
Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.
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The thing is before we jump on the Golovkin train and want him to move up lets see him tested against real opposition at 160, someone who has size and a good punch, I think Chavez is the go to guy for him to fight next but for some reason that fight is not really being talked about.
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ykdadamaja
Macklin was a hype job... I wouldn't put any stock in that. If Golovkin had stopped Froch or even Bute (which he probably could have stopped Bute at middle or super middle, at least) then you would have impressed me.
The only thing with this Macklin fight for Golovkin was to compare it to the Martinez fight. If Martinez takes this Golovkin challenge that's brewing, he WILL lose and he will retire shortly afterwards.
A lot of people were shocked that Martinez took the Chavez fight, and did WELL in it too. Well, did well up until the last round- but he surprised me.
But then again, perhaps we had Chavez up too high- higher than he was supposed to have been?
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Lucky for Golovkin hes not tryinmg to impress you. Martinez was favorite to beat Chavez and most people, including me, thought he would do so comfortably. If Golovkin fights Martinez he will be a good fav with the bookies too and will most likely stop Martinez but given Martinez' latest performances I dont see how that would be any more impressive then stopping Macklin.
Your opinion of fighters is poor, your predictions of how fights will go are poor and your overall judgment of boxing is poor. You need to learn a lot more about the game before questioning fighters abilities.
GTMF out of here. I have not made a prediction on a fight in God knows when... Macklin is what he is- a hyped of scrub. He was going to be blasted by Golovkin, and we all know it. STFU!!!
I have also said Golovkin is the real deal- made a post about it to. So I don't know WTMF you're on.
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Who else is out there though? Quillin?
I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.
Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.
I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.
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ykdadamaja
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ykdadamaja
Macklin was a hype job... I wouldn't put any stock in that. If Golovkin had stopped Froch or even Bute (which he probably could have stopped Bute at middle or super middle, at least) then you would have impressed me.
The only thing with this Macklin fight for Golovkin was to compare it to the Martinez fight. If Martinez takes this Golovkin challenge that's brewing, he WILL lose and he will retire shortly afterwards.
A lot of people were shocked that Martinez took the Chavez fight, and did WELL in it too. Well, did well up until the last round- but he surprised me.
But then again, perhaps we had Chavez up too high- higher than he was supposed to have been?
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Lucky for Golovkin hes not tryinmg to impress you. Martinez was favorite to beat Chavez and most people, including me, thought he would do so comfortably. If Golovkin fights Martinez he will be a good fav with the bookies too and will most likely stop Martinez but given Martinez' latest performances I dont see how that would be any more impressive then stopping Macklin.
Your opinion of fighters is poor, your predictions of how fights will go are poor and your overall judgment of boxing is poor. You need to learn a lot more about the game before questioning fighters abilities.
GTMF out of here. I have not made a prediction on a fight in God knows when... Macklin is what he is- a hyped of scrub. He was going to be blasted by Golovkin, and we all know it. STFU!!!
I have also said Golovkin is the real deal- made a post about it to. So I don't know WTMF you're on.
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Your post is retarded. If he knocked out Froch or Bute that would have impressed you. Moron. He knocked out Bute in amateurs. He is not in the same weight division. So to impress you you have to jump up in weight and KO the top guys in the division.
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I don't think GGG needs to step up to 168, until he can't make 160 safely. Allegedly, he comes to camp weighing 167, which means getting to 160 should be no problem for him. If the other middleweight continue to duck him, he'll have to look elsewhere, but let's wait to see if that happens. I am of the opinion that HBO made the Geale-Barker August fight for the purpose of supplying a challenger to the Golovkin/Macklin winner, especially considering that Martinez is out until Spring 2014. Also, Junior is facing Vera in September. Once he beats Vera, he's a viable opponent for GGG.
If I'm Golovkin, I wait to see if I can fight the winner of Geale/Barker or Junior/Vera, before I considering moving up in weight to face the top super middleweights. There's nothing wrong with dominating a division.
The odd man left out in the division is Kid Chocolate. Quillin hasn't had any significant wins at 160, other than against N'Jikam, who thoroughly outboxed him for much of the fight. I suspect Kid Chocolate will face Rosado next.
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Who else is out there though? Quillin?
I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.
Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.
I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams
and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for
Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.
With that. He's a compliment to the sport in a time of loud mouth puffed up divas collecting trinkets. His style isn't for everyone but I'd rather a guy come professional, work his ass off and save his cockiness for the ring and back it up. He and Golovkin are at that point this sport has been paved with and a crossroads meet can only be expected, personally I'd like to see it come off. Physically Golovkin might make him feel every month of his age in his legs but I guarantee damn tee you Martinez won't just lay down and hand over what he's labored to earn and style wise show Golovkin some serious new suprises. If not Martinez, give me Quillin. I like that one!
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Who else is out there though? Quillin?
I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.
Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.
I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.
He drew with Williams the first time around, and Paul was still really a super welterweight himself and stupidly easy to hit. Pavlik was coming off the HOpkins drupping and still gave Martinez a competitive fight, and those two scalps are about all Martinez needed to be regarded as a dominant champion in the eyes of many, I just never saw it. He didn't really do anything early in his career. I liked watching Sergio, very good athlete no question, but without his legs I don't think he's even a threat to Golovkin myself.
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In my opinion, if anyone has been overrated its Kid Choc. Seems like a nice dude, but he hasn't done much at middleweight.
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Who else is out there though? Quillin?
I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.
Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.
I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.
He drew with Williams the first time around, and Paul was still really a super welterweight himself and stupidly easy to hit. Pavlik was coming off the HOpkins drupping and still gave Martinez a competitive fight, and those two scalps are about all Martinez needed to be regarded as a dominant champion in the eyes of many, I just never saw it. He didn't really do anything early in his career. I liked watching Sergio, very good athlete no question, but without his legs I don't think he's even a threat to Golovkin myself.
Frankly, it's all personal opinion, an argument can be made that he effectively cleaned out the division. Prior to the win over Macklin, as many have mentioned, Golovkin hadn't done much in the division. Before that, Martinez beat all of the British guys (Barker, Macklin, Murray) whom were all ranked in the top ten on most lists when he faced them. He also beat the biggest cash cow in the division in Junior, who was also top 5 in the division, and he beat the lineal champion at middleweight in Pavlik. After Hopkins beat Pavlik at 170 no less, Pavlik beat Rubio, who later beat Lemiuex. So, I would argue that Pavlik wasn't finished when he faced Martinez. When Martinez faced Paul Williams, no one wanted a piece of the Punisher. With 20/20 hindsight, it's easy to say he was easy to hit, but at the time, no one wanted to face him, Mayweather included. Also, Martinez himself started his career at welterweight, and in my opinion, was a small middleweight in his prime, even if now he has grown into it.
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Macklin was a hype job... I wouldn't put any stock in that. If Golovkin had stopped Froch or even Bute (which he probably could have stopped Bute at middle or super middle, at least) then you would have impressed me.
The only thing with this Macklin fight for Golovkin was to compare it to the Martinez fight. If Martinez takes this Golovkin challenge that's brewing, he WILL lose and he will retire shortly afterwards.
A lot of people were shocked that Martinez took the Chavez fight, and did WELL in it too. Well, did well up until the last round- but he surprised me.
But then again, perhaps we had Chavez up too high- higher than he was supposed to have been?
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Lucky for Golovkin hes not tryinmg to impress you. Martinez was favorite to beat Chavez and most people, including me, thought he would do so comfortably. If Golovkin fights Martinez he will be a good fav with the bookies too and will most likely stop Martinez but given Martinez' latest performances I dont see how that would be any more impressive then stopping Macklin.
Your opinion of fighters is poor, your predictions of how fights will go are poor and your overall judgment of boxing is poor. You need to learn a lot more about the game before questioning fighters abilities.
GTMF out of here. I have not made a prediction on a fight in God knows when... Macklin is what he is- a hyped of scrub. He was going to be blasted by Golovkin, and we all know it. STFU!!!
I have also said Golovkin is the real deal- made a post about it to. So I don't know WTMF you're on.
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Your post is retarded. If he knocked out Froch or Bute that would have impressed you. Moron. He knocked out Bute in amateurs. He is not in the same weight division. So to impress you you have to jump up in weight and KO the top guys in the division.
Dude... don't be a Sam dass... fighters move up in weight all the time. He will most likely move up in weight to do exactly what fighters do- make fights.
And, you are over-stating how I said Golovkin fighting those guys at that weight or a catch weight meant would "impress" me. It was not meant to infer that I would have been impressed to the point that I am not already impressed, which I am. You over-thought the word impressed... which is fine.
I have said, and will continue to say, Golovkin is the real deal and I think he is a great champion. Secondly, Macklin is a hype job. A tin can. Similar to how Gavin Reese went up against a somewhat top guy in Broner and the rest is history... I'm not that impressed with that win against Macklin because he was expected to tear him to pieces.
If you wish me to say this: if he fights, MOVES UP (which you make sound as if it has never happened before, ever) and take on stiffer competition at a higher weight if he can, particularly a top guy, then he would have impressed me MORE THAN how he demolished the tin can in Macklin last night.
It was an easy night of work, much like how Broner had easier nights of work with Reese and Malinaggi.
STFU...
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Re: Golovkin at super middle?
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Who else is out there though? Quillin?
I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.
Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.
I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.
He drew with Williams the first time around, and Paul was still really a super welterweight himself and stupidly easy to hit. Pavlik was coming off the HOpkins drupping and still gave Martinez a competitive fight, and those two scalps are about all Martinez needed to be regarded as a dominant champion in the eyes of many, I just never saw it. He didn't really do anything early in his career. I liked watching Sergio, very good athlete no question, but without his legs I don't think he's even a threat to Golovkin myself.
Frankly, it's all personal opinion, an argument can be made that he effectively cleaned out the division. Prior to the win over Macklin, as many have mentioned, Golovkin hadn't done much in the division. Before that, Martinez beat all of the British guys (Barker, Macklin, Murray) whom were all ranked in the top ten on most lists when he faced them. He also beat the biggest cash cow in the division in Junior, who was also top 5 in the division, and he beat the lineal champion at middleweight in Pavlik. After Hopkins beat Pavlik at 170 no less, Pavlik beat Rubio, who later beat Lemiuex. So, I would argue that Pavlik wasn't finished when he faced Martinez. When Martinez faced Paul Williams, no one wanted a piece of the Punisher. With 20/20 hindsight, it's easy to say he was easy to hit, but at the time, no one wanted to face him, Mayweather included. Also, Martinez himself started his career at welterweight, and in my opinion, was a small middleweight in his prime, even if now he has grown into it.
Yup fair points, you can pick anyones record apart in the end. I just never thought Sergio actually had the boxing skills to warrant being rated the way he was for a while, I suppose. He's lucky he didn't run into a really talented middleweight if you ask me. Still maintain that the Junior fight actually counts against him as well, since he was so badly hurt at the end. Jr was, and isn't dick all as a fighter after all imo.
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Re: Golovkin at super middle?
He'll go where the money is, he is the best Middleweight right now but if the others refuse to meet him theres nothing to do but move on! This is prize fighting ($$$$$$) you fight the guys who will add to your bank account theres no reason to fight lesser talents but if the best availble are afraid to risk whatever theres nothing you can do!
The reason Sugar Ray fought Jake 5 times was because no one at that time was interested in fighting them! He's not that small for 168 he's just under 5'11" and has decent reach and walks around at 172lbs! He's probably in great shape at 162 so fight night he could be comfortable at 171-2
if Ward is at 180 fight night 10 pounds means little because Ward isn't hanging around inside all night!
You have to go where the money is, its a job to the fighter! Its a sport to the fans! Ray
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He didn't really do anything early in his career
Oh I don't know. Back in the day he was as partial to smashing lumps off of British light middles who fancied themselves as 'Word class'. No one fancied fighting him back then.
These days stick those two facts together you've got yourself a bona fide bad ass mother fucker who'll destroy anything that's put in front of him.
I think Golovkin should just go straight at Andre Ward. Its quickly becoming apparent that there is nothing else at 160/168 to challenge him.
