Golovkin at super middle?

[p4pking]

Who else is out there though? Quillin?

I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.

Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.

[Boxer4life]

The thing is before we jump on the Golovkin train and want him to move up lets see him tested against real opposition at 160, someone who has size and a good punch, I think Chavez is the go to guy for him to fight next but for some reason that fight is not really being talked about.

[Silkeyjoe]

Who else is out there though? Quillin?

I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.

Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.

I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.

[Spicoli]

Who else is out there though? Quillin?

I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.

Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.

I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams
and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for
Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.

With that. He's a compliment to the sport in a time of loud mouth puffed up divas collecting trinkets. His style isn't for everyone but I'd rather a guy come professional, work his ass off and save his cockiness for the ring and back it up. He and Golovkin are at that point this sport has been paved with and a crossroads meet can only be expected, personally I'd like to see it come off. Physically Golovkin might make him feel every month of his age in his legs but I guarantee damn tee you Martinez won't just lay down and hand over what he's labored to earn and style wise show Golovkin some serious new suprises. If not Martinez, give me Quillin. I like that one!

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Who else is out there though? Quillin?

I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.

Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.

I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.

He drew with Williams the first time around, and Paul was still really a super welterweight himself and stupidly easy to hit. Pavlik was coming off the HOpkins drupping and still gave Martinez a competitive fight, and those two scalps are about all Martinez needed to be regarded as a dominant champion in the eyes of many, I just never saw it. He didn't really do anything early in his career. I liked watching Sergio, very good athlete no question, but without his legs I don't think he's even a threat to Golovkin myself.

[Rantcatrat]

In my opinion, if anyone has been overrated its Kid Choc. Seems like a nice dude, but he hasn't done much at middleweight.

[Spicoli]

In my opinion, if anyone has been overrated its Kid Choc. Seems like a nice dude, but he hasn't done much at middleweight.

I think thats unfair yeh. Its hard to be considered "overrated" when your the 3rd undercard fight up on Danny Garcia and Paulie Malignaggi cards. The guy is obviously improved from 1,2 years ago and has been a champion a total of 8 months, with a single defense vs a guy he was favored against, not terribly different from Golovkin going into his last 3. Like him or not, he's a player and I think hes far from a walking corpse vs Golovkin. Once again, I hope we get that chance to see

[Rantcatrat]

Who else is out there though? Quillin?

I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.

Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.

I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.

He drew with Williams the first time around, and Paul was still really a super welterweight himself and stupidly easy to hit. Pavlik was coming off the HOpkins drupping and still gave Martinez a competitive fight, and those two scalps are about all Martinez needed to be regarded as a dominant champion in the eyes of many, I just never saw it. He didn't really do anything early in his career. I liked watching Sergio, very good athlete no question, but without his legs I don't think he's even a threat to Golovkin myself.

Frankly, it's all personal opinion, an argument can be made that he effectively cleaned out the division. Prior to the win over Macklin, as many have mentioned, Golovkin hadn't done much in the division. Before that, Martinez beat all of the British guys (Barker, Macklin, Murray) whom were all ranked in the top ten on most lists when he faced them. He also beat the biggest cash cow in the division in Junior, who was also top 5 in the division, and he beat the lineal champion at middleweight in Pavlik. After Hopkins beat Pavlik at 170 no less, Pavlik beat Rubio, who later beat Lemiuex. So, I would argue that Pavlik wasn't finished when he faced Martinez. When Martinez faced Paul Williams, no one wanted a piece of the Punisher. With 20/20 hindsight, it's easy to say he was easy to hit, but at the time, no one wanted to face him, Mayweather included. Also, Martinez himself started his career at welterweight, and in my opinion, was a small middleweight in his prime, even if now he has grown into it.

[p4pking]

Who else is out there though? Quillin?

I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.

Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.

I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.

He drew with Williams the first time around, and Paul was still really a super welterweight himself and stupidly easy to hit. Pavlik was coming off the HOpkins drupping and still gave Martinez a competitive fight, and those two scalps are about all Martinez needed to be regarded as a dominant champion in the eyes of many, I just never saw it. He didn't really do anything early in his career. I liked watching Sergio, very good athlete no question, but without his legs I don't think he's even a threat to Golovkin myself.

Frankly, it's all personal opinion, an argument can be made that he effectively cleaned out the division. Prior to the win over Macklin, as many have mentioned, Golovkin hadn't done much in the division. Before that, Martinez beat all of the British guys (Barker, Macklin, Murray) whom were all ranked in the top ten on most lists when he faced them. He also beat the biggest cash cow in the division in Junior, who was also top 5 in the division, and he beat the lineal champion at middleweight in Pavlik. After Hopkins beat Pavlik at 170 no less, Pavlik beat Rubio, who later beat Lemiuex. So, I would argue that Pavlik wasn't finished when he faced Martinez. When Martinez faced Paul Williams, no one wanted a piece of the Punisher. With 20/20 hindsight, it's easy to say he was easy to hit, but at the time, no one wanted to face him, Mayweather included. Also, Martinez himself started his career at welterweight, and in my opinion, was a small middleweight in his prime, even if now he has grown into it.

Yup fair points, you can pick anyones record apart in the end. I just never thought Sergio actually had the boxing skills to warrant being rated the way he was for a while, I suppose. He's lucky he didn't run into a really talented middleweight if you ask me. Still maintain that the Junior fight actually counts against him as well, since he was so badly hurt at the end. Jr was, and isn't dick all as a fighter after all imo.

[Spicoli]

Who else is out there though? Quillin?

I dunno, Martinez just seemedto be falling apart in his last fight, and I've always thought he was overrated to begin with. To me, Golovkin looks a lot better than Sergio ever did.

Again, I think GGG should stay at 160 for a while, but he's a far cry from just a puncher. He doesn't rely on his physicality or fight in spurts, very patient and calculated approach. No reason to start lumping him in with an Arthur Abraham just yet.

I cant agree with Martinez overrated to begin with. He beat very good fighters in Williams and Pavlik at middle where he was the smaller man. He made a show of Chavez who we all know was overrated but is still a good scalp. He also has a very fun style to watch and imo deserves the credit he is getting now as I dont think he got enough credit earlier in his career. His last few fights tho (particularly the Murray fight) he is clearly showing signs of decline and the fact that he is constantly getting injured really shows his age is having an affect. I personally dont want to see him fight GGG because I think it would end badly for Martinez and would much prefer to see him go out on a high rather then a low. If i was him Id fight the winner of Geale v Barker (probably Geale) and if he wins that retire at the top.

He drew with Williams the first time around, and Paul was still really a super welterweight himself and stupidly easy to hit. Pavlik was coming off the HOpkins drupping and still gave Martinez a competitive fight, and those two scalps are about all Martinez needed to be regarded as a dominant champion in the eyes of many, I just never saw it. He didn't really do anything early in his career. I liked watching Sergio, very good athlete no question, but without his legs I don't think he's even a threat to Golovkin myself.

Frankly, it's all personal opinion, an argument can be made that he effectively cleaned out the division. Prior to the win over Macklin, as many have mentioned, Golovkin hadn't done much in the division. Before that, Martinez beat all of the British guys (Barker, Macklin, Murray) whom were all ranked in the top ten on most lists when he faced them. He also beat the biggest cash cow in the division in Junior, who was also top 5 in the division, and he beat the lineal champion at middleweight in Pavlik. After Hopkins beat Pavlik at 170 no less, Pavlik beat Rubio, who later beat Lemiuex. So, I would argue that Pavlik wasn't finished when he faced Martinez. When Martinez faced Paul Williams, no one wanted a piece of the Punisher. With 20/20 hindsight, it's easy to say he was easy to hit, but at the time, no one wanted to face him, Mayweather included. Also, Martinez himself started his career at welterweight, and in my opinion, was a small middleweight in his prime, even if now he has grown into it.

Yup fair points, you can pick anyones record apart in the end. I just never thought Sergio actually had the boxing skills to warrant being rated the way he was for a while, I suppose. He's lucky he didn't run into a really talented middleweight if you ask me. Still maintain that the Junior fight actually counts against him as well, since he was so badly hurt at the end. Jr was, and isn't dick all as a fighter after all imo.

My man, I just don't get that last part at all. Not thinking high of a win based on comp I get, but a win counts -against- him because a guy gets hurt, survives, and actually ends the round battling back Crack is whack! Chavez may be a spoiled kid who snuck out wearing his fathers suit that was three sizes too big...but he has arguably come in at lt hvy in last couple of fights, bigger, stronger and if anything can bang. Martinez took it all and banged him back and clowned him. I mean come on. I think its a stretch.

[p4pking]

Can't refute that, obviously saying it counts against him was stupid when I read it back. I just don't think it lends any creedence to his being regarded as a top fighter, Junior really was appaling for most of that scrap. If you look for it Sergio actually loses his legs in a big way a round or two before he gets into trouble there, and that's after being able to pretty well coast and work at his own pace up to the point. If he can't hold up 12 rounds fighting a heavy bag, I can't see him dealing with a serious puncher who has better skills than he does.

[Memphis]

He didn't really do anything early in his career

Oh I don't know. Back in the day he was as partial to smashing lumps off of British light middles who fancied themselves as 'Word class'. No one fancied fighting him back then.

These days stick those two facts together you've got yourself a bona fide bad ass mother fucker who'll destroy anything that's put in front of him.

I think Golovkin should just go straight at Andre Ward. Its quickly becoming apparent that there is nothing else at 160/168 to challenge him.