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Let's say Haye knocks out Fury, and then fights Vitali in 2014. How do you see this fight going? Can Vitali still beat him, or has he slowed down enough that Haye wins?
Bonus question: How would Vitali react to a Haye overhand right?
I think it would be Vitali's toughest fight in years.
I dont see it being a tough fight at all. Would go very similarly to the Wlad fight. Hell the decision Haye got against Valuev was close. If the fight goes anything like that Haye aint getting a decision.
When you throw in the age factor, ANY fight that Vitali has in 2014 will be his toughest fight in years.
I keep hearing about this beast of a fighter that David Haye is and that guy hasn't shown up at heavyweight. I do not at all doubt or diminish his credentials at cruiserweight, and I know that he held a belt, but the most noteable thing that he's done since being in the division is this:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...e_1385525c.jpg
First off, wont happen and secondly Vitali would have an easier time with Haye than Wlad did, just like he did with Sanders and Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Vitali has looked poor in his last few fights coupled with his age and inactivity David has a good chance of winning. I think Vitali can take Hayes right hand as his chin is solid.
Win lose or draw vs Fury, Haye-Vitali isn't going to happen. Vitali will retire after he fights Stiverne, if he even ends up doing that.
Its not even worth thinking about really. Haye's value is nothing when it comes to fighting a Klitschko given his last performance vs one. Haye had PLENTY of shots to fight Vitali and he took a pass......gee I wonder why :scratchchin:
I think it would be an easy points decision for Vitali, although I doubt its a fight that will ever happen
Someone should stick up for 'ol David Haye, so I guess it's going to be me. :p
Haye remains the only one to have KO'd Chisora... something neither Vitali nor Fury could do.
Haye handed Audley an early KO before it was the in thing to do. ;)
Haye did not get KO'd by Wlad nor did he even get badly damaged as is usually the case when someone fights Wlad.
Vitali hasn't been looking so hot lately. Haye takes him in his advanced age. :cool:
Fury fought the undefeated Chisora, Vitali may have taken something out of Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Sprott put Harrison proper to sleep 3 years before Haye did it. He was limp before he landed face first in the canvas. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NmjzFTJMjzo
Haye didnt get KO'd by Wlad because he didnt try to win. He had said it before how he expected to have a Sanders type result. He just doesnt have that gung ho style. Hes too carefull because hes well aware of his chin.
I don't know if it's that Haye is too aware of his chin or that the man simply doesn't know how to beat somebody he can't either surprise or use his athletic ability to beat. Haye is a very good athlete but as a pure boxer...he just doesn't have the tools to make his power and quick hands work for him. He fell in love with his power and it has limited his ability to do real work in the ring. Now he's not an outright bum, I'm just saying when matched up vs a guy who can steer clear of danger for 12 rounds (not many out there at heavyweight mind you) it frustrates him and I also think he gets frustrated when fighters don't come at him because they don't open up for counters. Which is why I think Haye-Thompson could be a HUGE upset.
I think Haye will absolutely tool Tyson Fury, but Vitali? Vitali even as an old man won't give Haye the opportunities to connect cleanly. Fury sure as fuck will though and he'll pay the price, I'm guessing Haye by TKO round 2 because I doubt Fury's chin is that good and he's pissed off Haye enough to where he'll come ready to finish Fury off.
If Fury wins it will depend on the circumstances as to how much credit he gets.
While I regard your comment about Fury and Vitali's fights with Chisora as speculation, I must admit that you've got me regarding the Sprott KO of Audley. I had forgotten about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFury fought the undefeated Chisora, Vitali may have taken something out of Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Sprott put Harrison proper to sleep 3 years before Haye did it. He was limp before he landed face first in the canvas. SPROTT VS HARRISON - YouTube
Haye didnt get KO'd by Wlad because he didnt try to win. He had said it before how he expected to have a Sanders type result. He just doesnt have that gung ho style. Hes too carefull because hes well aware of his chin.
But I still think Haye takes Vitali now because Vitali's punches have lost some power and his offence just isn't on par like before. He still has the solid chin though and the height of course.
I want to be clear that I am not saying David Haye is a bad fighter... I'm saying he's not a beast at heavyweight like he was at cruiser. I have listened to his fans wait for his speed and power to be demonstrated at heavyweight, along with his aggressive mentality - the aggression is just not there. I don't know why he's hesitant, but he is. As was said, he did not even try to win against Wlad once he saw that he wasn't going to land a home run blow, which must have been what he thought his only chance was. He talked WAAAYYYYY to much about what he was going to do to Wlad for him to perform the way he did.
The fight against the Yeti was boring. You could have given that fight to either guy legitimately, but Haye was the first to pull the trick of beating him and he did so to take a belt. But it was not even close to in impressive fashion, and his trash talk belied the performance that got him the belt. Harrison was never the guy he could have been, and Harrison really looked shot in that fight from the very beginning, and not because of anything that Haye did. I thought Haye could have closed that fight out sooner than he did, but it was a stoppage that looked fairly impressive on paper - the fight itself was rather sloppy and Haye was not as impressive as he could have been. But you can never really throw salt on an early KO - he did what he should have and I give him credit for that.
Chizz was a laugher... he really didn't have a resume that belonged with the top fighters at heavyweight and yet he was built up because he was 'glassed' and there was bad blood. For my money, he was a clown - heavyweight's Ricardo Mayorga without the surprise KO victory that marked Mayorga's claim to fame.
Again I will say - I don't call David Haye a bad fighter... he's just not what he says he is or what many of his fans appear to be waiting for. Just watch Haye fans call for him to use his quickness and apparently incredible power to knock a guy out in the heavyweight division, including Vitali, Wlad, and even Fury, and you'll see what I mean.
Sad thing is, if USS Cunningham can hurt Fury, I do think that Haye has the opportunity to have a defining win that makes a statement in the way that I think he really wants to. We'll see if he shows up and does that or if Fury, who leaned on Cunningham pretty well as a big man, has something for him.
Fury beating the undefeated Chisora is not speculation and its not beyond comprehension that Chisora went in to the Haye fight a far less motivated fighter on the back of 3 losses.
If Fury is so shit acording to the majority on here then even a fat Chisora should have beaten him. I dont think Chisora is ever destined to be a champ. He will put up good solid performances but he just doesnt have that bit of extra will to turn things up and win rather than just do well, which I why I dont put a lot of stock in Haye beating him over a year ago in his only fight since losing every round to Wlad over 2 years ago.
The undefeated, uninterested, undeveloped Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossFury fought the undefeated Chisora, Vitali may have taken something out of Chisora.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Sprott put Harrison proper to sleep 3 years before Haye did it. He was limp before he landed face first in the canvas. SPROTT VS HARRISON - YouTube
Haye didnt get KO'd by Wlad because he didnt try to win. He had said it before how he expected to have a Sanders type result. He just doesnt have that gung ho style. Hes too carefull because hes well aware of his chin.
The Vitali fight was not the type of fight to take anything out of Chisora, he's young and going 12 with the best guy in your division and being his most competative fight since Lennox Lewis is only going to be sn experience that brings a developing fighter UP mentally and technically.
Haye got a better, more experience and motivate Chisora and did what Vitali and Fury didn't.
He had it all to gain in winning - another shot at Vitali, revenge for the brawl and vindication for the robbery before Vitali, not to mention pushing Vitali so far had gained him attention, why would he be more motivated when fighting the unproven Fury on channel 5?
no...the most notable thing he's done at HW is this....Quote:
Originally Posted by justaguy
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...56_233x342.jpg
How long since those T-shirts came out? Whats he done? I bought his entire schtick. Once. I think he will knock Fury out and I expect him to call Vitali out again immediately after. He will do this because Vitali has an obligation to fight another and may retire before or soon after. If he was really concerned with any kind of legacy at hev he would challenge the winner of Wlad/Povetkin. Trouble is even if he does, I cant take the guy serious anymore.
I agree with this 100%.. really this all depends with how much vitali has left... his style relies a lot on his height and reactions, he prefers to dodge punches rather than block them so if his reactions have slowed enough the haye has a chance of doing some damage to him(although I still haven't seen vitali hit hard since the sanders fight..)... I tihnk both at their best vitali walks through haye the same way he did v herbie hide but now it just depends how well he has aged and it is hard to say seeing as he doesnt like to fight much anymore... hard to say with vitali it seems he was injured v chisora(and the punch stats/lack of left hand jabs and hooks stat back that up) and charr seemed to cause him some problems but still charr was dropped fairly... so who knows..Quote:
Originally Posted by justaguy
not sure what vitali is up to just now... i hope he will fight stiverne soon
also i think vitali will fight haye next year and not stiverne
I hope Vitali fights him and shuts his mouth for good. I can't stand this part time fighter. After false advertising himself for the Wlad bout, he got the audacity to chase Vitali whose probably the more dangerous of the two bros..
Haye doesn't have what it takes to beat a real fighter like Vitali.
you are right it will never happen so theres little point in thinking about itQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
you are wrong tho a fight with haye would be more lucrative than any other for vitali so it holds a lot of value
and to answer the thread question, if vitali thought he still had what it takes to beat haye he would have fought him already
a lot of these posts driven by hate
Why would it be lucrative? Everybody saw how Haye fought Wlad who Haye considered the weaker of the brothers. Haye bottled it, he had no ambition in the fight. So I guess you're telling me that England is full of delusional idiots who still believe Haye or sadistic bastards who want Haye brutalized.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you are right it will never happen so theres little point in thinking about itQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
you are wrong tho a fight with haye would be more lucrative than any other for vitali so it holds a lot of value
and to answer the thread question, if vitali thought he still had what it takes to beat haye he would have fought him already
theres one massive contradiction in all of that dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhy would it be lucrative? Everybody saw how Haye fought Wlad who Haye considered the weaker of the brothers. Haye bottled it, he had no ambition in the fight. So I guess you're telling me that England is full of delusional idiots who still believe Haye or sadistic bastards who want Haye brutalized.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you are right it will never happen so theres little point in thinking about itQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
you are wrong tho a fight with haye would be more lucrative than any other for vitali so it holds a lot of value
and to answer the thread question, if vitali thought he still had what it takes to beat haye he would have fought him already
you could be right - perhaps english people are delusional, perhaps there are lots of haters
perhaps those are the reasons vitali would make a mint fighting haye, more than fighting anyone else by a long distance
so why doesnt he? the only reason i can see is he isnt confident he would win
Where's the contradiction? Vitali gave Haye several chances to fight him but NOW if Vitali says "You had your opportunity and didn't take it" all of a sudden "Vitali is not confident in his ability to win"? Really dude?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
My point is even though Haye might look like a superstar vs someone else he'll never...repeat NEVER look like that vs a Klitschko. All Haye has vs a Klitschko is his mouth and everyone is tired of that charade
His mouth AND a T-shirt... don't forget the shirt :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhere's the contradiction? Vitali gave Haye several chances to fight him but NOW if Vitali says "You had your opportunity and didn't take it" all of a sudden "Vitali is not confident in his ability to win"? Really dude?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
My point is even though Haye might look like a superstar vs someone else he'll never...repeat NEVER look like that vs a Klitschko. All Haye has vs a Klitschko is his mouth and everyone is tired of that charade
This ^Quote:
Originally Posted by justaguy
Lets also not forget, had Wlad's big brother not been Vitali, he wouldn't currently enjoy his status as the worlds no.1 heavyweight. He is top man by default. We don't actually know who was the true dominate heavyweight of this era.
Has there ever been anyone in history that has got so much credit for beating fighters they have never even fought?
They are individuals for fucks sake!!!