Canelo impressed me

I know most people are gonna start trashing him, saying he was overrated, average fighter hyped up way too much...

I disagree 100%. I was impressed with his poise, his accurate power jab, his hand speed, his defense, and I think he was also clever in his own right and countered well at times.

I know people will say he's shit or nothing special (I already say someone compare him to Baldomir). I think that's rediculous. Canelo is a solid fighter who is well on his way to greatness. He ran into the best and he didn't have the answer for Floyd, which is nothing to be ashamed of because FLoyd has made a lot of fighters look stupid in the ring.

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

I wouldnt say he impressed me lol but like you said, in his defense he was fighting PFB.

I will say I was impressed with Floyd but of course thats not anything unusual. But he looked fantastic tonight. He goes down as the best overall boxer of all time in my book and at this point the only thing that can change my opinion would a fighter to come along to change it which would take years.

He did do better against Floyd than most fighters.

I believe Canelo has a talent and potential, which was seen in some episodes, but
1) he was just too slow 2) no gameplan 3) his team is definitely overrated

Give him some credits for picking this fight, though it might be pure money interest
Very few fighter would mind loosing for 10 M $

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Originally Posted by cambay411

I wouldnt say he impressed me lol but like you said, in his defense he was fighting PFB.

I will say I was impressed with Floyd but of course thats not anything unusual. But he looked fantastic tonight. He goes down as the best overall boxer of all time in my book and at this point the only thing that can change my opinion would a fighter to come along to change it which would take years.

He did do better against Floyd than most fighters.

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Most as in every fighter on Floyds record? Yeah probably but not the world champs Floyd faced. He won one single round! He heard the final bell, big deal!

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Originally Posted by ross

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

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Its never accurate to say "A" fighter did this against "B" fighter so this should happen against "C" fighter. In other words the Cotto fight doesnt mean sht when judging Alvarez.

40 wins with 30 KO's isnt overrated. But if he is over rated then Floyd beat him like he should beat an over rated fighter.

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Originally Posted by cambay411

I wouldnt say he impressed me lol but like you said, in his defense he was fighting PFB.

I will say I was impressed with Floyd but of course thats not anything unusual. But he looked fantastic tonight. He goes down as the best overall boxer of all time in my book and at this point the only thing that can change my opinion would a fighter to come along to change it which would take years.

He did do better against Floyd than most fighters.

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Most as in every fighter on Floyds record? Yeah probably but not the world champs Floyd faced. He won one single round! He heard the final bell, big deal!

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He did better than some of the world champs PBF has faced.

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Originally Posted by cambay411

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Originally Posted by ross

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

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Its never accurate to say "A" fighter did this against "B" fighter so this should happen against "C" fighter. In other words the Cotto fight doesnt mean sht when judging Alvarez.

40 wins with 30 KO's isnt overrated. But if he is over rated then Floyd beat him like he should beat an over rated fighter.

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When a smaller older tired fighter can push Mayweather and Canelo cant..... I couldnt believe what I was watching in some parts of the fight. Canelo was so clueless, he had to lay on the ropes taking punches square in the face one after the other while he tried figuring out what to do;D

If that had been a fighter the same size as him he would have been knocked out;D

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Originally Posted by ross

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

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Because being young, big and undefeated were all perfectly valid reasons to think Alvarez had a shot tonight. He's never displayed the boxing skills or quickness Cotto had imo, and is not nearly as seasoned as Miguel was fighting Floyd. What was Cotto doing at 23, do you think he would have given Floyd a tough fight based on his form in the Ricardo Torres affair? I still don't think Mayweather was great against Cotto, and Cotto clearly slipped badly in losing to Trout, maybe that skewed further whatever there was to take from those matchups.

Bottom line is Alvarez did hang tough, was never really hurt and kept trying, showed some different looks etc. There is nobody else who will make it so difficult for him to land clean in the future, nobody even close to presenting the same challenges around the weight. He would beat the crap out of Cotto, just for instance. It's all styyyyyyyyyyles ya know.

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Originally Posted by ross

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

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Its never accurate to say "A" fighter did this against "B" fighter so this should happen against "C" fighter. In other words the Cotto fight doesnt mean sht when judging Alvarez.

40 wins with 30 KO's isnt overrated. But if he is over rated then Floyd beat him like he should beat an over rated fighter.

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When a smaller older tired fighter can push Mayweather and Canelo cant..... I couldnt believe what I was watching in some parts of the fight. Canelo was so clueless, he had to lay on the ropes taking punches square in the face one after the other while he tried figuring out what to do;D

If that had been a fighter the same size as him he would have been knocked out;D

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All excellent points above. For this reason, i was not impressed. It was supposed to be youth, speed and strength rushing in like Chavez did Roger May... instead, it really looked like Canelo thought he was going to outbox Floyd... and then didn't know what to do when he woke up out of his dream - in the middle of the ring.

I will say that being the type of athlete that he has demonstrated, Canelo will learn a tremendous amount from this fight, and will become a much better boxer because of it.

*Side note: Please recognize that Floyd just HANDLED a SuMwt in the ring tonight... Just like Martinez handled a LtHwt in Chavez, Jr. Big props

Canelo was overrated and I said that plenty of times in the build up to this fight and previous fights. He is a very good boxer but he is a level below Floyd. He is a world class fighter but is certainly not an all time great like people thoight he would be.

I wish Floyd would have fought Martinez a few years ago but Floyd is so careful with who he chooses to fight that he pronably will never lose his 0 which is a shame because we will never know how great he really is

Cotto and even Guerrero gave Floyd MUCH MORE of a competitive fight than Canelo did.

To be fair, Cotto and co gave Mayweather more of a fight simply because he let them, he stood around and traded.

With Alvarez he went back to the old Floyd of hit and don't get hit.

to be fair , any fighter who outpoints Matthew Hatton and loses a few rounds doing so , doesnt then step up and beat a master boxer like Floyd , Canelo's lack of power gave him no chance.
He was never going to outbox Floyd.

I don't like Mayweather as a person , but we should enjoy him while he is here , because he is one of the very best of all time.

Shit fight. Left the club at round 8. Perfect example of how ineffective trying to punch from earmuffs is against a guy who throws from beneath the chin and doesn't just stand there waiting for his turn to be hit. Add more skill and speed to the mix but an unwillingless to sit down on any punches and you have an absolute fucking snoozefest.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

to be fair , any fighter who outpoints Matthew Hatton and loses a few rounds doing so , doesnt then step up and beat a master boxer like Floyd , Canelo's lack of power gave him no chance.
He was never going to outbox Floyd.

I don't like Mayweather as a person , but we should enjoy him while he is here , because he is one of the very best of all time.

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I think it was more Canelos lack of speed and stamina.

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Originally Posted by jahmez

Shit fight. Left the club at round 8. Perfect example of how ineffective trying to punch from earmuffs is against a guy who throws from beneath the chin and doesn't just stand there waiting for his turn to be hit. Add more skill and speed to the mix but an unwillingless to sit down on any punches and you have an absolute fucking snoozefest.

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I wouldnt go that far. De La Hoya had an earmuff style and he had success against Floyd.

To me it shows that pressure with fantastic speed and footwork is what can beat Floyd. Like a prime ODLH.

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Originally Posted by ross

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

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Because being young, big and undefeated were all perfectly valid reasons to think Alvarez had a shot tonight. He's never displayed the boxing skills or quickness Cotto had imo, and is not nearly as seasoned as Miguel was fighting Floyd. What was Cotto doing at 23, do you think he would have given Floyd a tough fight based on his form in the Ricardo Torres affair? I still don't think Mayweather was great against Cotto, and Cotto clearly slipped badly in losing to Trout, maybe that skewed further whatever there was to take from those matchups.

Bottom line is Alvarez did hang tough, was never really hurt and kept trying, showed some different looks etc. There is nobody else who will make it so difficult for him to land clean in the future, nobody even close to presenting the same challenges around the weight. He would beat the crap out of Cotto, just for instance. It's all styyyyyyyyyyles ya know.

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Yes, he was over rated based on beating who? From what weight? From what era?;D

Dont know what Cotto was doing at that age but fact remains that Canelos abilities were overrated based on his opponents but his opponents and his performances against them (for me Hatton and Mosley proved he didn't have enough to deal with Mayweather) were the reason that everyone else including the book makers had Mayweather the favourite.

Got that fight on DVD. Oscar had his hands up yes but he was trying to parry and counter not ear muffing. Never bought the hype that he did well either. Grabbing and throwing love taps to the body meh. His jab only pushed Floyd to the ropes when Floyd was clowning and when Floyd opened up his straight right was like a homing missile.

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Got that fight on DVD. Oscar had his hands up yes but he was trying to parry and counter not ear muffing. Never bought the hype that he did well either. Grabbing and throwing love taps to the body meh. His jab only pushed Floyd to the ropes when Floyd was clowning and when Floyd opened up his straight right was like a homing missile.

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I will have to go back and watch again. Your description doesnt sound too far off tho because every time ive watched that fight Ive thought "man if ODLH only had that umph he had a few years ago".

ODLH had a similar style to Alvarez but ODLH did it right and was just more gifted imo.

Canelo's good against meatheads who earmuff and play let's be heavy bags but it was never gonna work on Floyd. Canelo's punches were all coming from the same place and angle while Floyd's were coming from underneath, around the sides and over the top. It's not just genetics that's made him quick but his whole stance and style.

I wasnt impressed by canelo at all

His tactics were awful. Trying to outbox floyd at a distance? He saw what a washed up Oscar and washed up Cotto had success with against a prime floyd. He had to put combos together. Even guerro who was out of his league put pressure on.

I was especially disappointed in that last round when floyd was using lateral movement and canelo just suddenly stopped chasing him and walked back. That was a sign of mentally giving up bordering on Durans no mas, he just didnt turn his back

Canelo wasnt prepared to take the risks required and will continue to milk the Mexican fans for afew years. Floyd looked sharp but is running out of challengers

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Canelo's good against meatheads who earmuff and play let's be heavy bags but it was never gonna work on Floyd. Canelo's punches were all coming from the same place and angle while Floyd's were coming from underneath, around the sides and over the top. It's not just genetics that's made him quick but his whole stance and style.

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I hate to sit here and say this now but the first thing I thought about Alvarez was that he is just to slow. Im not gonna sit here and say I called the Floyd win because I didnt at all.

But I did think Alvarez was slow without good footwork. At the same time I thought he would be able to hit Floyd hard and have enough strength and power to overcome any shortcomings he might have which obviously wasnt the case. You obviously have to get and stay close to Floyd and have tons of technique and power to have a chance (I could be wrong here lol).

But yeah what you said sounds about right. The reason I wouldnt say your 100% right is becasue Floyd outclassed him so bad on the inside and outside. If Floyd would have at least made a mistake somewhere we could make an easier judgment on Alvarez. But what Floyd did was beautiful so its just hard to come to any conclusion on Alvarez.

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Originally Posted by ross

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

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To be honest, i think Floyd could have schooled Cotto in much the same way as he schooled Canelo. He just fought the fight differently. He opened up more. He was more cautious against Canelo because of his size, and as a result, got hit much less and won widely. I think he has the capabilities to basically do that to anyone in the sport.

I don't think this "well fighter A did better against fight B than fighter C, so A > C" logic works, because if you want to do that then Emmanuel Augustus is a much better fighter than a ton of world champs because he gave Floyd a tougher fight than most.

Floyd was much sharper and more focused than he was in the Cotto and Guerrero fights, I saw this fight as a return to form for him.

And I have to laugh once again at people saying Canelo had no game plan, or wondering why he didn't just rush in. It shows you have a layman's knowledge of boxing or you just plain don't understand how crafty Floyd actually is.

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Originally Posted by ono

To be honest, i think Floyd could have schooled Cotto in much the same way as he schooled Canelo. He just fought the fight differently. He opened up more. He was more cautious against Canelo because of his size, and as a result, got hit much less and won widely. I think he has the capabilities to basically do that to anyone in the sport.

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Right on the money.

I think somebody explained Oscar that Canelo was a hype job just before the fight and Oscar' eyes got open all of a sudden. Then Oscar made up this rehab story to avoid being mocked by Mayweather

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

to be fair , any fighter who outpoints Matthew Hatton and loses a few rounds doing so , doesnt then step up and beat a master boxer like Floyd , Canelo's lack of power gave him no chance.
He was never going to outbox Floyd.

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To be fair....... if we all knew this coming in.......
Then what on Earth was he doing there in the first place?

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Originally Posted by ross

To be fair he is over rated. How can you look at how Cotto pushed Mayweather and then look at the younger, bigger, undefeated Canelo and think he's not over rated?

Alot of people thought Floyd had had it tonight. They massively over rated Alvarez.

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To be honest, i think Floyd could have schooled Cotto in much the same way as he schooled Canelo. He just fought the fight differently. He opened up more. He was more cautious against Canelo because of his size, and as a result, got hit much less and won widely. I think he has the capabilities to basically do that to anyone in the sport.

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Cotto pressed more, jabbed more, and showed more movement. It was obvious that his corner (Pedro Diaz) had prepared the right gameplan.... and Cotto followed it to the best of his ability. But Floyd is Floyd.... nothing more need be said. Having said that, Cotto bloodied his nose, and Floyd knew he'd been in a fight. Last night there was nothing of the sort. Floyd schooled Canelo to such an extent, it was comical to hear him after the fight giving his "public relations speech" about Canelo being a great champion, while very likely laughing inside at the great con job they had all just pulled off.

Even Guerrero, who was totally outclassed, turned in a more respectable showing against Floyd than Canelo did. That's where the bloated 40+ some undefeated record gets exposed for all to see.

All in all it was a boring, predictable fight. Well.... that's being too harsh on Floyd.
He did turn in his usual masterpiece of boxing.

I was almost surprised about Canelos lack of stamina. I thought he would be better prepared for this fight. Towards the last rounds it seemed every movement was an effort to him. I did think Canello was a bit overrated and I didn't think he would win but I did think he would do more damage to Floyd than we have seen in a while. I didn't think this one would be a blow out for Floyd. Still glad I got the fight but only for Garcia v Lucas.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

to be fair , any fighter who outpoints Matthew Hatton and loses a few rounds doing so , doesnt then step up and beat a master boxer like Floyd , Canelo's lack of power gave him no chance.
He was never going to outbox Floyd.

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To be fair....... if we all knew this coming in.......
Then what on Earth was he doing there in the first place?

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If you didn't catch it yet, his name is MONEY Mayweather. From here on, he's going to choose all of his opponents based on who can draw the most. Based on that theory (and the fact that he fought twice in a year) he's going to take the big money easy fight against Khan next. Can you say 80,000 tickets?