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What do we know about him and how did he suddenly get involve with boxing? Post your comments about what you know about Heredia, positive or negative. Its interesting to see if we know anything or a lot about the guy. You can even post question and somebody who knows may answer. For example: What are his college degrees and what made him qualify as a strength and conditioning coach?
Why single out Heredia? Whats a "strength and conditioning coach"? Its long word for chemist. Why does any fighter that has reached the pinnacle of the sport need one? If it aint broke and got you there why fix it? Its freakin hilarious. Fighters that fought 30 to 50 times a year never needed one. Fighters that fight once or twice a year need one. Fighters that fought 15 or more rounds never needed them. Fighters that fight 12 or less need them.
When is he fighting? Who is he fighting? What fight is he referring? What fight is he judging? What fighter is he promoting? He's training what fighter?
If none of those questions apply to him than why the fuck would I want to talk about him? He's a fucking strength and conditioning coach. Who gives a fuck where he went to school?
You make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.
I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"
Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.
He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.
Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.
Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?
He is a former Cuban national coach that defected and worked with Olympic athletes. His testimony caused a lot of athletes to be stripped of their medals and their world records. He has no known degree, just a hard working stiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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I dont know but he's a smart guy.. I give him a ton of credit..
" Strength and conditioning coach" or in laymen terms crock of shit. Any rebuttal? Can you give me a historical need? I think not. Heredia or John Smith it makes no difference to me. The need for these people in an already coddled world begs the question.
Basically, he came to boxing because the rules in boxing are loose and there is more short term money in it than amateur athletics. Dunno why he didn't do it much sooner?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
;D
I just think they are as redundant as all get go. They are like some new era fad. Like costume jewelry.
Boxing did fine w/o them for well over a hundred years and in eras that were much tougher and busier.
Money doesn't dictate who's or what's best! Money is an indicator of what's marketable. Money is bringing in more leeches, to give average and lacklustre fighters that edge over other lacklustre and average fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.
In the old days, guys like Sullivan and Dempsey didn't fight all that much once they became champ because there were easier ways to make good money. Sullivan hired people like Muldoon to get him in shape when he'd been off for a time.
For what it is worth, I don't think that Heredia, who ever he is, had anything to do with Marquez ko'ing Pac. I thought that Marquez would time that right hand in their first fight; I saw it watching him and thought it was inevitable. And it was, it just took one of the two smartest guys fighting today more than 40 rounds to do it. But Pac knew it was coming, too. Look how he bailed out as he threw his left hand. He got the taste of blood, though, and forgot. Brought the left foot up so he could sit down on his hook.
Very good point however these 1 or 2 fight guys a year at the top of the sport should not need any encouragement at this level. I mean its about 72 minutes a year if you fight twice and being just 12 rounds. I mean if you need a kick in the ass with that schedule find a new line of work. And then of course had Robinson made 20 or 30 million a fight he most likely would not have fought 3 times a month. I see the point though but the mega stars look to be fine w/o them and you know the old saying if it aint broke dont fix it. Stick with the plan that has worked prior to the snake oil salesman coming along. Hopkins started out at 175 and with age was already growing out of 160 before he left it. The guy was a gym rat so the hired gun handed him some protein powder and a set of weights, explained the four basic food groups and then asked him to sign the cheque. Roy looked like a water logged dead hypo at the Ruiz weigh in and scaled what 193 fully clothed wearing a velvet track suit and a 5 pound rolex;DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I think I mostly agree, except the different era thing works both ways. If a veteran fighter is only going to fight twice a year anyways and have the red carpet treatment in camp, it's not necessarily a bad idea to make sure they are in peak condition. I think to many younger fighters make this an equal focus to actually honing their skills or coming up with a gameplan, but it doesn't have to be the case. I forget the guys name who helped Roy Jones bulk up to HW and Hopkins Light heavy, but he obviously was a valuable asset as that is extremely hard to do.
He is just as "legit" as Alex Ariza. I find the uproar about Heredia to be quite hilarious...ESPECIALLY coming from Pac fans. As far as i'm concerned...Ariza is just as shady as Heredia. I thought it was very telling a while back (before the 4th Pac/Marquez fight) when they asked Ariza about Heredia's past...Alex had nothing bad to say on 24/7. He knows the deal. As IamInuit stated earlier..."strength and conditioning coach" basically means chemist.
Big difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.
You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.
I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?
Strength and conditioning coaches are people who understand physiology and sports science, they are not chemists or pharmacists. Name one qualified chemist other than Heredia. Even better, name one chemist or pharmacist who supplied PEDs to athletes for years, was caught and banned from athletics and then reinvented himself overnight as a strength and conditioning coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Riiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainBig difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.
You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.
I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?
Thats your response? You should of just did what that fag p4pQueen likes to do. Neg rep me. I bet p4pQueen has yet to reach adulthood. I know nobody else that does neg reps. Its lame :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinRiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainBig difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.
You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.
I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?
I guess I can respect a neg rep if after a proper counter post was done. Instead of just neg rep and saying you're an idiot. You're a bitch for that IMO. Congrats p4pqueen, you have a new name and enjoy the ramming I'm going to put on every comment I see from your bitch ass.
Calling me a bitch ass behind your computer screen. Here is a suggestion tough guy...remove Manny's nuts from your mouth. You don't deserve a proper counter post because you are a juvenile cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainThats your response? You should of just did what that fag p4pQueen likes to do. Neg rep me. I bet p4pQueen has yet to reach adulthood. I know nobody else that does neg reps. Its lame :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinRiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainBig difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.
You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.
I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?
I guess I can respect a neg rep if after a proper counter post was done. Instead of just neg rep and saying you're an idiot. You're a bitch for that IMO. Congrats p4pqueen, you have a new name and enjoy the ramming I'm going to put on every comment I see from your bitch ass.
I wouldn't have done it for that post alone, but you've always proven yourself to be a thick little twit who insults people for no reason. Its to bad you've made your way back onto this forum as you know fuck all about anything. You have fun with that "ramming" though, obviously delivering such acts occupies a lot of your thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainThats your response? You should of just did what that fag p4pQueen likes to do. Neg rep me. I bet p4pQueen has yet to reach adulthood. I know nobody else that does neg reps. Its lame :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinRiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainBig difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.
You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.
I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?
I guess I can respect a neg rep if after a proper counter post was done. Instead of just neg rep and saying you're an idiot. You're a bitch for that IMO. Congrats p4pqueen, you have a new name and enjoy the ramming I'm going to put on every comment I see from your bitch ass.
stfu hoe I'll smack you like a hoe in person if I wanted to and you can take it to any level you want afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinCalling me a bitch ass behind your computer screen. Here is a suggestion tough guy...remove Manny's nuts from your mouth. You don't deserve a proper counter post because you are a juvenile cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainThats your response? You should of just did what that fag p4pQueen likes to do. Neg rep me. I bet p4pQueen has yet to reach adulthood. I know nobody else that does neg reps. Its lame :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinRiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainBig difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.
You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.
I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?
I guess I can respect a neg rep if after a proper counter post was done. Instead of just neg rep and saying you're an idiot. You're a bitch for that IMO. Congrats p4pqueen, you have a new name and enjoy the ramming I'm going to put on every comment I see from your bitch ass.
I know you're a lame ass bitch cause you can neg rep me repeatedly. Doesn't it take a whole lot of time to neg rep anybody twice? I got a life so I don't bother with that. fuck you btw just for the fun of saying it. I know it ruins you nerds day when you guys get insulted online so I try to make time for saddo just to have fun with you sensitive hoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI wouldn't have done it for that post alone, but you've always proven yourself to be a thick little twit who insults people for no reason. Its to bad you've made your way back onto this forum as you know fuck all about anything. You have fun with that "ramming" though, obviously delivering such acts occupies a lot of your thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainThats your response? You should of just did what that fag p4pQueen likes to do. Neg rep me. I bet p4pQueen has yet to reach adulthood. I know nobody else that does neg reps. Its lame :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinRiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainBig difference, Heredia is a caught cheat who has an unknown background about actually strenght and conditioning training. Ariza is known to have a degree for his field and has nothing to do with the making or distribution of any sort of drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Again let me explain a little more in case you don't get it. Ariza trains physically and has different work out set he would actually give out even on twitter. Heredia in the other hand has none that anybody knows of and the only background he has is being a caught cheat with drugs.
You are an idiot to think Ariza has anything to do with drugs, he does workouts not anything drug related. You can't say the same for Heredia.
I think Ariza had nothing to say bad about Heredia is because Heredia always threatens to sue people. Heredia won't even give you the list of athletes he is working with. Talk about suspicious right?
I guess I can respect a neg rep if after a proper counter post was done. Instead of just neg rep and saying you're an idiot. You're a bitch for that IMO. Congrats p4pqueen, you have a new name and enjoy the ramming I'm going to put on every comment I see from your bitch ass.
Stupid ass bitter Pac fans that can not accept JMM got a better chemist than Pac had in Ariza. Memo neutralized the PED advantage Pac has been using to aid Marquez KTFO out of Trollman. The new conditioning coaches are using natural and totally legal supplements and using state-of-the-art conditioning methods. Herdia is years ahead of Conte and Ariza. He is the son of a chemist. His familys' company, Chopo Laboratory in Mexico City, Mexico, has been his playground for years. He himself was an athlete (discus thrower) and a graduate of Texas A&M. So basically the man is a genius and got JMM in tip top shape to shove that Mexecutioner tag up Pacs and his huggers asses. I hope lighting strikes twice so I can continue to see you little punk ass Pac huggers hike your skirts up higher and cry some more louder ...... So the question is if Pac KTFO of Rios then they should stop crying about Heredia since his supposed potion is not the reason for Pac's losing a fight ...... right ....... ???? Either way win or lose it appears they'll be crying til PAC is " RIP mode". Maybe Heredia needs to help in the crusade to heal Parkinsons' so after Freddy finishes riding the coat tails of Pac and Pac's supposed preliminary symptoms get worse he can get some love from Pac Huggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHe is a former Cuban national coach that defected and worked with Olympic athletes. His testimony caused a lot of athletes to be stripped of their medals and their world records. He has no known degree, just a hard working stiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
:o
FYI the first fighter Memo worked with was Arce .. I do not recall all these pinoygirls complaining that Conte conditioned Nonito was at a disadvantage vs Arce. Nonito = AsianAddict
Addicted to Cocks return just in time for his hero Cruz to fight tonight. From the looks of things your post are still garbage. Get your facts right fag!Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingStupid ass bitter Pac fans that can not accept JMM got a better chemist than Pac had in Ariza. Memo neutralized the PED advantage Pac has been using to aid Marquez KTFO out of Trollman. The new conditioning coaches are using natural and totally legal supplements and using state-of-the-art conditioning methods. Herdia is years ahead of Conte and Ariza. He is the son of a chemist. His familys' company, Chopo Laboratory in Mexico City, Mexico, has been his playground for years. He himself was an athlete (discus thrower) and a graduate of Texas A&M. So basically the man is a genius and got JMM in tip top shape to shove that Mexecutioner tag up Pacs and his huggers asses. I hope lighting strikes twice so I can continue to see you little punk ass Pac huggers hike your skirts up higher and cry some more louder ...... So the question is if Pac KTFO of Rios then they should stop crying about Heredia since his supposed potion is not the reason for Pac's losing a fight ...... right ....... ???? Either way win or lose it appears they'll be crying til PAC is " RIP mode". Maybe Heredia needs to help in the crusade to heal Parkinsons' so after Freddy finishes riding the coat tails of Pac and Pac's supposed preliminary symptoms get worse he can get some love from Pac Huggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHe is a former Cuban national coach that defected and worked with Olympic athletes. His testimony caused a lot of athletes to be stripped of their medals and their world records. He has no known degree, just a hard working stiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
:o
FYI the first fighter Memo worked with was Arce .. I do not recall all these pinoygirls complaining that Conte conditioned Nonito was at a disadvantage vs Arce. Nonito = AsianAddict
where are my facts wrong ... Fucked in the Ass and Mouth while it Rains semen? Get off the board until your troll look alike Eat Bulaga faggot ass Pac resurrects his career with another hand picked win over Rios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainAddicted to Cocks return just in time for his hero Cruz to fight tonight. From the looks of things your post are still garbage. Get your facts right fag!Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingStupid ass bitter Pac fans that can not accept JMM got a better chemist than Pac had in Ariza. Memo neutralized the PED advantage Pac has been using to aid Marquez KTFO out of Trollman. The new conditioning coaches are using natural and totally legal supplements and using state-of-the-art conditioning methods. Herdia is years ahead of Conte and Ariza. He is the son of a chemist. His familys' company, Chopo Laboratory in Mexico City, Mexico, has been his playground for years. He himself was an athlete (discus thrower) and a graduate of Texas A&M. So basically the man is a genius and got JMM in tip top shape to shove that Mexecutioner tag up Pacs and his huggers asses. I hope lighting strikes twice so I can continue to see you little punk ass Pac huggers hike your skirts up higher and cry some more louder ...... So the question is if Pac KTFO of Rios then they should stop crying about Heredia since his supposed potion is not the reason for Pac's losing a fight ...... right ....... ???? Either way win or lose it appears they'll be crying til PAC is " RIP mode". Maybe Heredia needs to help in the crusade to heal Parkinsons' so after Freddy finishes riding the coat tails of Pac and Pac's supposed preliminary symptoms get worse he can get some love from Pac Huggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHe is a former Cuban national coach that defected and worked with Olympic athletes. His testimony caused a lot of athletes to be stripped of their medals and their world records. He has no known degree, just a hard working stiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
:o
FYI the first fighter Memo worked with was Arce .. I do not recall all these pinoygirls complaining that Conte conditioned Nonito was at a disadvantage vs Arce. Nonito = AsianAddict
Those are my thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYou make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah but even though his coach also probably knows chemistry, that does not mean Hop is using him for that. These strength and conditioning coaches know strength and conditioning more then anyone.
Knowledge of the Ped world would be imperative for the career they were choosing whether they planned on exploiting them or not.
I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.
That is cool but a secretary or receptionist is now an Administrative Assistant. Its semantics. Like the word harvest for death and destruction. Any strength and conditioning coach in boxing at this level has a great understanding of PEDS and the specifics.
I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"
Again why just Heredia? I mean it almost looks vendetta like given the facts. Marquez weighed in at the same weight with Manny as he did against Floyd. He also said he was going to weight train prior to the third Manny fight. Thats what he did. He changed the body fat he had at 144 against Floyd to 144 muscle. This is not some earth shattering event. This is not you and I going at the bag for twenty minutes every other day. These people live in the freakin gym. After the third he was going to stick to the same training but using the right hand almost like a jab. The guy has stayed within a pound since Floyd, said he was hitting the weights, lost speed because of it and still landed Suzi. Its a testimony of how great a counter puncher he is.
Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.
So what? Every other strength and conditioning coach knows the same shit.
He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.
Just make random testing a rule. No tv dates or ppv or title fights w/o random testing. All the pimps that feed off these fighters flip the bill.
Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.
Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?
Odd that you would ask a question that you already had the answer for my friend.
[QUOTE=IamInuit;1196476]Those are my thoughts.[/QUOTE What a joke this Fucked in Julius mouth and ass & loves when it Rains semen. Starts a topic then listens to no opinions. Is presented with facts on Heredia and how he is actually more educated and polished than Ariza. How Heredia's first venture into boxing was with Arce and there was no uproar by the filipino faithfuls then because Nonito won. It appears these filipino nut huggers just can not accept Pac being KTFO. It also appears they do not want to be upstaged by JMM in the worlds best whining and complaining department . Its ok because Nonito and Pac will be gone soon and then what? They will still be in here 10 years later with no great champions complaining about Heredia.. JMM closed the book oh the island huggers and that is that all I need to relish their mourning and sadnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYou make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah but even though his coach also probably knows chemistry, that does not mean Hop is using him for that. These strength and conditioning coaches know strength and conditioning more then anyone.
Knowledge of the Ped world would be imperative for the career they were choosing whether they planned on exploiting them or not.
I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.
That is cool but a secretary or receptionist is now an Administrative Assistant. Its semantics. Like the word harvest for death and destruction. Any strength and conditioning coach in boxing at this level has a great understanding of PEDS and the specifics.
I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"
Again why just Heredia? I mean it almost looks vendetta like given the facts. Marquez weighed in at the same weight with Manny as he did against Floyd. He also said he was going to weight train prior to the third Manny fight. Thats what he did. He changed the body fat he had at 144 against Floyd to 144 muscle. This is not some earth shattering event. This is not you and I going at the bag for twenty minutes every other day. These people live in the freakin gym. After the third he was going to stick to the same training but using the right hand almost like a jab. The guy has stayed within a pound since Floyd, said he was hitting the weights, lost speed because of it and still landed Suzi. Its a testimony of how great a counter puncher he is.
Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.
So what? Every other strength and conditioning coach knows the same shit.
He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.
Just make random testing a rule. No tv dates or ppv or title fights w/o random testing. All the pimps that feed off these fighters flip the bill.
Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.
Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?
Odd that you would ask a question that you already had the answer for my friend.
[QUOTE=Addicted to_boxing;1196700]stfu fag, i know you young and you wasting my time. Your tone never change, i bet your more so of a pac hater than a jmm fan. Whats next for jmm now btw? He did close the book on all of philippine boxing right? Alright gotta go i got your mama on my dick already asking me to quit making you cry. I'm fuck her in the ass just so there wont be a chance of another sad bastard like you being born.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThose are my thoughts.[/QUOTE What a joke this Fucked in Julius mouth and ass & loves when it Rains semen. Starts a topic then listens to no opinions. Is presented with facts on Heredia and how he is actually more educated and polished than Ariza. How Heredia's first venture into boxing was with Arce and there was no uproar by the filipino faithfuls then because Nonito won. It appears these filipino nut huggers just can not accept Pac being KTFO. It also appears they do not want to be upstaged by JMM in the worlds best whining and complaining department . Its ok because Nonito and Pac will be gone soon and then what? They will still be in here 10 years later with no great champions complaining about Heredia.. JMM closed the book oh the island huggers and that is that all I need to relish their mourning and sadnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYou make a good point. I think I recall Bhop as the first to get a "strenght and conditioning" coach. I actually thought it was a great idea, plus Bhop was getting up in age.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah but even though his coach also probably knows chemistry, that does not mean Hop is using him for that. These strength and conditioning coaches know strength and conditioning more then anyone.
Knowledge of the Ped world would be imperative for the career they were choosing whether they planned on exploiting them or not.
I don't think strength and conditioning should mean chemist. I don't agree on that.
That is cool but a secretary or receptionist is now an Administrative Assistant. Its semantics. Like the word harvest for death and destruction. Any strength and conditioning coach in boxing at this level has a great understanding of PEDS and the specifics.
I don't think boxing fans especially the hardcore fans are paying enough attention to a guy like Heredia. Boxing has a bad rep to the general public already but for a guy like Heredia to come to our sport all of a sudden and turn an old elite fighter JMM to a beast, is "amazing/suspicious"
Again why just Heredia? I mean it almost looks vendetta like given the facts. Marquez weighed in at the same weight with Manny as he did against Floyd. He also said he was going to weight train prior to the third Manny fight. Thats what he did. He changed the body fat he had at 144 against Floyd to 144 muscle. This is not some earth shattering event. This is not you and I going at the bag for twenty minutes every other day. These people live in the freakin gym. After the third he was going to stick to the same training but using the right hand almost like a jab. The guy has stayed within a pound since Floyd, said he was hitting the weights, lost speed because of it and still landed Suzi. Its a testimony of how great a counter puncher he is.
Heredia has no background with fighters, he is a guy who was caught distributing PEDs and even went on German T.V saying it would be easy to produce PEDs that won't be detected by the test conducted for all boxers.
So what? Every other strength and conditioning coach knows the same shit.
He said when expose on 24/7 he is actually Angel Heredia and not Angel Hernandez (the original name he first went by) that we is willing to have JMM take any test but this has not happen. I'm not even sure what is going on with the Bradley//JMM testing. All I know is Bradley is insisting VADA testing, whom are the most legit testing out there. Heredia wants USADA.
Just make random testing a rule. No tv dates or ppv or title fights w/o random testing. All the pimps that feed off these fighters flip the bill.
Does anybody know anything about any of this. It seems to be an avoided topic.
Is Heredia legit or not, what do you guys think?
Odd that you would ask a question that you already had the answer for my friend.