So the Danes made first trip through the Northwest Passage. Any guess on the cargo?

Coal.

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Oh and the new climate report is in with over 9000 entries by scientists. Based on the irony above, any guess on who the culprit is?

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Coal.

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You meant that climate report that says there has been 0 warming in the last 15 years???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpPrRO1Tho

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Coal.

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You meant that climate report that says there has been 0 warming in the last 15 years???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpPrRO1Tho

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Lyle quit stealing alex jones' talking points, will ya. thats all that fat mouth ever talks about, how the powers-that-be are bullshitting the science on global warnming in order to impose a Global carbon Tax on the people.

Its kind of like denying gravity now.

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Yeah....if gravity stopped working for 15 years then exactly like you said

The hard evidence appears in. At least as hard as other theories proven to be fact. Say like the laws of thermodynamics or the soon to be extinction of the oceans wildlife right in front of us.

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The hard evidence appears in. At least as hard as other theories proven to be fact. Say like the laws of thermodynamics or the soon to be extinction of the oceans wildlife right in front of us.

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If the science was so friggin solid then why prey tell was every single scientist caught off guard when the climate didn't warm? Global warming is a political movement not a scientific one, that's why.

Everything is a political movement, even the decision on where to have a bowel movement, that is no argument against a rising tsunami of scientific fact. Just because you are lucky enough to be able to swim does not mean you should refuse to throw a lifesaver in as many others drown. Global Warming is a fact, however inconvenient that may be for you.

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Then why hasn't it warmed in 15 years chief? Why have 100% of the climate models been wrong if "the science is settled"....I mean if there WAS science to it then predictions would be easy would they not? Can't predict what the weather will be like 20 days from now but we can give an "accurate" prediction of the CLIMATE 10-20 years in advance? Call me crazy, but I have my doubts and I have them because the implementation of policies to "fight against Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change" will hurt people in a very big, very bad way....but you guys go right ahead and attempt to "save the earth" it ain't going anywhere

The earth's climate has never been static and always been fluid. It has been warming since the end of the last ice age. The question isn't is the climate changing (although the new "climate change" moniker is pretty cute") or are we going through a warming trend but rather what role does the human race play in how the climate changes and for political purposes specifically the role of 250+ years of fossil fuel consumption. This and what can/should be done about it is not settled. If nothing else the abject failure of almost all AGW predictive models shows that the scientists in the field still have a lot to learn about our climate, why/how it changes and what are the strongest contributing factors.

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The earth's climate has never been static and always been fluid. It has been warming since the end of the last ice age. The question isn't is the climate changing (although the new "climate change" moniker is pretty cute") or are we going through a warming trend but rather what role does the human race play in how the climate changes and for political purposes specifically the role of 250+ years of fossil fuel consumption. This and what can/should be done about it is not settled. If nothing else the abject failure of almost all AGW predictive models shows that the scientists in the field still have a lot to learn about our climate, why/how it changes and what are the strongest contributing factors.

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Pffffft nice attempt to use LOGIC, but the believers of Global Warming do not care about that!



Also if there WAS truly "Anthropogenic Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change" then why did those guys at East Anglia deliberately fudge their data again???? Did we ever figure that out or don't you guys want to?

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If the science was so friggin solid then why prey tell was every single scientist caught off guard when the climate didn't warm? Global warming is a political movement not a scientific one, that's why.

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Global warming is a business for sure.You can swap and buy rewards from other companies points and still blow all your own shit up the chimney; (that says it all right there.)

But we have fucked the ozone layer which has bleached the upper reefs the oceans currents are in reverse from it so theres big change afoot because thats all connected to our weather patterns,crops our skin cancers going through an all record high etc.

Add to it over fishing,dumping of rubbish into oceans, oil removal from deep in the Earth,poisons poured into the ground for weed control and we are creating some changes on some very basic levels of life in, on and around Earth. Then through business we have scientists who are paid to find in favor of continuing these practices and they are paid to only find that not the reverse.

Global warming is a name game and a blame game worth trillions in taxes.

The problems do exist though,they are for real. It was ozone depletion that bleached the reefs and also other depletions caused by chemical additives that are caused by our systems that cause all sorts of strife, from our increase in cancers to ther world colonies of bees dying off,down to the depths where star fish can now survive on reef killing off everything for ever,then the currents and water temps all change and the weather patterns follows suit.

Call it what you like.

Lyle clearly fails to understand that he is not a climate change expert and thus should accept that he disagrees with 95% of the worlds scientists. On that basis he should shut up and never talk about these things on a boxing forum. Doesn't Lyle realise that he is just a common cigar chomping, hard liquor drinking, loud, obnoxious, stereotype of all that the world dislikes in the contemporary American? 'Oooh, I've got a gun and will never use it in my entire life no matter how corrupt and nonsensical my country is. Conspiracy theories going against all the science? Yes, please, mark it on my forehead with a stamp saying 'Here is dunce''. Lyle advocates ignorance of facts and thus argues that man might as well tighten the noose and say 'Fuck you, we didn't give a hoot' to the children who will inherit the god forsaken mess.

Anybody can jump into a thread and be an arse. Lyle, is the king of that. Friends and vaginas, as if Lyle would have any concept of the two terms.

Might have been Einstein who said that as the world around us continues to change, the thinking of mankind does not. The only place on earth that the effects are even a tin foil hat theory is a country south of me. The same people that would use empirical evidence to prove a theory deny the same criteria on another. The fact that these facts have become left and right for a certain population says something.

And come here to Yukon close to the pole or my neighbour Alaska and ask us if global warming is a fact. Better yet view the effects on any number of cataclysm weather events around this planet that grow in scale yearly not decades. This is all natural? Look as an existentialist its inviting that hole in the sand but quite possibly/probably mentally retarded given the evidence not delivered by God.

Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. Then of course you get the lunatic political beliefs with the most bizarre hatred of anything 'socialist' and again accurate defintions fall largely by the way side. It is no surprise that people there can be convinced into disbelieving 95% of the science. It's more than a little bit sad. At least if you are in the minority and defending the view that the earth is still the centre of the solar system, then your view isn't going to affect anybody. You can ignore them without a problem and laugh at them too. Yet, if you are in a sizeable minority (only in America) and have huge lobby groups with vested interests on your side, then that creates a bit of a problem.

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Vast swathes? If Lyle shouldn't talk about global warming you damn sure shouldn't opine about what the American people are like. Your ignorance and bigotry about what Americans are like is only surpassed by your willingness to express that ignorance.

I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

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I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

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Catholic priests and the big bang theory :D

The smaller the choir boy the bigger the bang, was that their theory?

Sorry you did ask.:-X

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Don't forget the observation that vast swathes of the nation believe the earth is less than 10,00 years old and that man walked with dinosaurs. Then of course you get the lunatic political beliefs with the most bizarre hatred of anything 'socialist' and again accurate defintions fall largely by the way side. It is no surprise that people there can be convinced into disbelieving 95% of the science. It's more than a little bit sad. At least if you are in the minority and defending the view that the earth is still the centre of the solar system, then your view isn't going to affect anybody. You can ignore them without a problem and laugh at them too. Yet, if you are in a sizeable minority (only in America) and have huge lobby groups with vested interests on your side, then that creates a bit of a problem.

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Ease up on Lyle mate, he isnt totally wrong, global warming is a tax take and a dollar sham. But its just a group name that we should be addressing anyway. Ozone depletion would be a more truthful name to umbrella most of our troubles under.

Lyle is wrong about what is happening, is in lunatic conspiracy theory mode with his denial, and of course there is money to be made in new technology. That's the way of the world, for better or for worse.

My OP in this thread was more a satirical swipe at the way Lyle jumped into the Syria thread by making it all nasty and ridiculous. 'You cannot have an opinion on politics as you teach, you are mad, rargh'. He can fuck off with that shite, the snivelling wretch comes out every now and then just to make it personal.

And then this Walrus weirdo with his profound thread on Elvis is lecturing me and VC and calls me a bigot. Hello Bible! You all must have missed the biblical God who was the biggest bigot of them all. It's no coinicidence that Bible bashers are the biggest deniers of man made global warming. They are the most selfish of all.

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Vast swathes? If Lyle shouldn't talk about global warming you damn sure shouldn't opine about what the American people are like. Your ignorance and bigotry about what Americans are like is only surpassed by your willingness to express that ignorance.

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Typical polls suggest between 40-50% of the populace. I would suggest perhaps that you are the one who lives in ignorance of your own country as there are plenty of articles mostly suggesting that your country is home to tens of millions of science denying, fundamentalist, oddballs. Now at the same time, half the nation appears to be more rational on the issue. Vast swathes was obviously flippant, but appears to be somewhat true.

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I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

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To be fair to the Catholic church, it has evolved somewhat, and is once again in a process of evolution. Anything to survive I guess.

Some of the Christians in America appear to be on the right track too in seeing that we have a duty to preserve the planet. However, all too many seem to be of the view that science is there to be denied and because largely you believe in an afterlife, then the future of the earth doesn't really matter. That is a horribly selfish gamble to take.

It doesn't make any logical sense to argue 'Well, some will make some money from this and my fingers are in my ears, evidence be damned'. I swear Lyle has invested all of his money in the coal industry and being a God believing non-parent he thus doesn't give a hoot about the future.

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And come here to Yukon close to the pole or my neighbour Alaska and ask us if global warming is a fact. Better yet view the effects on any number of cataclysm weather events around this planet that grow in scale yearly not decades. This is all natural? Look as an existentialist its inviting that hole in the sand but quite possibly/probably mentally retarded given the evidence not delivered by God.

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You mean like all those hurricanes the east coast HASN'T been hit with recently?

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I have no problems with people who hold those beleifs. They are very much in the minority. I am a Catholic, yes the hated Catholic Church. We dont beleive in the 10,000 year thing and beleive that science and faith do not oppose each other. A Catholic priest was on a team that developed the Big Bang Theory and it is supported in the Church. The Catholic Church beleives the Theory of evolution does not conflict with Church teachings. Alright, let the Catholic bashing begin.

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To be fair to the Catholic church, it has evolved somewhat, and is once again in a process of evolution. Anything to survive I guess.

Some of the Christians in America appear to be on the right track too in seeing that we have a duty to preserve the planet. However, all too many seem to be of the view that science is there to be denied and because largely you believe in an afterlife, then the future of the earth doesn't really matter. That is a horribly selfish gamble to take.

It doesn't make any logical sense to argue 'Well, some will make some money from this and my fingers are in my ears, evidence be damned'. I swear Lyle has invested all of his money in the coal industry and being a God believing non-parent he thus doesn't give a hoot about the future.

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I don't understand. Why was your first response to my post insultive and now you say something decent. I didn't expect that one. By the way, my Elvis post was a joke.

The first post was a hurried one having only seen negative posts above. Your post wasn't particularly negative and I later decided when I had a bit more time that you didn't deserve scorn, but a more balanced response. You are one of the few people to agree with Lyle, so maybe I boxed you into being like him too prematurely. I also considered that maybe you were an alias trying to wind me up, but I have changed my mind.

Lyle pisses me off and I get pissy back and it gets silly. You got in the crossfire somewhat and maybe I was unfair to you being angry. I'm not the devil though, whence a change of thought. I have the speech of Rocky at the end of Rocky 4 in my head.

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The first post was a hurried one having only seen negative posts above. Your post wasn't particularly negative and I later decided when I had a bit more time that you didn't deserve scorn, but a more balanced response. You are one of the few people to agree with Lyle, so maybe I boxed you into being like him too prematurely. I also considered that maybe you were an alias trying to wind me up, but I have changed my mind.

Lyle pisses me off and I get pissy back and it gets silly. You got in the crossfire somewhat and maybe I was unfair to you being angry. I'm not the devil though, whence a change of thought. I have the speech of Rocky at the end of Rocky 4 in my head.

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So how's life on the wagon again? ;)

Eh? I haven't been on the wagon. Plus I have no idea who you are. If you refuse to join the anteaters then you clearly eat glass and lick vaginas as an anonymous stranger.

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Ozone Hole Shrinks to Record Low | LiveScience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCpMIe8FjEU



And miles either you were on the wagon (read your last post in the alcohol thread) or you're a lying bastard....either way you should be ashamed of yourself

I still have no idea who you are, and I don't know anything about wagons. Your posting proves that you exist, yet I shall deny 100% of any evidence handed to me. I can treat issues the Lyle way. It's the opposite of believing in God where, 0.00000000001% percent possibility of existence is neccessary.

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I still have no idea who you are, and I don't know anything about wagons. Your posting proves that you exist, yet I shall deny 100% of any evidence handed to me. I can treat issues the Lyle way. It's the opposite of believing in God where, 0.00000000001% percent possibility of existence is neccessary.

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That settles that then....read that everyone? I guess we don't need to worry about our threads being taken over by a drunken antisemite and his inane ass kissing allegiance to Noam Chomsky, anymore.....iI think that should brighten up the place quite a bit.

I dispute the character assassination with the assertion that I am actually a fairy unicorn thing and that is all there is to say on that.

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Typical polls suggest between 40-50% of the populace. I would suggest perhaps that you are the one who lives in ignorance of your own country as there are plenty of articles mostly suggesting that your country is home to tens of millions of science denying, fundamentalist, oddballs. Now at the same time, half the nation appears to be more rational on the issue. Vast swathes was obviously flippant, but appears to be somewhat true.

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If you had ever been to the US or even interacted with more than a handful of American's you'd realize how ignorant you are about this country. Your pompous arrogance about a place you have never been to is truly astonishing. Your attempts to pigeon hole the US population is akin to me making a generalization about the 400+ million in Western Europe except that I have actually traveled in most of those countries. Asking someone if they are a creationist, take a literal interpretation of the Bible and asking someone if the world is between 6-10k years old is not the same thing. I know some pretty devout Christians and I can't name one that is a Young Earth Creationist.

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Typical polls suggest between 40-50% of the populace. I would suggest perhaps that you are the one who lives in ignorance of your own country as there are plenty of articles mostly suggesting that your country is home to tens of millions of science denying, fundamentalist, oddballs. Now at the same time, half the nation appears to be more rational on the issue. Vast swathes was obviously flippant, but appears to be somewhat true.

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If you had ever been to the US or even interacted with more than a handful of American's you'd realize how ignorant you are about this country. Your pompous arrogance about a place you have never been to is truly astonishing. Your attempts to pigeon hole the US population is akin to me making a generalization about the 400+ million in Western Europe except that I have actually traveled in most of those countries. Asking someone if they are a creationist, take a literal interpretation of the Bible and asking someone if the world is between 6-10k years old is not the same thing. I know some pretty devout Christians and I can't name one that is a Young Earth Creationist.

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Miles is the typical lefty..."I'm not getting my way in this argument....ummmm then it must be because you/your views EMOTIONAL STATEMENT"....You libs argue like women.....when will you start trying to play the victim and then finally crying because we call you a cunt?

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Typical polls suggest between 40-50% of the populace. I would suggest perhaps that you are the one who lives in ignorance of your own country as there are plenty of articles mostly suggesting that your country is home to tens of millions of science denying, fundamentalist, oddballs. Now at the same time, half the nation appears to be more rational on the issue. Vast swathes was obviously flippant, but appears to be somewhat true.

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If you had ever been to the US or even interacted with more than a handful of American's you'd realize how ignorant you are about this country. Your pompous arrogance about a place you have never been to is truly astonishing. Your attempts to pigeon hole the US population is akin to me making a generalization about the 400+ million in Western Europe except that I have actually traveled in most of those countries. Asking someone if they are a creationist, take a literal interpretation of the Bible and asking someone if the world is between 6-10k years old is not the same thing. I know some pretty devout Christians and I can't name one that is a Young Earth Creationist.

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Miles is the typical lefty..."I'm not getting my way in this argument....ummmm then it must be because you/your views EMOTIONAL STATEMENT"....You libs argue like women.....when will you start trying to play the victim and then finally crying because we call you a cunt?

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As soon as you said "Typical Lefty" you became a caricature. And you said that long before this post.

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Ozone Hole Shrinks to Record Low | LiveScience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCpMIe8FjEU



And miles either you were on the wagon (read your last post in the alcohol thread) or you're a lying bastard....either way you should be ashamed of yourself

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Lyle it isnt Earth in a cycle, we did something about cfc emissions, specially banning the use in all aerosol cans, We are shrinking what we once enlarged through action.

The effects of the original growth of the two holes are still here though,reef deaths through sun bleaching,now reefs are taken over by star fish depleting them further,water temp changes that cause elnino and other current reversals have effects on weather crops etc. Cancers are still here from no ozone protection and the melting/shrinking of the ice caps is the last worry still occurring, but that may reverse.

The European Space Agency claims that the Antarctic ozone layer hole has shrunk to a historic low due to CFC reductions.

Ozone Hole Science Revisited - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Current science puts the whole CFC/Ozone depletion theory on its ear. We simply don't understand these things nearly as well as we think we do.

How can any rational human being beyond the thought process of an amoeba deny the footprint which is ongoing of this species? Its truly unbelievable. Actually its not. Fucking now generation. I quoted Albert once and will do it again.

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We celebrate the opening of the North west passage thanks to global warming and then rush in to drill. I hate the fact that we will take everything out with us.

Maybe it is just change, in the way the world was meant to change, and our greed and general 'fuckedupedness' is the instrument of that change?