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I'm sorry but this choice of opponent is pathetic! Johnson turns up to not hit and try not to get hit. Waste of time for Chisora, he's marking time in a main event and it's bullshit. Frank Warren is conning people with this crap. Terrible card.
Yes but is Johnson any worse then that Ukrainian he was lined up against in the first place? It should have just been Fury v Chisora straight away
I actually agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
They want to build an audience for a stadium. They should have got Lucas Brone on the show.
Imagine if Jhnson pulls the upset! That would fuck everything up...
Yes he's worse. He doesn't provide anything in terms of offence and he has nothing to trouble anyone. At least with Rudenko he was undefeated so he was an unknown entity. Pala was giving Chisora a little difficulty and he wasn't exactly known. At least he tried. Johnson does not try. Plus he's coming of a crap performance vs. Christian Hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
What is the point of Chisora & Fury's fights? Both opponents will offer nothing and this is just short changing fans. Frank Warren is a tosser.
I didnt see the Hammer fight but wasnt if close?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYes he's worse. He doesn't provide anything in terms of offence and he has nothing to trouble anyone. At least with Rudenko he was undefeated so he was an unknown entity. Pala was giving Chisora a little difficulty and he wasn't exactly known. At least he tried. Johnson does not try. Plus he's coming of a crap performance vs. Christian Hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I had Johnson winning 96-94 but the fight was fucking awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI didnt see the Hammer fight but wasnt if close?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYes he's worse. He doesn't provide anything in terms of offence and he has nothing to trouble anyone. At least with Rudenko he was undefeated so he was an unknown entity. Pala was giving Chisora a little difficulty and he wasn't exactly known. At least he tried. Johnson does not try. Plus he's coming of a crap performance vs. Christian Hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Kevin johnson got jobbed against hammer but it's his fault for not fighting with more authority in hostile territory..
He will probably get outworked by chisora too. What a shit fight.
Johnson is just a durable journeyman .
Just watched an interview with Chisora and he's really not keen on Johnson as an opponent. Saying he's tricky and the crowd will boo.
I doubt this next bit very much BUT IF Johnson has kept in shape, been training since his last fight, this has the potential to be a banana skin for the the whole Fury v Chisora rematch. Chisora had had some shaky moments in his last couple of fights against much lesser skilled men.
Its 3 weeks away. If Johnson hasn't been in training, its going to be terrible because he will spoil and back peddle more than usual to last the distance. Don Charles has said that Chisora will force the issue to try and make it exciting.
Frank Warren is a god of a promoter if you are one of his fighters. :cool:
I agree. Look what he did for Ricky Hatton.. he marketed a tough journeyman level fighter into a superstar!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Hatton promptly left as did Khan and Naz and look what happened to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaI agree. Look what he did for Ricky Hatton.. he marketed a tough journeyman level fighter into a superstar!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Johnson takes this
Chisoras people have short changed into a role reversal here. Betting the promoter could give a shate less who wins
If Johnson is fit I agree. He leap frogs in to the rankings on a relatively big stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I like Chisora. He's fun and has a good attitude for boxing.
He as kept himself busy and got some good results last year but he hasnt looked great doing it and against who?
Malik Scott is as good as anyone Fury has fought thus far. Being fair to Chisora, Avila & Scott & Pala were not the original opponent he was training for. He's done well for himself in the last year so I credit him for making himself relevent again. All this makes him a decent opponent for Fury at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIf Johnson is fit I agree. He leap frogs in to the rankings on a relatively big stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I like Chisora. He's fun and has a good attitude for boxing.
He as kept himself busy and got some good results last year but he hasnt looked great doing it and against who?
I understand the idea is to showcase both of them before the rematch, but the choices of opponent are terrible. Fury will beat Basile with ease. He's a Hughie Fury level of opponent, but Tyson should be fighting someone better. Chisora is not going to look good fighting Johnson. It's a terrible main event and a terrible show.
Agree Malik Scott is better then anyone Fury has fought as is Helenius who Chisora was robbed against. Johnson could win but doubt he is gettin a decision so is a relative safe fight for ChisoraQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnMalik Scott is as good as anyone Fury has fought thus far. Being fair to Chisora, Avila & Scott & Pala were not the original opponent he was training for. He's done well for himself in the last year so I credit him for making himself relevent again. All this makes him a decent opponent for Fury at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIf Johnson is fit I agree. He leap frogs in to the rankings on a relatively big stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I like Chisora. He's fun and has a good attitude for boxing.
He as kept himself busy and got some good results last year but he hasnt looked great doing it and against who?
I understand the idea is to showcase both of them before the rematch, but the choices of opponent are terrible. Fury will beat Basile with ease. He's a Hughie Fury level of opponent, but Tyson should be fighting someone better. Chisora is not going to look good fighting Johnson. It's a terrible main event and a terrible show.
He should fight Tor Hamer at the same time.
Johnson could win 12 rounds to nil and he's still not winning this fight. Funny choice of opponent considering they are just selling a rematch with Fury.
Fury wins KO 1-2.
Chisora wins a 12 round borefest.
Malik Scott is better than anyone Fury has faced?
The logic in here is special;D
Who beat Scott? Oh yes Chisora! Who took Chisoras unbeaten record away;)
Fury made me laugh with all the crap everyone has said about Chisora not being in shape, he said something along the lines of "Chisora only had 4 months to get ready last time, this time hes had 2 years so hopefully hes now ready". Hahahahaha!!!;D
Johnson has the perfect style to beat a pressure fighter and a good chin. Chisora will start to fade more it's just the nature of his style. Now whether he'll get the call from the judges is debatable but I think he could pull this off
Fury could do with the rounds. Won't get them. If Del stops Johnson, Fury will still carry on with the deluded belief that he is the real deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Chisora came in in excellent shape v Scott. He did not v Fury. If he came in to Scott fght in same condition as he did v Fury Scott woul dhave beat him. The logic makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Apparently they're scheduled to fight on the same bill again in April before they actually meet. Maybe Fury will get the 12 round borefest next time and Chisora the easy KO job.
I'm more interested in seeing if these massive "stars," who will fill a stadium in the summer, can even pack the copperbox (7000 seats).
Chisora is only headliner because Billy Joe Saunders pulled out injured.
Del boy won't stop JohnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzFury could do with the rounds. Won't get them. If Del stops Johnson, Fury will still carry on with the deluded belief that he is the real deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yeah ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeChisora came in in excellent shape v Scott. He did not v Fury. If he came in to Scott fght in same condition as he did v Fury Scott woul dhave beat him. The logic makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
If nothing else 4 months to prepare and lose to a feather fisted, fat, china chinned gypsy that punches himself proves that Chisora isnt that good.
Alot gets said about Chisoras shape but Furys body composition in his last few fights is massively different to the fighter Chisora faced a few years ago.
Chisora is the same shape almost, just smaller. I think being smaller will hurt him more than anything else against a huge man like Fury who knows how to use his size to make it rough and even when he wasnt as fit he could outwork Chisora.
If Johnson comes in shape, Chisora will look shite. Then what? Not only does Fury already have a good win over Chisora, he looked better against Johnson. Will it then be all ifs and buts again?
Chuck Wepner vs Tex Cobb
OK let me get this straight. By your logic a fat overweight Chisora who gassed after 2 rounds is better then the more recent in shape Chospra who beat Scott? Because he was heavier? Do you read what you write you absolute retard. Scott is better then Johnson and Cunningham. He would have beat the Chisora Fury fought because Chisora couldnt punch or move from the 3rd round. Are you that stupid you cant see that. Just watch the fucking fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYeah ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeChisora came in in excellent shape v Scott. He did not v Fury. If he came in to Scott fght in same condition as he did v Fury Scott woul dhave beat him. The logic makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
If nothing else 4 months to prepare and lose to a feather fisted, fat, china chinned gypsy that punches himself proves that Chisora isnt that good.
Alot gets said about Chisoras shape but Furys body composition in his last few fights is massively different to the fighter Chisora faced a few years ago.
Chisora is the same shape almost, just smaller. I think being smaller will hurt him more than anything else against a huge man like Fury who knows how to use his size to make it rough and even when he wasnt as fit he could outwork Chisora.
If Johnson comes in shape, Chisora will look shite. Then what? Not only does Fury already have a good win over Chisora, he looked better against Johnson. Will it then be all ifs and buts again?
If Johnson comes in in shape and Chisora looks shit so what? He'll still win and can just say its Johnson, most people look shit against him because he just focuses on going the distance. What if Chisora stops Johnson. Then is he better then Fury based on their performances against the same opponent?
Yes Fury has gotten into better shape recently but that has nothing to do with Chisora being in terrible shape for the first fight. Fury was still fit in the 1st fight the only difference now is that he may have more power and be a bit faster. If he was in this shape for the first fight he probably would have stopped that Chisora but that doesnt mean hell stop a fit Chisora.
Scott is better than Johnson?
If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.
If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).
So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.
Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeSo by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.
Stop it;D
If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.
Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeSo by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.
Stop it;D
If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.
Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeChisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeSo by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.
Stop it;D
If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.
Carry on;D
It is unlikely but he will sure as hell try to. Fury on the other hand is merely very trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDel boy won't stop JohnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzFury could do with the rounds. Won't get them. If Del stops Johnson, Fury will still carry on with the deluded belief that he is the real deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossChisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeChisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeSo by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.
Stop it;D
If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.
Carry on;D
They are all good fighters, you dont get to that level without being good. None of them are great
Your even tying yourself up now trying to explain your logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThe stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossChisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeChisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNot good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeSo by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.
Stop it;D
If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.
Carry on;D
Basically you just want to say Furys shit I take it?
Stop trying to explain why because youll end up giving yourself a headache;)
Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.
No, no I havent.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.
Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!
Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".
What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....
U are wrong and a retardQuote:
Originally Posted by rossNo, no I havent.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.
Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!
Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".
What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....
1. Danny Williams beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes aka Williams is better then Tyson and Hplmes.
2. Fury got a gift decision against McDermot after he was KOd in 1 in his prime by Matt Skelton. Matt Skelton must be better then Fury.
Your basing ur argument on something that hasnt happened, Johnson beating Chisora. U also cant seem to admit that Chisora was in awful shape in his fight with Fury which is why everyone thinks your a delusional fool. You constantly contradict yourself with your logic of how and why one fighter is better then the other but you only apply it to fighters you like. Just because I agree with the majority on this site about you and about Fury doesnt mean Im following the pack, Im just saying what I see and I happen to see it the way everyone else does. Everyone is biased to fighters they like but most of us try to be rational when talking about fighters. You dont seem to be able to do this and cannot accept any criticism to a fighter you like.
U also make up things people say, where or when did I say Chisora beats Fury? I havent argued that anywhere. All I have said is that in the 1st fight Chisora was in awful shape and gassed after 2 or 4 rounds. I also said I believe Scott is a better fighter then Johnson, Cunningham and the Chisora thay Fury faced. And by better fighter I mean better Heavyweight, Cunningham is a better fighter then Cunningham but at Heavyweight Scott wins. Im a boxing odds compiler so I know Fury will be fav to beat Chisora and I think he should be but a fit Chisora has a great chance of beating him. The way you shite on youd think Chisora had no chance.