Dereck Chisora now faces Kevin"Punchbag" Johnson

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

[Silkeyjoe]

Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

[Silkeyjoe]

Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

The stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.

[Silkeyjoe]

They are all good fighters, you dont get to that level without being good. None of them are great

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Scott is better than Johnson?

If Johnson doesn't get stopped and he wont, hes instantly done better than Scott.

If Chisora looks shit then it proves that Fury was the better man all along because an "in shape" Chisora cant get past someone Fury did (and easier than Vitali according to Malik Scott).

So by your logic if Chisora stops Johnson is an inshape Chisora better then an inshape Fury? Because Fury couldnt stop him?

Yes Scott is far better then Johnson. Scott is a very good fighter who got robbed against a very good fight in Glazkov and was stopped in Bizarre fashion by Chisora.

Not good enough to be Furys sparring partner any more, since he busted both his ear drums

Stop it

If Chisora stops Johnson that would be a better result but more likely is Chisoras stock will fall a little and people will say after this fight that Chisora was never that good anyway.

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

Chisora isnt that good but Malik Scott is "very good" and better than anyone Fury has faced even though Chisora stopped him and Fury beat Chisora?

Carry on

The stoppage was bogus. He isnt that good in the context I explained above. He is a good european title level fighter and a bad world title fighter if that makes sense. Just like Fury. Scott is same. Very good for that level but not very good compared to all time greats.

Your even tying yourself up now trying to explain your logic.

Basically you just want to say Furys shit I take it?

Stop trying to explain why because youll end up giving yourself a headache

[Silkeyjoe]

Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

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Whatever Ross I know Im right. Sure its not like anyone values your opinion anyway constantly hyping average fighters as all time greats.

No, no I havent.....

Iv mearly had the temerity to have an opinion that differs to the vast majority in this forum and had the courage to post it publicly and stick by my guns.

Iv never said hes the best around now let alone ever!

Its funny how such outlandish claims are made against my comments just so some posters can get other posters behind them. Youll notice that its never just "I think your wrong" its always "I think your wrong and so do this lot".

What I am saying is Fury is better than Chisora. Hes proven hes better than Chisora. Hes also proven hes better than Johnson and as a "very good fighter" Malik Scott said, Fury had an easier time with Johnson than Vitali did. Malik Scott cant be better than Furys opponents seeing as one actually beat him and if Chisora has problems with Johnson it disproves this myth about Chisoras fitness being the major factor in his loss to Fury seeing as this is the new improved fit Chisora that wins the rematch.....

[bzkfn]

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

The problem is that apart from Wladimir, not one Heavyweight fighter out there is considered to be "World Class". At some point, these "decent" fighters are going to be considered world class because they're in a shitty era.

Chisora is good. He's entertaining and he always comes to fight. I have alot of respect for guys like that who just want to make a fight. Right now he's on the fringes and I have no problem with him and Fury fighting each other and at some point these "decent" fighters have got to start elimanating each other so we can work out who has the potential to graduate to "World Class". It is time for Fury, Chisora, Wilder, Pulev, Jennings and co to stop with the tomato cans and fight each other.

[Silkeyjoe]

Chisora isnt that good. Who has said he was. Hes decent but nothing special at all, just like Fury. Both are good European title level fighters and fringe world contenders, neither are close to world class.

The problem is that apart from Wladimir, not one Heavyweight fighter out there is considered to be "World Class". At some point, these "decent" fighters are going to be considered world class because they're in a shitty era.

Chisora is good. He's entertaining and he always comes to fight. I have alot of respect for guys like that who just want to make a fight. Right now he's on the fringes and I have no problem with him and Fury fighting each other and at some point these "decent" fighters have got to start elimanating each other so we can work out who has the potential to graduate to "World Class". It is time for Fury, Chisora, Wilder, Pulev, Jennings and co to stop with the tomato cans and fight each other.

My hope is another world class heavyweight comes along (Joshua potentially) and clears up just as Wlad retires so I will never have to resort to considering the likes of Chisora or Fury World class

[bzkfn]

My hope is another world class heavyweight comes along (Joshua potentially) and clears up just as Wlad retires so I will never have to resort to considering the likes of Chisora or Fury World class

I think if Deontay Wilder does a demolition job on Malik Scott people will be forced to take him seriously. His record of knockouts is impressive but he needed a step up. Malik is another of these "decent" fighters in the division and an impressive win will propel Wilder as a serious contender. Bryant Jennings is another one with serious potential. I think we need an American to prove to be World Class so that the Heavyweight division returns to HBO/Showtime in the Main Event. We also need more than one guy on the scene to make it interesting.

[Bo-Bo24]

Apparently this card is on show in America

World Boxing News - Tyson Fury and Dereck Chisora bouts to air in North America on February 15

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Chisora could be in big trouble.

If Johnson is fit he will be able to use the skill he has without chasing Chisora and Don Charles has already said they are concerened about the crowd booing because of Johnsons style and that Chisora will make the fight. Johnson will love this. If European level journeymen can hurt Chisora Johnson will too.

Is Johnson fit?

He could well be. He fought a 10 rounder on the 20th of December and went straight in to another training camp to spar with Artur szpilka so he has stayed training and sharp. He has had 3 weeks notice so a couple of weeks to turn it back up.

Warren will regret this.

Johnson being interviewed in the Spilka camp on the 10th of January http://www.ringpolska.pl/artur-szpil...ebami#comments

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/fres...ennings-234843