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This is doing my head in!
Now we are hearing that maidana manager is meeting al haymon and leonard ellerbe to discuss fight.
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/02/maidanas-manager-to-meet-with-mayweathers-adviser-to-talk-today/
Surely an announcement must happen at the end of this week as theres only 8-9 weeks left until fight!
Please floyd, fight maidana in may and khan in september IF khan can beat his next opponent at WELTERWEIGHT.
Interesting I just figured it was Khan all along n this has just been a big charade as Amir pissed him off somehow or the public's bitching got to Floyd.
It's a tough decision because there really isn't a good fight out there for him.
He's already beat the two cash guys at 154 (Cotto and Alvarez), the two interesting fighters at 147 are fighting each other. Keith Thurman would be an interesting fight but he still coming up and hasn't really proven himself yet.
In the end, it has to be Maidana. I know he's beaten Maidana's style tons of times before, but at least Maidana is ranked at WW (unlike Khan who's never even fought at 147).
Really nobody deserves it more than Danny Garcia but I think they want to build the relationship with PR best, build him into a bigger star so the Floyd fight generates even more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Danny garcia AND timothey bradley!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnReally nobody deserves it more than Danny Garcia but I think they want to build the relationship with PR best, build him into a bigger star so the Floyd fight generates even more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
These two wont happen this year or not at all!
With maidana they could showcase the broner win and perhaps play on the fact that maidana was successful against that style. (Even if broner is flat footed)
Well when you're talking about who's deserving, nobody deserves it more than Tim Bradley.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
To be fair, I think Garcia should have to fight and win at WW before he gets a fight with Mayweather. Doesn't have to be a top 5 guy, but a guy who's legit and tough enough to prove that Garcia can cut it at WW.
Mayweather vs Bradley would have been best case scenario, because Bradley is a PRIME, undefeated legit WW with solid speed and boxing ability, coming off a huge win over JMM.
If he manages to beat Pac (I mean REALLY beat Pac this time, not just get the nod), Mayweather vs Bradley is going to be fucking huge.
This time last year they took ages to announce Guerrero. Then because they'd taken so long they had to tuncate the whole promotion, no press tour etc. and the PPV suffered as a consequence. It looks like they're going to fuck it up again.
Even though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
There is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
Was or is GGG overated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Was mattthsse overated?
Theres alot of overating going on nowadays.
Just can't get pumped about either one frankly. Kind if like just waiting to catch a cab to work and get another day over with. Just a formality feel. Mentally I think Maidana is far more suited to fight him, physically may lean Khan. But the kid is just so tightly wired and a bundle of nerves. Floyd's speed and accuracy should really do a number on that.
danny and tim have both become manny. Floyd will never give any of them a chance. probably scared they have a chance of beating him
;D so Maidana wasn't one of his best wins, yet Maidana is more worthy of fighting Floyd, even though Khan already beat him :headscratch: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by impThere is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
Julio Diaz also nearly beat Shawn whatshisface. The same Shawn whatshisface who would probably also beat Maidana, IMHO ;D
No. He's pretty much the real deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
No, he was just mis-labled as a box-puncher. IMO brawlers are underrated. Plus he lost to a one-time, largely underrated Danny Garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I wouldn't know about that but in Broner's case, yeah. He was a massive hype job who subsequently has his ego inflated all the way up to 147 where in all honestly, he probably could have done with staying between 135-140. I'm not saying he is useless but not having the tools to beat Maidana is not good. Even an old fat Morales pretty much did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
That was 4 years ago, dude. You don't get ranked on what you did 4 years ago, especially when it was a very compeditive fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Since then, Maidana moved up to WW and racked up wins against top opposition and one of boxings most promising rising stars in Broner.
Khan stayed at 140 and got KTFO savagely by Garcia and looked mediocre in his last few fights at 140
It never ceases to amaze me how a lot of boxing fans have no clue about momentum: that boxing is a "what have you done lately" sport, not a "what did you do 4 years ago" sport.
Let's be honest, it's not Floyd that will choose who he fights, it's his paymasters. If Floyd was picking, he'd have picked the winner of his pathetic poll already! What Floyd has done is jump on the bandwagon and basically taken the piss out of these 2 fighters who are showing their desperation and begging to fight him (Khan more so.) I say Khan more so, because Maidana has other options ( Broner rematch) where he can earn decent money.But Khan has put all his eggs in one basket and made himself look a bit of a desperate prick IMO. Khan might as well go on the offensive and start calling Floyd a coward and really abuse him "Fury style"What's he got to lose? If/when he fights him , he's getting beat anyway.
Meanwhile , they're all waiting on tenterhooks, but Floyd is probably already in camp because he knows he's fighting on May 3rd. And his opponent will have a relatively short camp. At the end of the day, what does it matter because the only certainty is that Floyd will win!!!
Maidana has a new trainer that has improved his skills.
Khan has a new trainer that is trying to change what khan won't let go off.
We can all agree khan is super fast and a great boxer. But a khan vs maidana at welterweight would be the time for maidana to shine.
Maidana will be super confident after this win and khan could have fought Alexander but choose to wait for Floyd.
Can we blame khan for waiting?
Biggest payday ever BUT if he would have fought and beat Alexander he would have been in a much better position.
It's to bad nobody else was in the mix all along. Khan and Maidana fighting again would be a lot more interesting than either against Floyd, at least imo. I'm kind of hoping there was some truth to Maidana getting the shot and then Khan vs Broner on the undercard. With Mares in a good fight on the same card, that would sell all around.
If it were about rankings, Floyds resume would look very different. Floyd is doing his best to pick his own opponents and out of the two he has put in front of us, I'd say that not only is Khan the better fighter, he's the bigger draw. Whet its May 5th or December 25th.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerThat was 4 years ago, dude. You don't get ranked on what you did 4 years ago, especially when it was a very compeditive fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Since then, Maidana moved up to WW and racked up wins against top opposition and one of boxings most promising rising stars in Broner.
Khan stayed at 140 and got KTFO savagely by Garcia and looked mediocre in his last few fights at 140
Floyd is not entertaining enough to carry off a big fight. Khan is left in limbo land when he should be fighting. Forget them all I say!
What do you mean by that? When is the last time Floyd fought someone who wasn't ranked in the top 5 at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
It's not strictly about rankings, it's about momentum, heat, whatever you want to call it. Maidana has that with his big upset over Broner. Khan has no momentum; he took a beating from Garcia and then looked lackluster since. He just barely squeaked by Julio Diaz. That's not a performance that gets people excited about you.
Floyd still has four fights left and hes nearly 40.
A piece of him is going in every fight he has...
It should be bradley but lets just enjoy maidana for now as i wont enjoy khan.
It's obvious to me that the next fight should be Bradley or Garcia and yet as usual Mayweather is trying to manipulate the whole thing to his advantage. Sadly, I'll have to watch whoever he fights as I'm hoping one day he'll be knocked the fuck out. Which as a boxing fan I shouldn't be feeling but I can't help it.. Garcia would be a fairly easy fight for him I think but he deserves a shot and the payday I suppose after beating Matthyse… Bradley .. hmm, something tells me he gets the job done.. whoever?
Garcia could have had the fight, he didn't want it. He chose to stay at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan-B-Howell
Maidanas people are saying it's a done deal. I would have preferred Khan but Khan has nobody to blame but himself. When his name came into the picture he was set to fight Alexander. If he lost the fight he would have lost the Mayweather fight but by backing out of it he may have lost the Mayweather fight as well. If he would have beaten Alexander this whole Maidana/Khan debate wouldn't have happened.
Strangely I think Floyd is doing the right thing by picking Maidana even though I prefer the Khan fight.(if indeed he picks Maidana) Khan manipulated the vote. All other polls that Khan didn't rally the troops to had Maidana winning. By that without manipulation the fans clearly prefer Maidana.
I don't really care because neither beats Floyd. But Khan has embarrassed himself in his attempts to talk his way into the fight. If he was trying to tough talk his way it could be written off as just how it goes in boxing. But the way Khan has gone about it is pathetic, he come off a beggar.
Lets get something straight...whether one style MIGHT give Floyd a tougher fight....who DESERVES to fight him more? The answer is Maidana. As far as Khan being the bigger draw...i say BS. Amir is not Ricky Hatton. This fight will take place on Cinco De Mayo...and Mexican fans respect/will back Marcos...especially after his win over Broner. I think Mayweather vs. Maidana...with Broner vs. Khan as one of the undercards is a win win. Floyd faces a guy on a hot streak. Meanwhile Broner/Khan can fight it out for redemption/momentum. Make it happen!
1. Maidana hasnt done well at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThere is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
2. Maidana lost 2 of his biggest fights at 140 including to Khan
3. If u want to call Diaz a lightweight, then Maidana's last win was against a Super-Feather
4. Maidana bearly beat Morales who is about 10 years past his prime
5. Maidana has never avenged his losses
There is that arguement.
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.[/QUOTE]
1. Maidana hasnt done well at 147.
2. Maidana lost 2 of his biggest fights at 140 including to Khan
3. If u want to call Diaz a lightweight, then Maidana's last win was against a Super-Feather
4. Maidana bearly beat Morales who is about 10 years past his prime
5. Maidana has never avenged his losses[/QUOTE]
Imp wins point 1
Khan was the better fighter at 140lb - point bzkfn
Broner will never fight at super feather again - point imp
Maidana victory was better point imp
Draw who cares if they never avenge their losses.
The battle is declared a draw. :cool:
Maidana has slightly improved though..Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn1. Maidana hasnt done well at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThere is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
2. Maidana lost 2 of his biggest fights at 140 including to Khan
3. If u want to call Diaz a lightweight, then Maidana's last win was against a Super-Feather
4. Maidana bearly beat Morales who is about 10 years past his prime
5. Maidana has never avenged his losses
Cant change khan.
Perhaps khan should be fighting maidana in may.
It's all about what's fresh in peoples minds. Maidana just came off a huge, entertaining, and emphatic win over a big name opponent that was supposed to be the next big thing. He is on a 4 fight win streak...most by KO/TKO. Khan has not looked impressive in a LONG time...even when he has won. Add to it that people are overselling Khan's PPV popularity (he is not Hatton)...Maidana deserves this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn1. Maidana hasnt done well at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThere is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
2. Maidana lost 2 of his biggest fights at 140 including to Khan
3. If u want to call Diaz a lightweight, then Maidana's last win was against a Super-Feather
4. Maidana bearly beat Morales who is about 10 years past his prime
5. Maidana has never avenged his losses
Its the freshness that people have remembered and making a story of how big bro will be defending lil bro will add to the all access episodes and increase sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinIt's all about what's fresh in peoples minds. Maidana just came off a huge, entertaining, and emphatic win over a big name opponent that was supposed to be the next big thing. He is on a 4 fight win streak...most by KO/TKO. Khan has not looked impressive in a LONG time...even when he has won. Add to it that people are overselling Khan's PPV popularity (he is not Hatton)...Maidana deserves this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn1. Maidana hasnt done well at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThere is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
2. Maidana lost 2 of his biggest fights at 140 including to Khan
3. If u want to call Diaz a lightweight, then Maidana's last win was against a Super-Feather
4. Maidana bearly beat Morales who is about 10 years past his prime
5. Maidana has never avenged his losses
I agree with your last statement. Truth be told I don't think either of them deserve this fight. I was just making the point that most of the things you said about Khan you could also say about Maidana. The only reason Maidana's win against Broner was considered such an upset is that he'd choked in every big fight previous to this. Boxers generally make him look stupid. Khan isn't going to improve, you're right, but he is electric on the attack and his fights are almost always exciting. I don't get all the hate with him. He's entertaining. As a boxing fan you should love guys who are all or nothing like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by impMaidana has slightly improved though..Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn1. Maidana hasnt done well at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThere is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
2. Maidana lost 2 of his biggest fights at 140 including to Khan
3. If u want to call Diaz a lightweight, then Maidana's last win was against a Super-Feather
4. Maidana bearly beat Morales who is about 10 years past his prime
5. Maidana has never avenged his losses
Cant change khan.
Perhaps khan should be fighting maidana in may.
How much longer can they wait to announce his next fight ? I'm starting to think he might pull out and just fight in September
I do like khan and he is exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI agree with your last statement. Truth be told I don't think either of them deserve this fight. I was just making the point that most of the things you said about Khan you could also say about Maidana. The only reason Maidana's win against Broner was considered such an upset is that he'd choked in every big fight previous to this. Boxers generally make him look stupid. Khan isn't going to improve, you're right, but he is electric on the attack and his fights are almost always exciting. I don't get all the hate with him. He's entertaining. As a boxing fan you should love guys who are all or nothing like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by impMaidana has slightly improved though..Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn1. Maidana hasnt done well at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by impThere is that arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusEven though Khan has already beat Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Is Maidana rated simply becuase he beat Bronner? Isn't Bronner just a bit overrated?
Didn't a fat Morales nearly beat Maidana?
Seriously???
Then theres the arguement of:-
1. Khan has never fought at 147
2. Khan has lost two of his biggest fights at 140.
3. Khans last wins were against lightweights
4. Khan nearly lost in last fight to a past prime by 8 yrs lightweight.
5. Khan hasnt fought for ten months
6. Khan is a spoilt brat.
7. Khan has never avenged his losses.
2. Maidana lost 2 of his biggest fights at 140 including to Khan
3. If u want to call Diaz a lightweight, then Maidana's last win was against a Super-Feather
4. Maidana bearly beat Morales who is about 10 years past his prime
5. Maidana has never avenged his losses
Cant change khan.
Perhaps khan should be fighting maidana in may.
I just feel that a boxers age isnt always prime related.
Khan has been in some tough battles and the biggest point for me as someone mentioned is the fact he chose to sat on his arse for ten months and expect the mayweather fight.
Your right, they both dont deserve it but this is all we have right now.
Maidana does deserve the fight. He just beat up Adrian Broner. Anyway why does anyone have to be deserving to fight Mayweather. If you are fighting at world championship level in the toughest divisions in boxing you deserve whatever match up comes your way.