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I feel weight classes should be changed!
Don't you have a problem with all of these weight divisions? And guys consistently not making weight?
We have too many to serve and useful purpose. JMO...
Mini Flyweight (IBF/WBO)
Mini Flyweight (IBF/WBO)
Strawweight (WBC)
Minimumweight (WBA) 7½ st 47,627 kg 105 lbs
Junior Flyweight (WBO/IBF)
Light Flyweight (WBA/WBC) 7st 10 lbs 48,988 kg 108 lbs
Flyweight 8 st 50,802 kg 112 lbs
Super Flyweight (WBA/WBC)
Junior Bantamweight (WBO/IBF) 8 st 3 lbs 52,163 kg 115 lbs
Bantamweight 8 st 6 lbs 53,525 kg 118 lbs
Super Bantamweight (WBA/WBC)
Junior Featherweight (WBO/IBF) 8 st 10 lbs 55,225 kg 122 lbs
Featherweight 9 st 57,153 kg 126 lbs
Super Featherweight (WBA/WBC)
Junior Lightweight (WBO/IBF) 9 st 4 lbs 58,967 kg 130 lbs
Lightweight 9 st 9 lbs 61,235 kg 135 lbs
Super Lightweight (WBA/WBC)
Junior Welterweight (WBO/IBF) 10 st 63,503 kg 140 lbs
Welterweight 10½ st 66,678 kg 147 lbs
Super Welterweight (WBA/WBC)
Junior Middleweight (WBO/IBF) 11 st 69,85 kg 154 lbs
Middleweight 11 st 6 lbs 72,574 kg 160 lbs
Super Middleweight 12 st 76,203 kg 168 lbs
Light Heavyweight 12½ st 79,378 kg 175 lbs
Cruiserweight (WBA/WBC/IBF)
Junior Heavyweight (WBO) 14 st 4 lbs 90,892 kg 200 lbs
Heavyweight > 14 st 4 lbs > 90,892 kg > 200 lbs
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Re: I feel weight classes should be changed!
My weight class:
I'd take out the Straw and Minimum and start at Flyweight at 110 lbs
I'd also take out Junior Feather, Junior Welter and Jr Middle...
Keep Super Middle at 168 to 175
Combine Cruiser and LH at 180 to 195/200...
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Weight classes are there for a reason to protect fighters and minimize the unfair advantage.
Canelo never made weight by a pound but the extra 100k is sure to make angulo happy.
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I've always wondered if introducing a 'Super Heavyweight' divison could help make the higher weight classes a bit more competetive.
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Bo-Bo24
I've always wondered if introducing a 'Super Heavyweight' divison could help make the higher weight classes a bit more competetive.
The heavyweight division is iconic so they would never do that. They should lift the cruisierweight limit.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Bo-Bo24
I've always wondered if introducing a 'Super Heavyweight' divison could help make the higher weight classes a bit more competetive.
The heavyweight division is iconic so they would never do that. They should lift the cruisierweight limit.
Sure nothing would be done, I think its just worth the debate considering the size of the new breed of heavyweight.
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Originally Posted by
imp
Weight classes are there for a reason to protect fighters and minimize the unfair advantage.
Canelo never made weight by a pound but the extra 100k is sure to make angulo happy.
There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.
Some of these "Jr." titles- Welter, Feather, etc... can be deduced in simpler form.
The cruiser weight division can easily be combined with the LH....
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Re: I feel weight classes should be changed!
the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.
Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?
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Originally Posted by
X
the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.
Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?
That could be more to do with not having same day weigh in than nutrition.
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Originally Posted by
X
the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.
Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?
Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.
The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.
If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
X
the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.
Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?
That could be more to do with not having same day weigh in than nutrition.
... and the main reason why they changed same day weigh in was because of health concerns and fighters weight draining, that and "time"... so, what exactly do we want?!!?
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Re: I feel weight classes should be changed!
Basillio was built like a truck how can you say he was not well defined?
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Originally Posted by
Master
Basillio was built like a truck how can you say he was not well defined?
There is a difference between looking in shape, being in shape, being well defined, and having the strength and conditioning at a certain weight.
Basillio had a great physique. Meaning he was well defined and had conditioning to a certain degree. But when we compare him to a today's MW- from Hopkins, to RJJ, to GGG to even Ward and Dirrell, he would not last because he would be fighting unusually stronger and conditioned athletes.
It's not the same....
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Master
Basillio was built like a truck how can you say he was not well defined?
There is a difference between looking in shape, being in shape, being well defined, and having the strength and conditioning at a certain weight.
Basillio had a great physique. Meaning he was well defined and had conditioning to a certain degree. But when we compare him to a today's MW- from Hopkins, to RJJ, to GGG to even Ward and Dirrell, he would not last because he would be fighting unusually stronger and conditioned athletes.
It's not the same....
Disagree. Obviously Hopkins and Jones are greats but Bassilio was built like Abraham's. Talent is one think, physique is another.
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Re: I feel weight classes should be changed!
Id just have 9 divisions.
Heavy
Cruiser
Light Heavy
Middle
Welter
Light
Feather
Bantom
Fly
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Re: I feel weight classes should be changed!
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
X
the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.
Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?
Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.
The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.
If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.
Maybe they would fight in their actual weight class ;D
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Originally Posted by
La Cucaracha
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
X
the weight divisions HAVE all changed ..... Huge advances in diet, training and nutrition as well as the changes to weigh in times mean that the fighters competing in each division are generally much bigger than the guys from the past.
Does anyone really think that Sergio Martinez is the same size as Carmen Basilio, for example?
Exactly my point.... the average middle weight today has better formed muscles, more attention to his diet and different lifestyle habits.
The entire game changed in the mid-80's- not because of the changes in the day you weigh the men, but the way we changed as a human race- physiology wise.
If you went back to the same day weigh in you would have NO FIGHTS.... no one would make weight.
Maybe they would fight in their actual weight class ;D
lol. Point taken.
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im not convinced that the human race changed in the 1980s.
Basilio was about 5 foot 6, Martinez is 5 foot 10.
Middleweights today are not really middleweights.
Look at Canelo, he was actually fighting as a light heavy in yesterday's 'junior middleweight' fight.
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X
im not convinced that the human race changed in the 1980s.
Basilio was about 5 foot 6, Martinez is 5 foot 10.
Middleweights today are not really middleweights.
Look at Canelo, he was actually fighting as a light heavy in yesterday's 'junior middleweight' fight.
Did not realise Basillio was that short, no wonder he was stocky. Canelo was huge then. Same day weight in would make it fairer.
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.
As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.
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Originally Posted by
Britkid
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.
As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.
But how was that measured? Is it effective weight? I dunno?!?! I don't see a big difference between a guy fighting at 105 and 115. There isn't that much difference.... jmo....
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Bo-Bo24
I've always wondered if introducing a 'Super Heavyweight' divison could help make the higher weight classes a bit more competetive.
It would make little, indeed perhaps no difference. I remember when the (then) 190/195lbs division was created in the late 70s, supposedly to help 'small Heavyweights'. The reality was that it became a division for big/lazy Light Heavies.
The Heavyweight division pays more. If you are a 210lber and have the chance to fight a fellow 210lber for £50,000-£75,000 or have a £500,000+ pay day fighting a 250lbs Klitschko, I know what most would do, no matter what it is called...
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As for weigh ins I too would bring back same day weigh ins. But I would make things safer by having an official weigh in two days prior, when a fighter must be within 3% of the contracted weight, or the fight loses it's title status, but there could be negotiations to decide if the fight could go ahead.
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Britkid
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.
As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.
But how was that measured? Is it effective weight? I dunno?!?! I don't see a big difference between a guy fighting at 105 and 115. There isn't that much difference.... jmo....
My point is (using your example), a 105lbs man has put on 9.5% more weight to get up to 115lbs. But a 160lbs man only needs to put on 6.25% more weight to make 170lbs. That is why there is a smaller gap in the weight divisions at the lighter weights.
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Originally Posted by
Britkid
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Britkid
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
There is little to no difference between the minimum weights to flyweight... some are only by three of four pounds. Useless.
As a percentage of body weight it is not that much different than all the others up to Light Heavyweight.
But how was that measured? Is it effective weight? I dunno?!?! I don't see a big difference between a guy fighting at 105 and 115. There isn't that much difference.... jmo....
My point is (using your example), a 105lbs man has put on 9.5% more weight to get up to 115lbs. But a 160lbs man only needs to put on 6.25% more weight to make 170lbs. That is why there is a smaller gap in the weight divisions at the lighter weights.
But the underpinning rationale doesn't equate to effectiveness in the ring in many instances... a Super Feather can compete, and have competed, really well against Jr. Middle's...
Minimum weights have come up and looked impressive against Lightweights and Featherweights....
Jr. Middle's and below- or at least guys that started below and at Jr. Middle- don't seem to be effective when they go up to Super Middle, all except the odd exception in RJJ who went all the way up to HW.
These classes need to be re-classified.
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Bo-Bo24
I've always wondered if introducing a 'Super Heavyweight' divison could help make the higher weight classes a bit more competetive.
A better classification would be "Super Pussyweight".
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I could live with the 17 weights if we could get back to the same day weigh in.
Same day weigh in protects both fighters, adding 24 hrs plus between the weigh in and the fight protects the bigger guy from the smaller guy by giving him more time to rehydrate.
Now they have some BS about not rehydrating beyond a certain %. Fuck that noise man, make the weight the morning of the fight or you lose. That would put fighters in their proper weight class, pronto.
