Foreman & Hopkins in their 40s- whose run was more impressive?

Im more impressed by what Foreman did in his 40s... what about u?

Hopkins :cool:

hop easy higher ranked opposition and schulz got shafted against foreman if i remember, granted i was all of ten years old

I dont know.

Hopkins is still fighting and beating proper elite fighters but its nice to know its possible for an older man to still be an absolute tank that can take anything thrown at him and hurt people bad.

We all want to be Foreman when we are old, someone no one will fuck with. Hopkins wouldnt want to fight a 46 year old Foreman;)

Hopkins by far is more impressive. The dude is almost 50 and schooling ranked fighters mentally and physically. And no one has knocked the old man out yet either. Hopkins = Badass.

Foreman's is more impressive.

The World Heavyweight Champ is the King of Boxing, and none of these lighter-weight class Champions can f*<k with the Heavyweight Champ of the World.

I was so glad to see BHop give Pavlik a boxing lesson.

Wasn't Hopkins a 3:1 underdog going into that fight at least?

Hopkins by far. Foreman won the world championship but looked like shit in the process, lost every round then got a one-punch KO because he has freakish power.

Hopkins is fighting at near 50 and he's outworking these young guys and seems to be quicker as well.

Foreman was the most impressive by far! Don't forget that he was away from boxing for years. He came back, had some tough fights and captured a belt.
Impressed the hell out me!

The thing is that Hopkins isn't done yet, the SOB might fight on into his late 50s.
He is impressive too.

World Heavyweight Champ in the 1970s, a Golden era of Heavyweights, then 10 years retirement from 1977 to 1987, and reclaiming the World Heavyweight Championship 21 years later during another Golden era of Heavyweights in the 90s is more impressive.

No midget can compete with the Heavyweight Champ.
Big George Foreman would literally crush any of these lighter-weight class World Champs. The Heavyweight being the best fighter is why weight-classes were invented.

Nothing but tremendous respect for both. Honestly I enjoyed Foreman's geezer run more, but the unbroken longevity and consistency of Hopkins is more impressive to me. He never left. Foreman is the jolly old man you want as a next door neighbor, though he could be surly underneath. Hopkins is the uptight loud guy who parks his car along yours to block you in just so you'll have to go knock on his door and explain why you took his spot. Foreman was a great shot in the arm for the game then.

Big George's by FAR

Hop. George had a tremendous punch n could take some punishment, but what Hop is doing is pure greatness. Literally winning off if boxing IQ and nothing else. The guy is slower, doesn't hit as hard, slower reflexes/reaction time, and while in shape for 50, has reduced stamina yet schools guys half his age and ruins them mentally. He's an amazing fighter.

Foremans comeback was remarkable.

But it's definitely Hopkins finite and not even close.

Foreman's 2nd career has also been described as a bit average as well. He was outclassed by Holyfield and Morrison, was getting wasted by Moorer too until Michael's stupidity got him tagged good, got bested by Axel who was robbed.

In fact the only other win bar the Moorer fluke and Schultz robbery that was against a top opponent was Shannon Briggs in which Foreman himself was robbed. Briggs was not exactly a consistent technician though. I also think his performances against Grimsley and Savarese were soso and questionable respectively.

Foreman's experience and newfound ring IQ coupled with his strength, power and chin were the mainstays of success which happen to all carry well into advanced age when the weight had increased to 260lbs!

While Foreman was surely no fluke through the entire run, he surely was a little lucky vs. Moorer- thanks to Moorer's idiocy. lololol....

Hop at least keeps his titles. Keeps them in a faster and more fluid division. Foreman was dealing with slow pokes who only knew how to punch hard up to the 5th round- after that, they were tired as hell and lost steam.

I'd say B-Hop. But Foreman was phenomenal. It took great courage to do what he did.

George Foreman because he took so much time off and came back ans mange to win the belt. Losing to Morrison who was scared to death of fighting him close but was a pretty good fighter at the time so not that bad for him. Holyfeild is a top ten atg heavyweight in prime so no big deal he lost to him either really either because he was a great and younger. Lhw division is pretty weak right now and Foreman kinda was competing in a division which is the best the heavy's had really seen in his 40's and after taking like over ten years off that takes some balls to do and being hw champ to says your the best.

It's fair to say Foremans run was awesome as well but I didn't see him beat any top tier boxers of the 90's and didn't see him fight the good+big men like Riddick or Lennox or Tyson.

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It's fair to say Foremans run was awesome as well but I didn't see him beat any top tier boxers of the 90's and didn't see him fight the good+big men like Riddick or Lennox or Tyson.

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It's fair to say Foremans run was awesome as well but I didn't see him beat any top tier boxers of the 90's and didn't see him fight the good+big men like Riddick or Lennox or Tyson.

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Yes, yes... there was Michael Moorer.. Credit to the big man there. But I'm not sure that "win" constitutes an amazing effort.

I think maybe Moorer standing in front of the giant puncher who's basically only chance was a good shot, despite endless warnings about such thing from his usually moronic but this time on the money trainer at the time is a bit ridiculous.

Moorer's loss was through his own extreme arrogance, a bit like his opponents loss was about 20 years earlier.

Hopkins is far more impressive. Foreman handpicked his opponents and openly avoided Lewis. Hopkins would never did that. Even when he knew he was going to lose against Taylor, Dawson and Joe he took them on and only their youth and out put beat him.

How did Foreman avoid Lewis exactly i mean he was robbed against Briggs or he could of fought him am i right or did i miss something. As for Calzaghe he was 36 and his whole style was based on output and speed and that is the first thing to go far from a young man. Foreman fought Moorer, Morrison, Briggs and a prime fucking Holyfeild after not boxing for over a decade against top guys. He came back won the belt in the deepest division of heavyweights at 45 after not fighting for over a decade that's fucking nuts. I mean not like he kept fighting he just took a huge time off and then became hw champ that shit will most likely not happen again a Champ regains his title 20 years later that is more epic to me then anything Hopkins did i also put a lot more weight on Being the Hw champ because your the top dog pretty much as well.

Also not to put Lewis down because he a great champ but he had been knocked out by McCall the rematch just showed McCall had drug problems. Then he had a fight with mercer which he could of easly lost not like he was the champ he would become when Foreman had the strap.

You must have missed Foreman openly say he was never fighting Lewis. Too young and dangerous for him.

Did he say it in a interview maybe i did miss it but his comp was as good as any Hopkins is fighting. i Mean do think any of this Lhw he is fighting are even on a Level of Lewis. I bet you if Michael Spinks was champ and young and old Hopkins would retire shit a young one would not even get in the ring.

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Did he say it in a interview maybe i did miss it but his comp was as good as any Hopkins is fighting. i Mean do think any of this Lhw he is fighting are even on a Level of Lewis. I bet you if Michael Spinks was champ and young and old Hopkins would retire shit a young one would not even get in the ring.

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140 he said it in basically every interview surrounding the topic of Lennox Lewis. I am surprise you could have missed it.

The fighters you listed Foreman faced in a previous list he mostly LOST to or struggled with so I don't see how that is comparable with Hopkins.

Michael Moorer victory was a fluke, I'm certain most times Moorer would have beaten him. Old man Foreman is always gonna be a tough fight for anybody but I didn't see him fight Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe or Lennox Lewis. He even ducked Larry Holmes!

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Did he say it in a interview maybe i did miss it but his comp was as good as any Hopkins is fighting. i Mean do think any of this Lhw he is fighting are even on a Level of Lewis. I bet you if Michael Spinks was champ and young and old Hopkins would retire shit a young one would not even get in the ring.

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Yes he said it many times that he would not fight Lewis.

I still think Hopkins opponent are better than the 2nd tier fighters George fought.

Master u r correct. Not even disputable. Moorer had a china chin, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Mortison were club fighters at best. Briggs is a joke. Evander was good but George lost clearly in that one. Cooney was a dinosaur, and Bert Cooper was too small and high on drugs.

Compare that to Pascal, Cloud, Beibut, Pavilik, Joe C, Tarver, Dawson n soon Stevenson. How many P4P ranked (at the time of the fight) is in that list? Multiple, n I forgot to mention Winky on that list as well. Really, Hop was already old at 36 when he destroyed Tito, but I wanted to limit it to guys he fought while over 40.

The one guy Georfe fought who was ranked p4p at the time they fought was Evander n he lost that one. George is an ATG heavyweight n a great man, but not anywhere near Hop in terms of accomplishment. Hop is a master at his craft. Too bad boxing fans today don't know enough about the sport to appreciate it.

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Master u r correct. Not even disputable. Moorer had a china chin, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Mortison were club fighters at best. Briggs is a joke. Evander was good but George lost clearly in that one. Cooney was a dinosaur, and Bert Cooper was too small and high on drugs.

Compare that to Pascal, Cloud, Beibut, Pavilik, Joe C, Tarver, Dawson n soon Stevenson. How many P4P ranked (at the time of the fight) is in that list? Multiple, n I forgot to mention Winky on that list as well. Really, Hop was already old at 36 when he destroyed Tito, but I wanted to limit it to guys he fought while over 40.

The one guy Georfe fought who was ranked p4p at the time they fought was Evander n he lost that one. George is an ATG heavyweight n a great man, but not anywhere near Hop in terms of accomplishment. Hop is a master at his craft. Too bad boxing fans today don't know enough about the sport to appreciate it.

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Hopkins run has lasted longer and is more impressive.


However, Tommy Morrison was NOT a club fighter. He was a top contender and WBO champ.

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Master u r correct. Not even disputable. Moorer had a china chin, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Mortison were club fighters at best. Briggs is a joke. Evander was good but George lost clearly in that one. Cooney was a dinosaur, and Bert Cooper was too small and high on drugs.

Compare that to Pascal, Cloud, Beibut, Pavilik, Joe C, Tarver, Dawson n soon Stevenson. How many P4P ranked (at the time of the fight) is in that list? Multiple, n I forgot to mention Winky on that list as well. Really, Hop was already old at 36 when he destroyed Tito, but I wanted to limit it to guys he fought while over 40.

The one guy Georfe fought who was ranked p4p at the time they fought was Evander n he lost that one. George is an ATG heavyweight n a great man, but not anywhere near Hop in terms of accomplishment. Hop is a master at his craft. Too bad boxing fans today don't know enough about the sport to appreciate it.

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Hopkins run has lasted longer and is more impressive.


However, Tommy Morrison was NOT a club fighter. He was a top contender and WBO champ.

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Tommy would be a great fighter today but in that period he would be a fringe contender.

Why would you bring up pound for pound because that pretty much never is going to be a heavyweight on there kinda silly bring up. Like me saying i think Moorer can beat any of the guys Hopkins ever did because he a heavyweight and would most kill them Foreman run with wait was pretty damn good.

Foremans time off after finding god at the end of Youngs fist can just as easily delete him from the question. Hopkins has fought non stop almost as long as Archie Moore and has accomplished much more in the process.

Hopkins and its not all that close.

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Master u r correct. Not even disputable. Moorer had a china chin, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Mortison were club fighters at best. Briggs is a joke. Evander was good but George lost clearly in that one. Cooney was a dinosaur, and Bert Cooper was too small and high on drugs.

Compare that to Pascal, Cloud, Beibut, Pavilik, Joe C, Tarver, Dawson n soon Stevenson. How many P4P ranked (at the time of the fight) is in that list? Multiple, n I forgot to mention Winky on that list as well. Really, Hop was already old at 36 when he destroyed Tito, but I wanted to limit it to guys he fought while over 40.

The one guy Georfe fought who was ranked p4p at the time they fought was Evander n he lost that one. George is an ATG heavyweight n a great man, but not anywhere near Hop in terms of accomplishment. Hop is a master at his craft. Too bad boxing fans today don't know enough about the sport to appreciate it.

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Hopkins run has lasted longer and is more impressive.


However, Tommy Morrison was NOT a club fighter. He was a top contender and WBO champ.

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Morrison proved legit in the short aftermath but had Hell with guys a top contender should not have in Williams and Hipp just prior. Arum saw a money fiesta that could not lose, and a chance for Tommy to take his ranking. Seems some always forget about the Stewart fight that left Foreman a mashed up mess, that was razor thin. I think Morrison studied that one..he boxed with a nice jab v Foreman. Kept a level smart head.

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Master u r correct. Not even disputable. Moorer had a china chin, Axel Schulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Mortison were club fighters at best. Briggs is a joke. Evander was good but George lost clearly in that one. Cooney was a dinosaur, and Bert Cooper was too small and high on drugs.

Compare that to Pascal, Cloud, Beibut, Pavilik, Joe C, Tarver, Dawson n soon Stevenson. How many P4P ranked (at the time of the fight) is in that list? Multiple, n I forgot to mention Winky on that list as well. Really, Hop was already old at 36 when he destroyed Tito, but I wanted to limit it to guys he fought while over 40.

The one guy Georfe fought who was ranked p4p at the time they fought was Evander n he lost that one. George is an ATG heavyweight n a great man, but not anywhere near Hop in terms of accomplishment. Hop is a master at his craft. Too bad boxing fans today don't know enough about the sport to appreciate it.

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Hopkins run has lasted longer and is more impressive.


However, Tommy Morrison was NOT a club fighter. He was a top contender and WBO champ.

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Morrison proved legit in the short aftermath but had Hell with guys a top contender should not have in Williams and Hipp just prior. Arum saw a money fiesta that could not lose, and a chance for Tommy to take his ranking. Seems some always forget about the Stewart fight that left Foreman a mashed up mess, that was razor thin. I think Morrison studied that one..he boxed with a nice jab v Foreman. Kept a level smart head.

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Yes, Foreman picked Tommy because he thought he would come to him and had a weak chin. That fight did not plan out as Big George expected.

Foreman was a better champion. Hop is a clown. Why else would you choose to wear an alien mask. He's a marvel because of his age. He's a sideshow. A guiness book of records freakshow.

I love Foreman, he's a good fella.

But come off the grass, Hopkins is a superb boxer.

George Foreman always was nothing more than a big guy with a big punch and a solid chin!

He did not even learn HOW to box UNTIL he was in his 40's!

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Foreman was a better champion. Hop is a clown. Why else would you choose to wear an alien mask. He's a marvel because of his age. He's a sideshow. A guiness book of records freakshow.

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How was Foreman a better champion? He was a poor champion.

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Foreman was a better champion. Hop is a clown. Why else would you choose to wear an alien mask. He's a marvel because of his age. He's a sideshow. A guiness book of records freakshow.

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How was Foreman a better champion? He was a poor champion.

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Yes and some have called Foreman's return a sideshow also.

He only defended that title twice in the 70's against Ken Norton and Jose Roman (one of the saddest boxing matches I have ever seen!)

Then after he won the title via getting the shit punched out of him and scoring a lucky shot against a stupid opponent he declined to face his mandatories and trickled all his belts away.

Sorry but that's not a really great champion.

I think Moored never fought a top 10 fighter to get his title shot. He beat Holyfield who was one punch away from a heart attack and had an injured shoulder. Even then Holyfield put Moorer down.