1. Old Age
2. Underestimating Maidana
3. Distractions due to situation with his ex-fiance
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1. Old Age
2. Underestimating Maidana
3. Distractions due to situation with his ex-fiance
I'll say 2 because he thought he could stay right in front of him. I thought he could too. But Marcos has gotten so much better. I thought it was an illusion but it isn't. He has a good jab now. Combine that with power and a will to walk through walls and you have something.
The very few times Floyd moved laterally it was one sided but face to face it was even and awesome.
I agree with old age and underestimating Maidana.
THE biggest reason though was Maidana showing NO RESPECT and NO FEAR.
No one has done that in many years, even Cotto showed Floyd a great deal of respect.
Floyd did not have the intimidation/ invincible factor going for him this time. That's how upsets happen. 40 or more of 45 opponents never truly believed they could win.
Maidana believed.
I don't think he struggled all that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
He landed some serious combos and bodyshots while defending well off the ropes.
Maidana didn't really land all that much.
Dude, he landed like 225 punches. Who lands 225 punches on Floyd? Give Maidana the respect he earned.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI don't think he struggled all that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
He landed some serious combos and bodyshots while defending well off the ropes.
Maidana didn't really land all that much.
I had this fight scored a draw.... if Maidana had won rounds 11 like he did 12, he would have won by one point on my cards.
With that being said, I knew it would have gone something like this. Maidana is good at what he does, and Floyd can't deal very well with volume punchers- Maidana, Manny, Agustus were volume punchers.
When you can average 60 punches a round against Floyd, you are in the fight. For real.
Maidana didn't land all that much. It wasn't that close
Mayweather struggle is part illusion. Maidana did well. He pressure Mayweather and landed his punches. The fact that it's been years since anybody did that to Floyd makes many believe he really struggled. In reality he didn't struggle. He was just in a hard fight. Boxing is suppose to be hard. It's just been so easy for him for so long it's a shock when he has a hard one
He didn't land as much as he should've. Those clubbing overhand punches against the ropes were worthless. What he should've done is stepped back and evened out his shots and focused on the body more against the ropes. That being said, Floud did feel his power and showed it by grasping.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
He didn't land anywhere near 225 punches....get your eyes checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonDude, he landed like 225 punches. Who lands 225 punches on Floyd? Give Maidana the respect he earned.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI don't think he struggled all that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
He landed some serious combos and bodyshots while defending well off the ropes.
Maidana didn't really land all that much.
Floyd had the better body attack by far and landed the cleanest and HARDEST punches.
Mayweather didn't get hit with anything stupid.
Floyd beat Maidana at his own game.
Maidana had all the chances he could ask for and couldn't get it done.
Compubox says 221. That's quite close to 225 hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneHe didn't land anywhere near 225 punches....get your eyes checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonDude, he landed like 225 punches. Who lands 225 punches on Floyd? Give Maidana the respect he earned.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI don't think he struggled all that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
He landed some serious combos and bodyshots while defending well off the ropes.
Maidana didn't really land all that much.
Floyd had the better body attack by far and landed the cleanest and HARDEST punches.
Mayweather didn't get hit with anything stupid.
Floyd beat Maidana at his own game.
Maidana had all the chances he could ask for and couldn't get it done.
I agree Floyd landed the harder body shots but Maidana got inn a few good one and a lot of others.
I agree Floyd landed the cleaner and harder shots. That's why he won.
But that doesn't mean it wasn't a good hard fight.
I think age was a factor as well as maidana's size advantage. Floyd deserved to win but it was definitely his toughest fight in a long time. Maidana has a good enough chin to be able to take some of mayweathers shots and keep pressuring him. He is also pretty quick unlike canelo who didn't have the speed to catch mayweather.
Floyd was landing good counter shots to the body off the ropes...those were hardly "worthless".Scoring blows are never worthless in a prize-fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyV297He didn't land as much as he should've. Those clubbing overhand punches against the ropes were worthless. What he should've done is stepped back and evened out his shots and focused on the body more against the ropes. That being said, Floud did feel his power and showed it by grasping.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Not as dominant as I expected (I thought it might be a late KO) but still a clear victory for Floyd (some wad reckons it was a "draw" above, must be C J Ross's husband lol).
You should have added a FOURTH possibility...
Imo the most accurate one...
4. Maybe, just maybe, he had a bad night.. And maybe in addition, Marcos had a good night. That's life!
Seems like a passable reason to me for the champ.
But credit to Maidana, he's no fluke now, he's a serious factor in the division.
His performance against Floyd will probably make Broner feel a little better now LOL. Maybe we'll hear that mouth open again soon!! ;D
^^^^Real talk....And that's coming from a guy that doesn't even like Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I didn't see Floyd get hit with anything silly...and as Broner can tell you...Maidana throws from some silly angles.
What did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
She carried Maidana all the way to the final bell... to make it seem like this fight was competitive. Meanwhile, Maidana made sure that his right hand hit nothing but air... all twelve rounds. A sleeper of a fight!
His opponent. Floyd didn't "choose" anything here. He was in a fight
Also, Beiber ffs and literally surrounding himself with clowns
I agree with the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I also would like to know whether floyd HAD to go to the ropes or CHOSE to go to the ropes...just like with cotto he might have chose to exchange more but I had this fight alot closer..7-5 floyd.
Maidana landed over 200 punches against one of the most effective defensive savvy fighters in the world. He outlanded Mayweather in half the rounds. He did effective work on the inside and outside, just as Mayweather did in the rounds he did well in.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
In response to the OP, I think Mayweather prepares hard for every fight, but perhaps expected Maidana to be on the level of Guerrero and be coming at him slow and be countered accordingly. Maybe also with thoughts of Gatti in mind too. However, Mayweather is 37 and at the lighter weights fighters always slip at around this age. Mayweather got Mosley at the right time and in turn Maidana got Mayweather at the right time. I don't think Mayweather has his legs for 3 minutes a round anymore and only became semi-elusive after Maidana had worked so hard in the first half of the fight. I think it is just down to age. Cotto showed glimpses of it and now a few years on I think there is further erosion.
I know that sounds like I am discrediting Maidana, who I think actually won the fight, but I don't think he would have walked through the Mayweather of 2008 so easily. Maidana is awkward and difficult, but Amir Khan showed for the first half of their fight how to evade him. Maidana has probably improved too, but advanced age can only mean deterioration for Mayweather too. The man has a practically white beard, he is aging and auditioning for the role of King Lear.
Mayweather was getting ploughed from the off here. I hate to say it, but I think Khan could also outwork Mayweather. He is just old and I don't think he is Calzaghe smart in knowing when to get out. Maybe he flattens Maidana in the rematch, but he is only going to get older. Sam Peter was never as skilled as James Toney, but younger and bigger will happen to someone who doesn't get out at the right time.
Just look at my charming signature image and compare that with the face of Mayweather today. That's a lot of years no matter how well you preserve yourself. 37. I think the same about Marquez today and don't see why he is continuing. Boxers seldom cut the scene with the perfect ending.
Pretty much this. I had it 9-3 for Mayweather. Maidana did ok. But he also cheated a lot. Headbutts, low blows and at one point he tried to knee Mayweather. Somehow, that translates to Maidana showing effective aggression. In reality, effective aggression still has to allow you to land punched for it to be effective. Nullyfying someone by keeping them on the ropes doesn't win you rounds unless you land cleanly, especially when Mayweather still finds time to land a couple of really clean combos. This happened in probably 10 of the 12 rounds, and in at least 4 or 5 of the rounds, Maidana was visibly outclassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It just wasn't close. It was competitive. I don't particularly want to see a rematch. It wasn't that exciting. It was full of fouls and clinching. I dread the day he is in a close fight tho. The way the judging is going lately, he's going to get a bull shit loss.
While I applaud Maidana's effort, I don't particularly like this tactic of pushing someone against the ropes, sometimes using the head to do so as well, and teeing off with looping shots. With Maidana having the weight advantage, this helped him shove Mayweather against the ropes sometimes. I'm just not sure this is a technique that makes boxing enjoyable. I find it sort of ugly and questionable as a "skill". I mean, this is boxing and not MMA. Cornering on the ropes is fine but not gluing someone to the ropes with your weight. That said, Mayweather needs to take better care then to end up cornered so often.
To be honest I think it's good that a fighter like Maidana did not beat Floyd. Maidana, IMO, would start underdog against pretty much every top welter, junior middle weight out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
It must hard to bite down and suck it up and go in the trenches when you earn a million a month as Mayweather says he does.
I thought Mayweather did not match Maidana's intensity. I dunno with Floyd at times you almost get the impression that he thinks fighting....REAL FIGHTING (Were the bombs are throwing) is beneath him
It's almost like he's been so indoctrinated into his own defensive style, pot shotting, shoulder roll style that's it hard for him to break out of that. Funny thing is I actually think if Mayweather did war with Maidana i reckon he would have stopped him. I believe Mayweather is one of a few fighters that will be able to think clearly even in the hottest of fights.
I though Floyd won, by the way, the quality shots came from him. Not sure if there will a rematch. I reckon Khan deserves it after doing to Collazo what no-one else has done, beating him soundly, and knocking him down three times.
This...Quote:
Originally Posted by onoPretty much this. I had it 9-3 for Mayweather. Maidana did ok. But he also cheated a lot. Headbutts, low blows and at one point he tried to knee Mayweather. Somehow, that translates to Maidana showing effective aggression. In reality, effective aggression still has to allow you to land punched for it to be effective. Nullyfying someone by keeping them on the ropes doesn't win you rounds unless you land cleanly, especially when Mayweather still finds time to land a couple of really clean combos. This happened in probably 10 of the 12 rounds, and in at least 4 or 5 of the rounds, Maidana was visibly outclassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It just wasn't close. It was competitive. I don't particularly want to see a rematch. It wasn't that exciting. It was full of fouls and clinching. I dread the day he is in a close fight tho. The way the judging is going lately, he's going to get a bull shit loss.
Floyd looked like he did back when he first turned WW....fighting off the ropes a lot.
If he uses the ring he's a cowardly safety first pot-shotter.
When he gets down in the trenches and lands combos to the head and body,he then becomes washed-up
In case you can't tell I'm trying to be gracious to Marcos here, of course Floyd won a comfortable decision. I am giving Maidana a bit of credit for roughing Floyd a bit whereas previously thought he'd simply knock Maidana out. I am just dead against ascribing any perceived drop in performance to his age!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
Bieber is a complete faggot. Any young girl who has had an inch of cock up her will tell you he's a faggot, not exactly a "tough guy image" is it lol I can't believe he chills with that little moron!! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Mayweather is far smarter than Calzhage...he does everything better by miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Joe should be mention along with Sven Ottke...not Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd fought like he did when he first turned WW.
He really let his hands go and was exchanging.
Anyone who thinks it was Floyd getting old in there is a jackass.
This is a brand new Chino who was supremely prepared and came in with a fantastic game plan. He fought great defensively: Floyd had more trouble hitting him clean than I remember of any Floyd opponent in a long time. And that wasn't a fluke. Floyd landed at a high %, but most of those landed shots were either partially blocked or Chino was rolling away from.
Chino mixed up his attack and really kept Floyd guessing. Sometimes he'd bullrush, sometimes he'd sit behind a very effective power-jab that was clearly bothering Floyd at times, and sometimes he'd become the boxer/puncher looking to set up a haymaker.
Mayweather had a tough night in there and almost lost the fight. Chino turned the heat up and fought his fight a lot of the rounds. It's very rare to see someone else dictating the pace of a fight against Mayweather.
I should clarify that yeah, Floyd IS getting old and has been getting "old" for the past few years. Floyd is out of his prime and is nowhere near as quick as he once was.
But it's stupid to use that as a reason. This Floyd was no difference than the Floyd who completely whitewashed Canelo last year.
Nah, you're wrong, gotta go to bed now but even though I think this cyclone guy is a bit over the top thinking Maidana did not do well, Mayweather clearly won the fight, there can be no 2 ways about that. It was a competitive fight, that's as far as you can take it man, any further than that hateful.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfMaidana landed over 200 punches against one of the most effective defensive savvy fighters in the world. He outlanded Mayweather in half the rounds. He did effective work on the inside and outside, just as Mayweather did in the rounds he did well in.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
In response to the OP, I think Mayweather prepares hard for every fight, but perhaps expected Maidana to be on the level of Guerrero and be coming at him slow and be countered accordingly. Maybe also with thoughts of Gatti in mind too. However, Mayweather is 37 and at the lighter weights fighters always slip at around this age. Mayweather got Mosley at the right time and in turn Maidana got Mayweather at the right time. I don't think Mayweather has his legs for 3 minutes a round anymore and only became semi-elusive after Maidana had worked so hard in the first half of the fight. I think it is just down to age. Cotto showed glimpses of it and now a few years on I think there is further erosion.
I know that sounds like I am discrediting Maidana, who I think actually won the fight, but I don't think he would have walked through the Mayweather of 2008 so easily. Maidana is awkward and difficult, but Amir Khan showed for the first half of their fight how to evade him. Maidana has probably improved too, but advanced age can only mean deterioration for Mayweather too. The man has a practically white beard, he is aging and auditioning for the role of King Lear.
Mayweather was getting ploughed from the off here. I hate to say it, but I think Khan could also outwork Mayweather. He is just old and I don't think he is Calzaghe smart in knowing when to get out. Maybe he flattens Maidana in the rematch, but he is only going to get older. Sam Peter was never as skilled as James Toney, but younger and bigger will happen to someone who doesn't get out at the right time.
I hate Floyd myself, I think he is scum! But he's the best boxer and he earned the win.. I give credit where it is due!
Maidana does deserves major props.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerIn case you can't tell I'm trying to be gracious to Marcos here, of course Floyd won a comfortable decision. I am giving Maidana a bit of credit for roughing Floyd a bit whereas previously thought he'd simply knock Maidana out. I am just dead against ascribing any perceived drop in performance to his age!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
He did the only thing he could.
Mayweather had to beat him at his own game.
I'm sure the extra weight helped Maidana take those shots..especially to the body.
He was smart to come in heavy.
I was waiting for someone to bring up Floyd's holding.... that's the most I have seen Money hold like that, ever. Floyd NEVER holds....Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyV297He didn't land as much as he should've. Those clubbing overhand punches against the ropes were worthless. What he should've done is stepped back and evened out his shots and focused on the body more against the ropes. That being said, Floud did feel his power and showed it by grasping.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Cyclone, like Ron Swanson, are PAID Mayweather bloggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerNah, you're wrong, gotta go to bed now but even though I think this cyclone guy is a bit over the top thinking Maidana did not do well, Mayweather clearly won the fight, there can be no 2 ways about that. It was a competitive fight, that's as far as you can take it man, any further than that hateful.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfMaidana landed over 200 punches against one of the most effective defensive savvy fighters in the world. He outlanded Mayweather in half the rounds. He did effective work on the inside and outside, just as Mayweather did in the rounds he did well in.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
In response to the OP, I think Mayweather prepares hard for every fight, but perhaps expected Maidana to be on the level of Guerrero and be coming at him slow and be countered accordingly. Maybe also with thoughts of Gatti in mind too. However, Mayweather is 37 and at the lighter weights fighters always slip at around this age. Mayweather got Mosley at the right time and in turn Maidana got Mayweather at the right time. I don't think Mayweather has his legs for 3 minutes a round anymore and only became semi-elusive after Maidana had worked so hard in the first half of the fight. I think it is just down to age. Cotto showed glimpses of it and now a few years on I think there is further erosion.
I know that sounds like I am discrediting Maidana, who I think actually won the fight, but I don't think he would have walked through the Mayweather of 2008 so easily. Maidana is awkward and difficult, but Amir Khan showed for the first half of their fight how to evade him. Maidana has probably improved too, but advanced age can only mean deterioration for Mayweather too. The man has a practically white beard, he is aging and auditioning for the role of King Lear.
Mayweather was getting ploughed from the off here. I hate to say it, but I think Khan could also outwork Mayweather. He is just old and I don't think he is Calzaghe smart in knowing when to get out. Maybe he flattens Maidana in the rematch, but he is only going to get older. Sam Peter was never as skilled as James Toney, but younger and bigger will happen to someone who doesn't get out at the right time.
I hate Floyd myself, I think he is scum! But he's the best boxer and he earned the win.. I give credit where it is due!
I said this before Floyd ducked Khan
Old age...the legs and engine aint there anymore ;-)
Fact... and id be amazed if he ever faces a fast opponent again .
Maidana is mentally tough. He did excatly what he needed to do to trouble floyd. Unlike that idiot ginger Canelo, he didn't try to outbox Floyd. Maidana made Floyd look old.
Get the hell outta here with that nonsense. If Khan is so fast why did he hold the ENTIRE fight against Collazo. Old Legs?! If anything, Floyd showed tremendous conditioning to go up against an all out pressure fighter, stay calm, and win. You haters crack me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
As much as alvarez look good against other fighters, he learn against floyd that there is another level he hasn't worked hard enough to reach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I agree old age signs have been showing with mayweather since mosley, but his outside style and lack of brain hits is prolonging his game.
Honest question but I assume you won't answer it which in turn will answer the question. Not trying to get into some pathetic e-beef just want to know the answer. Are you intentionally FOS or do you honestly believe what you just said?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaCyclone, like Ron Swanson, are PAID Mayweather bloggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerNah, you're wrong, gotta go to bed now but even though I think this cyclone guy is a bit over the top thinking Maidana did not do well, Mayweather clearly won the fight, there can be no 2 ways about that. It was a competitive fight, that's as far as you can take it man, any further than that hateful.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfMaidana landed over 200 punches against one of the most effective defensive savvy fighters in the world. He outlanded Mayweather in half the rounds. He did effective work on the inside and outside, just as Mayweather did in the rounds he did well in.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneWhat did Maidana actually accomplish besides pushing Floyd against the ropes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
He got beat on the inside and the outside.
In response to the OP, I think Mayweather prepares hard for every fight, but perhaps expected Maidana to be on the level of Guerrero and be coming at him slow and be countered accordingly. Maybe also with thoughts of Gatti in mind too. However, Mayweather is 37 and at the lighter weights fighters always slip at around this age. Mayweather got Mosley at the right time and in turn Maidana got Mayweather at the right time. I don't think Mayweather has his legs for 3 minutes a round anymore and only became semi-elusive after Maidana had worked so hard in the first half of the fight. I think it is just down to age. Cotto showed glimpses of it and now a few years on I think there is further erosion.
I know that sounds like I am discrediting Maidana, who I think actually won the fight, but I don't think he would have walked through the Mayweather of 2008 so easily. Maidana is awkward and difficult, but Amir Khan showed for the first half of their fight how to evade him. Maidana has probably improved too, but advanced age can only mean deterioration for Mayweather too. The man has a practically white beard, he is aging and auditioning for the role of King Lear.
Mayweather was getting ploughed from the off here. I hate to say it, but I think Khan could also outwork Mayweather. He is just old and I don't think he is Calzaghe smart in knowing when to get out. Maybe he flattens Maidana in the rematch, but he is only going to get older. Sam Peter was never as skilled as James Toney, but younger and bigger will happen to someone who doesn't get out at the right time.
I hate Floyd myself, I think he is scum! But he's the best boxer and he earned the win.. I give credit where it is due!
I seen all 3 fight. And Calzaghe is not on the level of Floyd Mayweather or Sven Ottke. It's disrespectful to Ottke to compare him to CalzagheQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneMayweather is far smarter than Calzhage...he does everything better by miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Joe should be mention along with Sven Ottke...not Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd fought like he did when he first turned WW.
He really let his hands go and was exchanging.