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Lara/Alvarez scorecards thread
Having now watched the fight properly I have reached the following conclusions. My first observation is that Levi Martinez should be immediately arrested. 117-111 is an insane scorecard and apparently he reached that scorecard having given Lara the 12th, which if Lara did win that round, it was by far his least convincing won round. Levi Martinez, you really didn't see at least a number of rounds where Lara did actually outbox Canelo? You have a lot to answer for once you start to comedown from that Oscar powder kick you were on. Looking at the punchstats too, I think Canelo outlanded Lara in only 3 of the 12 rounds. Now admittedly, there were a lot of close rounds, but how on earth can you score 117-111 in a fight where the man you favour landed more in only 3 rounds? The man was clearly not awake and must be banned from all future fights. And so should Delahoya as I hate him and his orange faced creepiness. Overall I had Lara winning and the immediate avoidance of a rematch is a shameful move considering that Canelo lost the fight.
That's enough complaining. This is a scorecards thread, so please submit your scorecards and be as rude about promoters, Judges and fighters as you like. The following is my scorecard. It is a work of art, I know. You may agree, disagree, or ignore as you like. Thank you.
1. Lara
2. Lara
3. Lara
4. Canelo
5. Canelo
6. Canelo
7. Canelo
8. Lara
9. Lara
10. Lara
11. Lara
12. Canelo
Overall: 115-113 Lara
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Gandalf
Having now watched the fight properly I have reached the following conclusions. My first observation is that Levi Martinez should be immediately arrested. 117-111 is an insane scorecard and apparently he reached that scorecard having given Lara the 12th, which if Lara did win that round, it was by far his least convincing won round. Levi Martinez, you really didn't see at least a number of rounds where Lara did actually outbox Canelo? You have a lot to answer for once you start to comedown from that Oscar powder kick you were on. Looking at the punchstats too, I think Canelo outlanded Lara in only 3 of the 12 rounds. Now admittedly, there were a lot of close rounds, but how on earth can you score 117-111 in a fight where the man you favour landed more in only 3 rounds? The man was clearly not awake and must be banned from all future fights. And so should Delahoya as I hate him and his orange faced creepiness. Overall I had Lara winning and the immediate avoidance of a rematch is a shameful move considering that Canelo lost the fight.
That's enough complaining. This is a scorecards thread, so please submit your scorecards and be as rude about promoters, Judges and fighters as you like. The following is my scorecard. It is a work of art, I know. You may agree, disagree, or ignore as you like. Thank you.
1. Lara
2. Lara
3. Lara
4. Canelo
5. Canelo
6. Canelo
7. Canelo
8. Lara
9. Lara
10. Lara
11. Lara
12. Canelo
Overall: 115-113 Lara
You have a fine scorecard there Miles.
I actually thought Lara won the 11th n 12 the but I have Canelo the 9th or 10th I can't recall which.
Rest of your rounds match mine.
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Re: Lara/Alvarez scorecards thread
The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
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115-113 for Canelo. Very close fight. I can see how others scored a draw or close win for Lara
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Nothing funky at all about the decision, yeah you can say lara outlanded canelo in the majority of the rounds by like 2 punches, majority of lara's punches were jabs, canelo's were powerpunches and when they are only of by a few punches I tend to favor the guy landing powershots, don't put to much stock in em but here they are
Canelo-Lara - Compubox
Also media was split on who won 34 canelo, 30 lara, 25 had it a draw per @fightscorecolletor 's work www.boxingnewsonline.net/opinion-split-in-boxing-media-on-who-won-the-saul-canelo-alvarez-erislandy-lara-showdown/. Seriously that was a perfectly good decision and I had it a bit wider than most for canelo and as I said previously was not at all invested in the fight. Also I think lara forgets that he himself got an actualy shitty decision go his way against molina...
Also nobody seemingly seems to agree on which round belonged to which fighter with the exception of first few, hence you end up with a 117-111 score. The scores seem to have ranged from 117-113/116-112 Canelo to 116-112 Lara.
I had it 8-4 Canelo, giving lara 1 3 10 11
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I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
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Gandalf
I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
Depending on what you favor this is one of those fights where you can have it a lil wide for either fighter hence you have the four or 5 round range in the media scores, plenty of shit decisions and suspicious looking scores in boxing this is not one of them me thinks. Don't know what happened in the buildup as I didnt follow it at all but seems like Lara talked a lot of shit about Canelo so yeah If i was Canelo I wouldn't give him the chance at a rematch or big payday right away either. Half the people Do not believe he lost! Out of 84 scores thirty thought he lost which is much closer to a third than half!
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If you are going to paint it as you did it is just as easy to say only a third scored it for Canelo. Either way it was a close fight and ultimately 30% approval is a telling sign that you didn't win the fight too. That is why rematches happen. To settle it. Fighters say things before any fight and that is no justification for avoiding a rematch. On the basis of being unable to win, then Canelo too doesn't deserve a payday and moreso considering that the card that ultimately decided it was scored on the moon. People want to make excuses without facing up to simple facts. Canelo was outlanded, for long stretches couldn't fight his fight, and then wants to walk away from a rematch because his opponent needs to 'learn to fight?' Canelo is a bit like Chavez Jnr. It all gets given too easily and too many excuses are made. Take your rematch and win the fight. Even Mayweather rematches close fights immediately.
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Gandalf
I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
Depending on what you favor this is one of those fights where you can have it a lil wide for either fighter hence you have the four or 5 round range in the media scores, plenty of shit decisions and suspicious looking scores in boxing this is not one of them me thinks. Don't know what happened in the buildup as I didnt follow it at all but seems like Lara talked a lot of shit about Canelo so yeah If i was Canelo I wouldn't give him the chance at a rematch or big payday right away either. Half the people Do not believe he lost! Out of 84 scores thirty thought he lost which is much closer to a third than half!
1)anyone that thinks it could be wide should stop scoring fights
2)30 of 84 doesn't account for those that thought it was a draw. How many had Canelo winning?
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Gandalf
If you are going to paint it as you did it is just as easy to say only a third scored it for Canelo. Either way it was a close fight and ultimately 30% approval is a telling sign that you didn't win the fight. Fighters say things before any fight and that is no justification for avoiding a rematch. On the basis of being unable to win, then Canelo too doesn't deserve a payday and moreso considering that the card that ultimately decided it was scored on the moon. People want to make excuses without facing up to simple facts. Canelo was outlanded, for long stretches couldn't fight his fight, and then wants to walk away from a rematch because his opponent needs to 'learn to fight?' Canelo is a bit like Chavez Jnr. It all gets given too easily and too many excuses are made. Take your rematch and win the fight. Even Mayweather rematches close fights immediately.
Where was this magical world where Canelo was outlanded for LONG stretches at a time , outlanded by 1 or 2 jabs a round a 10 punches total in fight isnt shit to me, if the punches are that close and one lands a significantly larger amount of power shots I'll tend to go with the guy landing the power shots. A third thought Canelo won, a third a draw, a third Lara hence no robbery or controvery in my mind even, I didnt paint it a certain way its MATH! I simply don't think there is any controversy in the result and not really invested in either fighter. also do you really want to see that fight again???
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armin
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Gandalf
I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
Depending on what you favor this is one of those fights where you can have it a lil wide for either fighter hence you have the four or 5 round range in the media scores, plenty of shit decisions and suspicious looking scores in boxing this is not one of them me thinks. Don't know what happened in the buildup as I didnt follow it at all but seems like Lara talked a lot of shit about Canelo so yeah If i was Canelo I wouldn't give him the chance at a rematch or big payday right away either. Half the people Do not believe he lost! Out of 84 scores thirty thought he lost which is much closer to a third than half!
1)anyone that thinks it could be wide should stop scoring fights
2)30 of 84 doesn't account for those that thought it was a draw. How many had Canelo winning?
I had the number in my original post 34 had canelo, 30 lara the rest draw like 25
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Ron Swanson
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armin
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
Depending on what you favor this is one of those fights where you can have it a lil wide for either fighter hence you have the four or 5 round range in the media scores, plenty of shit decisions and suspicious looking scores in boxing this is not one of them me thinks. Don't know what happened in the buildup as I didnt follow it at all but seems like Lara talked a lot of shit about Canelo so yeah If i was Canelo I wouldn't give him the chance at a rematch or big payday right away either. Half the people Do not believe he lost! Out of 84 scores thirty thought he lost which is much closer to a third than half!
1)anyone that thinks it could be wide should stop scoring fights
2)30 of 84 doesn't account for those that thought it was a draw. How many had Canelo winning?
Easily possible to have it somewhat wide, I'm not talking 120 -108 but 116-112 , I can't find the link to the scorecard but there were two rounds the guys who had it 115-113 disagreed on, flip em and you have a four round margin.
Click the links provided at least about 10 people that had it 116-112 either way
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Gandalf
If you are going to paint it as you did it is just as easy to say only a third scored it for Canelo. Either way it was a close fight and ultimately 30% approval is a telling sign that you didn't win the fight. Fighters say things before any fight and that is no justification for avoiding a rematch. On the basis of being unable to win, then Canelo too doesn't deserve a payday and moreso considering that the card that ultimately decided it was scored on the moon. People want to make excuses without facing up to simple facts. Canelo was outlanded, for long stretches couldn't fight his fight, and then wants to walk away from a rematch because his opponent needs to 'learn to fight?' Canelo is a bit like Chavez Jnr. It all gets given too easily and too many excuses are made. Take your rematch and win the fight. Even Mayweather rematches close fights immediately.
Where was this magical world where Canelo was outlanded for LONG stretches at a time , outlanded by 1 or 2 jabs a round a 10 punches total in fight isnt shit to me, if the punches are that close and one lands a significantly larger amount of power shots I'll tend to go with the guy landing the power shots. A third thought Canelo won, a third a draw, a third Lara hence no robbery or controvery in my mind even, I didnt paint it a certain way its MATH! I simply don't think there is any controversy in the result and not really invested in either fighter. also do you really want to see that fight again???
Canelo outlanded Lara in 3 rounds only. He clearly controlled very little except for that middle period where he did appear to be doing better. Overall Lara controlled the pace of the fight and clearly outlanded Alvarez thus scoring rounds. Using your math, you have a close fight with many thinking it a draw. When a fight is neck and neck it is correct to have a another one to see if the fighters can draw some distance or settle it. Using prefight disrespect as a justification for avoiding a rematch in a neck and neck fight is simply not a very good observation. It is a distraction.
It wasn't a terribly exciting fight, but I don't think Mayweather fights are either. Still, at least that man gives rematches after his close fights. Martinez/Williams.....rematch! Taylor/Hopkins....rematch! It's about doing the right thing.
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To be honest i felt Canelo landing the more powerful shots out way a few more jabs landing. I don't think it is controlling the ring when you run to other side of it to be honest. So if 35 thought Canelo won 30 thought Lara won and 25 thought it was a draw then i am ok with no rematch. I mean do people want to see another fight like that is there any money at all in it will people bother buying ppv again i think not. Canelo has fought and beat some good names and has ducked no one i do not think he is JCC jr at all. The kid is like 23 or 24 years of age and already fought some pretty tough comp and has done well. I can not grasp the hate he gets when most were saying he would not fight lara so much for that right. I not really interested in another fight were there were fucking no dominated rounds would like see Cotto vs Canelo at least get my money worth out of watching them fight.
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I give up and am removing myself from this thread didnt realize that landing ten jabs more overall in a fight is better than being outlanded in powershots by like 25 or whatever it was.
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Gandalf
The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again
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Gandalf
The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again
True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.
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Gandalf
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again
True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.
Lara said he was gonna take Canelo to school. Landing 10 lousy jabs more and running away for 2.5 minutes of each round isn't a boxing lesson.
The person who got schooled was Lara. He learned that you have to actually try to fight to win a fight.
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Had to go back and copy my other post
I had the fight 116-112 for Canelo. Lara was retreating the WHOLE fight, not once did he come forward. I was very dissapointed in Lara because this probably the worst I have seen him fight and it just happened to be on the biggest stage of his career. He fought as though this was the amateurs or the Olympics it was a terrible effort. As far as everyone saying oh he out landed Canelo it was by 10 punches 107 to 97(which basically means 9 punches a rd for lara and 8 punches a rd for Canelo) and Canelo landed the harder shots with an 88 to 52 advantage in power shots. Anyone who understands boxing knows that there is a BIG difference in throwing a punch stepping back as opposed to throwing a punch stepping forward. Lara was retreating the whole fight and on the defensive, Canelo was coming forward the whole fight and was on the attack, and in a fight where there is not much action to score most judges will score the rd or fight for the Aggressor which was Canelo.
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Lara 1,3,10,11,12
Canelo 2,4,5,6,7,8,9
I saw rounds 6,11&12 pretty close. Any of them could have gone either way depending on the judge's view from ringside and their scoring preferences.
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ruthless rocco
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Gandalf
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Violent Demise
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Gandalf
The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again
True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.
Lara said he was gonna take Canelo to school. Landing 10 lousy jabs more and running away for 2.5 minutes of each round isn't a boxing lesson.
The person who got schooled was Lara. He learned that you have to actually try to fight to win a fight.
How was Lara schooled? In your next post you gave him 5 rounds, then added that round 6 was close so arguably he won half the rounds based on your own evaluation. You are smarter than to call that a schooling.
Doesn't every fighter say that they are going to school, KO, brutalise, the opponent etc. If a fighter says they are going to score a KO is it their obligation to score a KO? Are we that simple? It's boxing, it's prefight talk, every fight has it.
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Gandalf
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ruthless rocco
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Gandalf
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Violent Demise
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Gandalf
The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again
True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.
Lara said he was gonna take Canelo to school. Landing 10 lousy jabs more and running away for 2.5 minutes of each round isn't a boxing lesson.
The person who got schooled was Lara. He learned that you have to actually try to fight to win a fight.
How was Lara schooled? In your next post you gave him 5 rounds, then added that round 6 was close so arguably he won half the rounds based on your own evaluation. You are smarter than to call that a schooling.
Doesn't every fighter say that they are going to school, KO, brutalise, the opponent etc. If a fighter says they are going to score a KO is it their obligation to score a KO? Are we that simple? It's boxing, it's prefight talk, every fight has it.
He was schooled by the politics of boxing. HAHAHA! He was shown that you have to fight to win fights when you're up against the hottest rising star who loves to brawl.
Had Lara stood his ground for 30 more seconds each round and thrown 2 more sets of combinations per round I guarantee he would have won. He would have connected with probably 40 or 50 more punches. He wouldn't have looked like a chicken shit. He probably would have slowed Canelo down too.
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For me half the fight contained close rounds where I could imagine people scoring it either way. In a fight like that youre gona get weird cards from time to time.
In my head during a fight I always count 'clean' rounds and 'close' rounds to allow for what the score discrepancies could be when I hear the judges cards. Clean meaning 1 guy won the round and I have no doubt. Close as in I could see a scenario in which a judge could go either way. In this fight I only saw 6 'clean' rounds and 4 of them were won by Canelo (2 Lara and 6 close).
So if you gave ALL 6 close rounds to Canelo then you can actually get 118-110, likewise you could have it 116-112 Lara. There really were a lot of close rounds due to the extremely low punches landed.
FWIW I actually had Lara winning 115-113 as I happened to score 5 of the 6 'close' rounds to him. But I can see how a 117-111 Canelo card can happen.
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Gandalf
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Gandalf
The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again
True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.
Yeah I get you. But keep in mind. It was Lara who crashed Alvarez's post conference asking for the fight. It was Lara who said the fight was personal and he had no respect for Alvarez. It was Lara who said he would dominate and stop Alvarez. Yet it was Lara who spent most of the fight retreating, avoiding exchanges. A fighter runs his mouth that much in what he considers the biggest fight of his career you would think he would do more
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I had Lara winning 7 rounds to 5
