Hearn Aims To Get Froch-Chavez Talks Back on Track - Boxing News
Can't say I'm interested in this fight at all...Degale is more deserving!
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Hearn Aims To Get Froch-Chavez Talks Back on Track - Boxing News
Can't say I'm interested in this fight at all...Degale is more deserving!
I'm interested, it will be an all action fight with Jr almost certainly getting beat up down the stretch, couldn't be a bad watch.
Of course DeGale is way more dangerous, but Froch would make more money fighting JR so it's a no brainer for him. Since he wants to fight in Vegas it's about the only guy he could sell a fight with there to boot, unfortunately.
to be fair, Froch has earnt the right to do what he wants, but I couldn't really give a fuck.
what baffles me is if Froch has to give up his title to fight Chavez , how is the fight gonna be worth any money? It's already pretty clear that Froch isn't that highly rated in the US, otherwise they would be begging him to fight guys over there.
I believe Froch when he says he can't get motivated for Degale, but I do think he rates himself and his "Legacy" way too high. it's a pretty shit division if someone like Chavez (who was found out at the rate below and only moved up because he can't dedicate himself enough.) can be seen as a top contender. Furthermore, the guy who EVERYBODY agrees is the best in the division is basically semi-retired.
Froch will fight Kessler in a meaningless "Masters" Circus type of fight which will be akin to Rocky 6!
btw, Kessler used to be my favourite fighter, but he's pissed me off as well lately, virtually begging Froch and Ward for a fight when he's not been in a ring for 18 months , and the last fight he had , he looked finished.
would froch make more from JR?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
wouldnt degale froch sell a big stadium and a lot of ay per view over here?
They charge you guys quite a bit less a pop for PPVs, which still brings in a lot more than the gate even with that many in attendance. Was Froch's first fight with Groves PPV, and any idea how many it sold if so?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44would froch make more from JR?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
wouldnt degale froch sell a big stadium and a lot of ay per view over here?
For example, Chavez Jr-Martinez did about exactly half the buys Froch-Groves 2 did, which still equals close to the same PPV revenue. There is no way fighting DeGale would be anywhere near as big as the Groves rematch, right?
Froch has two titles.
If he's not big in the US then how come every fighter from middle to Light Heavy call him out all the time? Of course he's not a "superstar" over there but that's because his main audience lies in Britain. At the moment, he's the money at supermiddle.
I'd prefer to see him face Chavez jr.
I'm not that interested in the DeGale fight. Let DeGale fight for the vacant title and establish his own legacy, set up a big rematch with Groves, Callum Smith etc
I agree about Degale, but everybody isn't calling him out. GGG never did, that's fabricated by the Media (Mainly British) Ward never called him out, he clearly said "either call me or stop using my name!" That leaves Chavez and BHop. Yeah, they'd fight him , 1.because they're money whores 2. Because they think he's easy work, and 3. Because they see Froch make £8mill plus for a domestic dust up and would like a bit of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
However, most importantly, the promoters aren't talking these fights up because they know the figures for Froch in the States can't compare because nobody is remotely interested in him.
Also , Hearn wants it in England otherwise he makes next to nothing.
All this means he takes a big drop in money and goes to Vegas, or he fights against Kessler and takes a slightly less drop in money in a meaningless fight.
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Originally Posted by p4pkingThey charge you guys quite a bit less a pop for PPVs, which still brings in a lot more than the gate even with that many in attendance. Was Froch's first fight with Groves PPV, and any idea how many it sold if so?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44would froch make more from JR?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
wouldnt degale froch sell a big stadium and a lot of ay per view over here?
For example, Chavez Jr-Martinez did about exactly half the buys Froch-Groves 2 did, which still equals close to the same PPV revenue. There is no way fighting DeGale would be anywhere near as big as the Groves rematch, right?
im not sure actually
i know some on here are saying they arent interested in froch degale, i am tho, i always thought a froch degale fight would be more interesting than froch groves
Hearn Could See Froch-Chavez, DeGale-Ramirez Double - Boxing News
its looking like Froch - Chavez and then Degale will fight Ramirez for the vacant title. Then the winners fight at Wembley.
i like itQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Chavez Jr is the hell of a lazy fellow and of a slacker. I think that he mainly achieved glory by a long long career of riding his father's name and of show cleverly orchestrated by Top Rank to attract mAssively mexican/hispanic fans but in the end, his own ethics will break him from being a really meaningful boxer and beating all the names he should be fighting.
HBO had a whole segment on Froch during GGG's last fight, quoting him to make it look like he was ducking him, then defending him and explaining why Froch is the "money" at the moment. Why would they be linking GGG-FRoch if they didn't think it was a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree about Degale, but everybody isn't calling him out. GGG never did, that's fabricated by the Media (Mainly British) Ward never called him out, he clearly said "either call me or stop using my name!" That leaves Chavez and BHop. Yeah, they'd fight him , 1.because they're money whores 2. Because they think he's easy work, and 3. Because they see Froch make £8mill plus for a domestic dust up and would like a bit of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
However, most importantly, the promoters aren't talking these fights up because they know the figures for Froch in the States can't compare because nobody is remotely interested in him.
Also , Hearn wants it in England otherwise he makes next to nothing.
All this means he takes a big drop in money and goes to Vegas, or he fights against Kessler and takes a slightly less drop in money in a meaningless fight.
Chavez jr is having a contract dispute with Bob Arum, that's why he hasn't been fighting. It's a lack of American based opponents for Froch not a lack of interest in him.
Name a current fighter not named Floyd, Manny or Wlad that has been close to a £8 million payday?
the funny thing is that this is so blatantly obvious, yet many people dont see it. it seems that there are a lot of people that still try to defend chavez as if he really is a top contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
i dont mind this fight for froch's sake since he has earned being able to fight in vegas. its a perfect fight for him. he gets to fight in vegas and make good money by fighting a big name who isnt very good. he will look impressive because of that.
I really like this fight in Vegas. It's huge. I favor Froch big time in a way, but Junior has a world class chin. I can't recall when's even been buzzed before, let alone knocked own or out. Of course, that could be due in part to his competition. Strangely, he'll be the bigger man than Froch on fight night. I think it's a fun, interesting fight. I'm all for it.
If Froch wins, I must say I like the idea of GGG against Froch in the UK. In terms of legacy, I don't really see the need for Froch to have another strong domestic win against the likes of Groves/DeGale. If Ward is still out of the game, Froch against GGG might be the best at 160 against the best at 168.
HBO had a whole segment on Froch during GGG's last fight, quoting him to make it look like he was ducking him, then defending him and explaining why Froch is the "money" at the moment. Why would they be linking GGG-FRoch if they didn't think it was a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHBO had a whole segment on Froch during GGG's last fight, quoting him to make it look like he was ducking him, then defending him and explaining why Froch is the "money" at the moment. Why would they be linking GGG-FRoch if they didn't think it was a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree about Degale, but everybody isn't calling him out. GGG never did, that's fabricated by the Media (Mainly British) Ward never called him out, he clearly said "either call me or stop using my name!" That leaves Chavez and BHop. Yeah, they'd fight him , 1.because they're money whores 2. Because they think he's easy work, and 3. Because they see Froch make £8mill plus for a domestic dust up and would like a bit of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
However, most importantly, the promoters aren't talking these fights up because they know the figures for Froch in the States can't compare because nobody is remotely interested in him.
Also , Hearn wants it in England otherwise he makes next to nothing.
All this means he takes a big drop in money and goes to Vegas, or he fights against Kessler and takes a slightly less drop in money in a meaningless fight.
Chavez jr is having a contract dispute with Bob Arum, that's why he hasn't been fighting. It's a lack of American based opponents for Froch not a lack of interest in him.
Name a current fighter not named Floyd, Manny or Wlad that has been close to a £8 million payday ?
Because the media (HBO in this case ) are trying to make it into a big deal . All I've ever heard Golovkin say is that he wants to clean up the MW division, the problem is no-one will fight him. He's 5 foot 9 inches tall, giving away Height , Reach and Weight and trying to carry his power up to a naturally much bigger guy with a granite chin. If I was Froch, I reckon I would fancy that as well. What the fuck would be the point in that fight?
Chavez jr is having a contract dispute with Bob Arum, that's why he hasn't been fighting. It's a lack of American based opponents for Froch not a lack of interest in him.
And I don't believe this dispute is resolved yet, so until it is , what's the point of even talking about it. the only reason it was even discussed, was to see if Froch and Hearns would bring silly money to the table which would satisfy Arum And Chavez. My belief is the deal hasn't been done because that money doesn't exist in Vegas for that fight, otherwise it would've been done.
Name a current fighter not named Floyd, Manny or Wlad that has been close to a £8 million payday
This is exactly my point! Carl Froch is not an £8 million fighter, Whereas the fighters you mentioned would earn that no matter who they fought, the main reason he made that money in the 2nd fight was because of GROVES, not some legion of Froch Lovers.
Circumstances were perfect! in the 1st fight, Groves was Honest/Brash/Cocky/Arrogant, call it what you like, but because he backed up every single thing he said in the ring, and because in most people's eyes a.) he battered Froch and b.) he was unjustly deprived of his moment, the rematch was an absolute no-brainer! All Hearn had to do is make Froch an offer he couldn't refuse, and this was made easier because under IBF rules the Champion was entitled to 85% of the Purse. All these occurrences will never happen again, and the problem is that Froch will never earn anywhere that money again so it's naturally hard to motivate yourself. here's some examples of what he'd probably earn for certain fights.
Chavez in Vegas - £2 Million tops (don't forget that's $3.5 million)
Degale - £3 million Because he gets the Lions share as above (Froch-Groves 2) .
Kessler - £1 - £1.5 Million. this is because he will have give up his Title.
Golovkin in the US - £3 Million ($5 Million) because Golovkin is becoming big news in the States.
Ward - No money, Contract issues for Ward, and Froch wouldn't wanna get embarrassed again. no chance.
And to prove my point that Froch is not an £8 Million fighter, the most he earned before Groves was about £1.5 Million in the Kessler rematch, and that's because a.) it was in the UK and b.) he was avenging a defeat. and c.) at the time, Kessler was still seen as big news. before that , he was earning £400 - 500k per fight. I can understand totally Froch needing something to motivate him, but unfortunately he's gonna have to get his head round the fact that he'll never get a purse like that again no matter what. ?[/QUOTE]
Me too, I want to see it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i like itQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Froch is chasing the money fighting the cash cow that is Junior. A waste of his time but good for his wallet.
Froch will do everything other than fight De Gale.
[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHBO had a whole segment on Froch during GGG's last fight, quoting him to make it look like he was ducking him, then defending him and explaining why Froch is the "money" at the moment. Why would they be linking GGG-FRoch if they didn't think it was a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHBO had a whole segment on Froch during GGG's last fight, quoting him to make it look like he was ducking him, then defending him and explaining why Froch is the "money" at the moment. Why would they be linking GGG-FRoch if they didn't think it was a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree about Degale, but everybody isn't calling him out. GGG never did, that's fabricated by the Media (Mainly British) Ward never called him out, he clearly said "either call me or stop using my name!" That leaves Chavez and BHop. Yeah, they'd fight him , 1.because they're money whores 2. Because they think he's easy work, and 3. Because they see Froch make £8mill plus for a domestic dust up and would like a bit of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
However, most importantly, the promoters aren't talking these fights up because they know the figures for Froch in the States can't compare because nobody is remotely interested in him.
Also , Hearn wants it in England otherwise he makes next to nothing.
All this means he takes a big drop in money and goes to Vegas, or he fights against Kessler and takes a slightly less drop in money in a meaningless fight.
Chavez jr is having a contract dispute with Bob Arum, that's why he hasn't been fighting. It's a lack of American based opponents for Froch not a lack of interest in him.
Name a current fighter not named Floyd, Manny or Wlad that has been close to a £8 million payday ?
Because the media (HBO in this case ) are trying to make it into a big deal . All I've ever heard Golovkin say is that he wants to clean up the MW division, the problem is no-one will fight him. He's 5 foot 9 inches tall, giving away Height , Reach and Weight and trying to carry his power up to a naturally much bigger guy with a granite chin. If I was Froch, I reckon I would fancy that as well. What the fuck would be the point in that fight?
Chavez jr is having a contract dispute with Bob Arum, that's why he hasn't been fighting. It's a lack of American based opponents for Froch not a lack of interest in him.
And I don't believe this dispute is resolved yet, so until it is , what's the point of even talking about it. the only reason it was even discussed, was to see if Froch and Hearns would bring silly money to the table which would satisfy Arum And Chavez. My belief is the deal hasn't been done because that money doesn't exist in Vegas for that fight, otherwise it would've been done.
Name a current fighter not named Floyd, Manny or Wlad that has been close to a £8 million payday
This is exactly my point! Carl Froch is not an £8 million fighter, Whereas the fighters you mentioned would earn that no matter who they fought, the main reason he made that money in the 2nd fight was because of GROVES, not some legion of Froch Lovers.
Circumstances were perfect! in the 1st fight, Groves was Honest/Brash/Cocky/Arrogant, call it what you like, but because he backed up every single thing he said in the ring, and because in most people's eyes a.) he battered Froch and b.) he was unjustly deprived of his moment, the rematch was an absolute no-brainer! All Hearn had to do is make Froch an offer he couldn't refuse, and this was made easier because under IBF rules the Champion was entitled to 85% of the Purse. All these occurrences will never happen again, and the problem is that Froch will never earn anywhere that money again so it's naturally hard to motivate yourself. here's some examples of what he'd probably earn for certain fights.
Chavez in Vegas - £2 Million tops (don't forget that's $3.5 million)
Degale - £3 million Because he gets the Lions share as above (Froch-Groves 2) .
Kessler - £1 - £1.5 Million. this is because he will have give up his Title.
Golovkin in the US - £3 Million ($5 Million) because Golovkin is becoming big news in the States.
Ward - No money, Contract issues for Ward, and Froch wouldn't wanna get embarrassed again. no chance.
And to prove my point that Froch is not an £8 Million fighter, the most he earned before Groves was about £1.5 Million in the Kessler rematch, and that's because a.) it was in the UK and b.) he was avenging a defeat. and c.) at the time, Kessler was still seen as big news. before that , he was earning £400 - 500k per fight. I can understand totally Froch needing something to motivate him, but unfortunately he's gonna have to get his head round the fact that he'll never get a purse like that again no matter what. ?
I don't know about the whole $8MM per fight claim, but the bottom line is that Junior is the biggest fight for Froch right now. On paper, he's the best in terms of risk/reward. He's the biggest in terms of name value here at least here in the states. Only hardcore fans know who DeGale is here. I have a hard time believing that a DeGale fight would pay Froch more money than a Junior fight if the fight is on PPV. Junior sells out big stadiums and has been on a successful PPV before where he was the A-side. The Mexican fan base would be rabid for a fight between Junior and Froch. They'd sell out a stadium in Texas or Vegas.
Groves beat DeGale and DeGale hasn't avenged that loss. I'm not sure what a DeGale win does for Froch. I can understand why he wouldn't want to risk his legacy for it.
Why would he fight DeGale? DeGale lost to a guy Froch beat and he hasn't notched any great wins otherwise. He doesn't even have a belt to unify with. I don't see DeGale as some monstrous challenge. He's good and has looked the part against the level of competition he's faced so far, but he doesn't have any great wins. I would pick Froch as a pretty big favorite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
If you're looking at true challenges for Froch against someone he hasn't already faced, it's really just GGG.
I don't know about the whole $8MM per fight claim, but the bottom line is that Junior is the biggest fight for Froch right now. On paper, he's the best in terms of risk/reward. He's the biggest in terms of name value here at least here in the states. Only hardcore fans know who DeGale is here. I have a hard time believing that a DeGale fight would pay Froch more money than a Junior fight if the fight is on PPV. Junior sells out big stadiums and has been on a successful PPV before where he was the A-side. The Mexican fan base would be rabid for a fight between Junior and Froch. They'd sell out a stadium in Texas or Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHBO had a whole segment on Froch during GGG's last fight, quoting him to make it look like he was ducking him, then defending him and explaining why Froch is the "money" at the moment. Why would they be linking GGG-FRoch if they didn't think it was a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHBO had a whole segment on Froch during GGG's last fight, quoting him to make it look like he was ducking him, then defending him and explaining why Froch is the "money" at the moment. Why would they be linking GGG-FRoch if they didn't think it was a big deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI agree about Degale, but everybody isn't calling him out. GGG never did, that's fabricated by the Media (Mainly British) Ward never called him out, he clearly said "either call me or stop using my name!" That leaves Chavez and BHop. Yeah, they'd fight him , 1.because they're money whores 2. Because they think he's easy work, and 3. Because they see Froch make £8mill plus for a domestic dust up and would like a bit of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
However, most importantly, the promoters aren't talking these fights up because they know the figures for Froch in the States can't compare because nobody is remotely interested in him.
Also , Hearn wants it in England otherwise he makes next to nothing.
All this means he takes a big drop in money and goes to Vegas, or he fights against Kessler and takes a slightly less drop in money in a meaningless fight.
Chavez jr is having a contract dispute with Bob Arum, that's why he hasn't been fighting. It's a lack of American based opponents for Froch not a lack of interest in him.
Name a current fighter not named Floyd, Manny or Wlad that has been close to a £8 million payday ?
Because the media (HBO in this case ) are trying to make it into a big deal . All I've ever heard Golovkin say is that he wants to clean up the MW division, the problem is no-one will fight him. He's 5 foot 9 inches tall, giving away Height , Reach and Weight and trying to carry his power up to a naturally much bigger guy with a granite chin. If I was Froch, I reckon I would fancy that as well. What the fuck would be the point in that fight?
Chavez jr is having a contract dispute with Bob Arum, that's why he hasn't been fighting. It's a lack of American based opponents for Froch not a lack of interest in him.
And I don't believe this dispute is resolved yet, so until it is , what's the point of even talking about it. the only reason it was even discussed, was to see if Froch and Hearns would bring silly money to the table which would satisfy Arum And Chavez. My belief is the deal hasn't been done because that money doesn't exist in Vegas for that fight, otherwise it would've been done.
Name a current fighter not named Floyd, Manny or Wlad that has been close to a £8 million payday
This is exactly my point! Carl Froch is not an £8 million fighter, Whereas the fighters you mentioned would earn that no matter who they fought, the main reason he made that money in the 2nd fight was because of GROVES, not some legion of Froch Lovers.
Circumstances were perfect! in the 1st fight, Groves was Honest/Brash/Cocky/Arrogant, call it what you like, but because he backed up every single thing he said in the ring, and because in most people's eyes a.) he battered Froch and b.) he was unjustly deprived of his moment, the rematch was an absolute no-brainer! All Hearn had to do is make Froch an offer he couldn't refuse, and this was made easier because under IBF rules the Champion was entitled to 85% of the Purse. All these occurrences will never happen again, and the problem is that Froch will never earn anywhere that money again so it's naturally hard to motivate yourself. here's some examples of what he'd probably earn for certain fights.
Chavez in Vegas - £2 Million tops (don't forget that's $3.5 million)
Degale - £3 million Because he gets the Lions share as above (Froch-Groves 2) .
Kessler - £1 - £1.5 Million. this is because he will have give up his Title.
Golovkin in the US - £3 Million ($5 Million) because Golovkin is becoming big news in the States.
Ward - No money, Contract issues for Ward, and Froch wouldn't wanna get embarrassed again. no chance.
And to prove my point that Froch is not an £8 Million fighter, the most he earned before Groves was about £1.5 Million in the Kessler rematch, and that's because a.) it was in the UK and b.) he was avenging a defeat. and c.) at the time, Kessler was still seen as big news. before that , he was earning £400 - 500k per fight. I can understand totally Froch needing something to motivate him, but unfortunately he's gonna have to get his head round the fact that he'll never get a purse like that again no matter what. ?
Groves beat DeGale and DeGale hasn't avenged that loss. I'm not sure what a DeGale win does for Froch. I can understand why he wouldn't want to risk his legacy for it.[/QUOTE]
The reason there's more money for the Degale and Groves fights is because he gets 75-85% of the purse! whereas Chavez wouldn't have that, Chavez would probably want a 50-50 split. But I do think Froch means it when he says Chavez or nothing.
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Originally Posted by erics44would froch make more from JR?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
wouldnt degale froch sell a big stadium and a lot of ay per view over here?